IG Instinct vs V1 Classic vs Becker Pro

[TennisMaverick]

I am not sure more dwell = more spin? Most Pros that use super stiff racquets hit with TONS of spin (think Rafa).

And they swing much faster than you will ever be able to do. Stand behind a nat ranked 14 year old and see how fast their swing speeds are, and they don't miss. Softer frames with longer dwell, is how spin used to be made. Mac used to string his sticks between 45-48 with gut.

And 69 stiffness rating? Total BS! It is softer, and Volkl rates it softer.

 

[JackB1]

Hit some more with the V1 the past few days. Not sure yet what I think about it. One day I play well with it...the next day I struggle to keep balls from going long. The frame does have lots of positives though. Very easy to hit deep rally balls all day long with easy effort level. When I struggle is when I try to play aggressive and add pace to the shot and they sail a little. Might just be some adjustment time needed to get used to this frame better? The frame is very easy to use and serves pretty nice too. Its great for just trying to be consistent and making less errors than your opponents. I am just not sure if its good for playing aggressive and trying to hit hard winners with? It seems a little harder to get topspin with this frame compared to my Instinct. I haven't tried it in actual competition yet. Maybe this week?

 

[TennisMaverick]

One day I play well with it...the next day I struggle to keep balls from going long.

There's like zero power in this frame. I can't even conceive or imagine how your balls fly.

 

[Al1978]

Maybe your swing isn't grooved to the V1 yet, and you're opening the racquet face a bit at impact.

 

[JackB1]

There's like zero power in this frame. I can't even conceive or imagine how your balls fly.

Do a search here for V1 classic and there are countless posts about the frames power. Also if you look at RSS power map it is rated 40% in the middle. That's high. Its a stiff frame with a thick beam. That doesn't equate with low
power.

 

[dParis]

Do a search here for V1 classic and there are countless posts about the frames power. Also if you look at RSS power map it is rated 40% in the middle. That's high. Its a stiff frame with a thick beam. That doesn't equate with low
power.

Yeah, I have no idea where the thought the V1 has no power comes from, but I do think that your IGI is more powerful.

 

[TennisMaverick]

Do a search here for V1 classic and there are countless posts about the frames power. Also if you look at RSS power map it is rated 40% in the middle. That's high. Its a stiff frame with a thick beam. That doesn't equate with low
power.

Volkl has added power and/or crispness to each subsequent iteration--Quantum V1, Cat V1, DNX V1, BB V1, PB V1, Sportster, and upcoming XV1. What does that tell you? The classic is a great frame, which is why it is still produced. But if trampolining is the issue, it's not the racquet, certainly not with the Classic's dwell time. And anyone can post any chart they wish; it's Volkl's stats which are the standard, where stringing and player testing matches the frames intrinsic qualities. Volkl rates it less stiff than what you read at online retailer sites....and RSS power map....please. How about taking into account stringing, string types, swing patterns, swing speed, multiple body segments, grips, grip strength, timing, etc., all of which affect contact with the racquet face? This is why the tech geeks in R&D and the biotech PhDs never get what the players are talking about; the numbers don't speak to what the players are feeling, nor what the players are capable of, up and above the lab rats they test. Relativity is everything on the tennis court, by definition--making your opponent as uncomfortable as possible and limiting his/her ability to perform well on-contact, is something that a lab test can't define.

 

[JackB1]

Volkl has added power and/or crispness to each subsequent iteration--Quantum V1, Cat V1, DNX V1, BB V1, PB V1, Sportster, and upcoming XV1. What does that tell you? The classic is a great frame, which is why it is still produced. But if trampolining is the issue, it's not the racquet, certainly not with the Classic's dwell time. And anyone can post any chart they wish; it's Volkl's stats which are the standard, where stringing and player testing matches the frames intrinsic qualities. Volkl rates it less stiff than what you read at online retailer sites....and RSS power map....please. How about taking into account stringing, string types, swing patterns, swing speed, multiple body segments, grips, grip strength, timing, etc., all of which affect contact with the racquet face? This is why the tech geeks in R&D and the biotech PhDs never get what the players are talking about; the numbers don't speak to what the players are feeling, nor what the players are capable of, up and above the lab rats they test. Relativity is everything on the tennis court, by definition--making your opponent as uncomfortable as possible and limiting his/her ability to perform well on-contact, is something that a lab test can't define.

It's not a "trampolining" issue. But your comment of "there's zero power in this frame" was just untrue. But it's more of a trajectory issue and me getting used to the dwell time compared to my Instinct. I hit again with it late yesterday and it faired much better this time. I stopped overswinging since I was rallying with a friend to get him warmed up for his match and the frame performed just fine. The certainly is a good amount of free power with the V1, but it's not unmanageable. I just need to dial it in some more and get more used to it. I agree that there are a bunch of things that also contribute to a frames inherent power, but the frame itself is also a big component. You can't ignore that.

 

[JackB1]

Yeah, I have no idea where the thought the V1 has no power comes from, but I do think that your IGI is more powerful.

You know Mav...it's always everything else but the frame...especially when it's got "Volkl" written on it

Actually, on TW's power map they are almost identical

http://twu.tennis-warehouse.com/cgi-bin/storepower2.cgi?racquetA=CV1SVR|102|Volkl|V1:Classic|RCVOLKL|&racquetB=HTIGI|100|Head|Youtek:IG:Instinct|RCHEAD|x&racquetC=none&racquetD=none

In playing them both side by side, they are so close in power level, I couldn't actually tell which one was more, but they are close for sure. They are both strung similarly too, so I know it's not a string issue. I do like the power level
in both racquets, but intitally it felt easier to "swing out" with the Instinct and keep the ball in, but like I said earlier, it might just take a little more adjusting to the frame, the Volkl grip and the balance of it. The V1 is weighted much more in the head and is close to even balance and that has an impact as well. The V1 has a lot of plow and solidity for a 11 oz. frame.
I could easily use it stock and it won't feel too light or flimsy at all.

 

[JackB1]

Anyone who doubts the V1's power, read this thread.
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=349628&referrerid=59371

Some quotes and these are all by different people. I agree with the 3rd one that says the power can be tames with the right string and tension.
Right now I have it strung with Xcel mains and VPro crosses at mid tension. I wanted to see how this setup played at mid tension and go from there.
I don't think the power is too much by any means, but to ignore the facts is just crazy...

"Unsuitable for players who take a big cut at the ball.....simply too much power for this type of use."

"The V1 from my memory was a very powerful frame for my game and I had some difficulty with control (but I take a big swing)"

"It is true that the V1C is a powerful frame but I don't feel it's that difficult to control. I feel the power can be adequately tamed with the right string and tension."

"The V1 can be fine for people who take big swings (unless of course they take wild big swings, in which case no racquet would be very suitable). obviously someone who really and actually needs a low powered racquet should buy a low powered racquet..this isnt one of them."

"Yes, it's a powerful racquet, but if you have the technique you can place the ball anywhere. The ones I got came in at 10.2, but I've customized them to 11. - Kana, TW -"

"I found this stick to be just that. Also, contrary to what someone else said.........you don't want to be taking big swipes with this racquet. Too powerful and light and control goes out the window unless you have a compact stroke or have big topspin game."

"The V1 is easy to use and very comfortable. With some spin, which is very easy to generate with the racquet, the power is plenty controllable. Stability is addicting. It's different from PD and the likes but similar in a way that its power and spin is part of the reason the game is made easier."

 

[Pneumated1]

. . . "Yes, it's a powerful racquet, but if you have the technique you can place the ball anywhere. The ones I got came in at 10.2, but I've customized them to 11. - Kana, TW -" . . . .

"The V1 is easy to use and very comfortable. With some spin, which is very easy to generate with the racquet, the power is plenty controllable. Stability is addicting. It's different from PD and the likes but similar in a way that its power and spin is part of the reason the game is made easier."

Isn't controllable power what any player's after? Why belabor the point, Jack? Here's the pattern that I see, and I hope this helps: When you hit a "softer" dwell frame, whether nano or traditional, you don't seem to control the ball as well. When you make the jump to a stiffer, quicker-response frame, you seem at home. The bottom line is that some people need dwell and pocketing for control, and some need a quick response for control. The variable is the person and swing type (and all of its complexities).

Imo, you're probably demoing the wrong V1. You should give the DNX or PB-V1 a go. I would say the PB-V1, as it also has DNX.

 

[JackB1]

Isn't controllable power what any player's after? Why belabor the point, Jack? Here's the pattern that I see, and I hope this helps: When you hit a "softer" dwell frame, whether nano or traditional, you don't seem to control the ball as well. When you make the jump to a stiffer, quicker-response frame, you seem at home. The bottom line is that some people need dwell and pocketing for control, and some need a quick response for control. The variable is the person and swing type (and all of its complexities).

Imo, you're probably demoing the wrong V1. You should give the DNX or PB-V1 a go. I would say the PB-V1, as it also has DNX.

I will try out the PB-V1 as soon as I can get my hands on one. I am not going to pay $189 for a new one

I hear what you are saying regarding the dwell vs. stiffer, but I think that's just something that you can adjust to...just takes a little while and I am already starting to dial in the V1 Classic a lot more. The wide Volkl grip may also be having an impact and causing me to have my racquet more open at impact. The Volkl shape seems a bit harder for semi-western forehands. But it's easier for serves and volleys. I don't think the V1 Classic's dwell time is really that pronounced. It's also nothing like the London...not even close. There isn't that "catch and release" feeling and the V1C measured a 69 on the RDC machine and that isnt a "flexy" racquet. It "feels" softer than 69 for sure, but I don't put it in the same category as the London, where we are just talking dwell time.

I will eventually try out the PB V1 and then we'll see if you are right
The V1's are definitely great racquets and they seems to fit my style and level quite well.
I really like the Classic's paint job much more than the PB's but we'll see!

 

[YesTennis]

Pneumonated1- Wondering if you could explain something in your recent post#61. What type of player or swing type benefits most from a softer dwell time frame, as opposed to which type of player/swing type benefits most from a stiffer/quick response frame

 

[JackB1]

Pneumonated1- Wondering if you could explain something in your recent post#61. What type of player or swing type benefits most from a softer dwell time frame, as opposed to which type of player/swing type benefits most from a stiffer/quick response frame

^^^ I would like to know the answer to this as well.

The ball is only on the stringbed for a thousandth of a second, so I can't imagine that extra microsecond of dwell time could make a difference in the actual shot. But....I think there is a large difference in "feel" and that might translate to a difference in the actual shot. I think the only way to know for sure is to experiment with both and see which yields better results.

 

[RyKnocks]

Pneumonated1- Wondering if you could explain something in your recent post#61. What type of player or swing type benefits most from a softer dwell time frame, as opposed to which type of player/swing type benefits most from a stiffer/quick response frame

I think dwell time translates to feel which then dictates the type of swing you produce. A player will swing the racquet based on the feel and what they need out of the shot.

 

[TennisMaverick]

I will repeat: "Volkl has added power and/or crispness to each subsequent iteration--Quantum V1, Cat V1, DNX V1, BB V1, PB V1, Sportster, and upcoming XV1. What does that tell you?"

It tells you that it isn't a powerful frame. Lab tests to do not include on-court performance, and those outcomes will be totally different. They are unrelated, and it is far more than a common frame of reference difference, although, that is a huge factor as well.

Volkl makes adjustment for each follow-up iteration to correct for errors or to respond to the consumer. They don't just intro a new tech; they fix things. Said consumer, is WORLD WIDE, and far larger than a handful of online posters and reviews which are totally subjective--as they are compared to the reviewer's personal stick, vs the specific intrinsic qualities of the stick being tested--not objective.

 

[TennisMaverick]

Pneumonated1- Wondering if you could explain something in your recent post#61. What type of player or swing type benefits most from a softer dwell time frame, as opposed to which type of player/swing type benefits most from a stiffer/quick response frame

The faster your swing, the crisper/quicker your string bed should be. If the stick has a long dwell time like the V1, PB 10 Mid, or London, just string it tighter. The you can quit complaining about ball launch rates. If the racquet is powerful, with a crisp string bed and you need more feedback to your hand, string it looser with deader string, or swing faster.

 

[TennisMaverick]

I will try out the PB-V1 as soon as I can get my hands on one. I am not going to pay $189 for a new one

I hear what you are saying regarding the dwell vs. stiffer, but I think that's just something that you can adjust to...just takes a little while and I am already starting to dial in the V1 Classic a lot more. The wide Volkl grip may also be having an impact and causing me to have my racquet more open at impact. The Volkl shape seems a bit harder for semi-western forehands. But it's easier for serves and volleys. I don't think the V1 Classic's dwell time is really that pronounced. It's also nothing like the London...not even close. There isn't that "catch and release" feeling and the V1C measured a 69 on the RDC machine and that isnt a "flexy" racquet. It "feels" softer than 69 for sure, but I don't put it in the same category as the London, where we are just talking dwell time.

I will eventually try out the PB V1 and then we'll see if you are right
The V1's are definitely great racquets and they seems to fit my style and level quite well.
I really like the Classic's paint job much more than the PB's but we'll see!

The V1's grip is rounder than the regular Volkl pallet, and they are not interchangeable. The V1 was originally designed for a more traditional swing, hence, a rounder grip. The V1 is the "arm saver", specifically because of its huge sweet spot and dwell time due to the Big Grommet tech. There is no stick in the line which can compare to the Classic V1's dwell. It's like putting a mute in a trumpet. It's unparalleled even against Volkl competitors.

 

[JackB1]

I will repeat: "Volkl has added power and/or crispness to each subsequent iteration--Quantum V1, Cat V1, DNX V1, BB V1, PB V1, Sportster, and upcoming XV1. What does that tell you?"

It tells you that it isn't a powerful frame. Lab tests to do not include on-court performance, and those outcomes will be totally different. They are unrelated, and it is far more than a common frame of reference difference, although, that is a huge factor as well.

Volkl makes adjustment for each follow-up iteration to correct for errors or to respond to the consumer. They don't just intro a new tech; they fix things. Said consumer, is WORLD WIDE, and far larger than a handful of online posters and reviews which are totally subjective--as they are compared to the reviewer's personal stick, vs the specific intrinsic qualities of the stick being tested--not objective.

You can repeat it all you want. Doesn't make it true. EVERY single racquet manufacturer out there claims that every subsequent model has "increased power, spin or sweetspot" than the prior one. Because "Volky" says it, it MUST BE TRUE!!! lol... If am going by "on court performance" only, the V1 Classic is about the same power level as my IG Instinct. Is that "powerful"? Depends on your definition. For me it is. For you it isn't. For many who have posted here...it is. For TW's playtesters, it is. For the USRSA Power rankings, it is. For TW's Power maps, it is. Only thing that really matters is whether or not it fits the individual's power "requirements". For me, it does.

 

[JackB1]

The V1's grip is rounder than the regular Volkl pallet, and they are not interchangeable. The V1 was originally designed for a more traditional swing, hence, a rounder grip. The V1 is the "arm saver", specifically because of its huge sweet spot and dwell time due to the Big Grommet tech. There is no stick in the line which can compare to the Classic V1's dwell. It's like putting a mute in a trumpet. It's unparalleled even against Volkl competitors.

Wrong again oh great knowledgeable one
I changed the pallet on my V1 Classic from the stock 3/8 to a current
1/2 pallet I pulled off an Organix 8 and it fit perfectly.

And if the stock grip IS rounder...it's barely noticeable. It's certainly not round or more square like the Dunlop, Wilson or Prince grips or the Volkyl Attiva grips.

The dwell time is nice, but you don't get that "catch and release" feeling like you do with the London, PB10 mid or even the Prince Rebel. It is much stiffer and thicker beam than those other frames I mentioned, so you can't get the same "feel to the hand". It feels crisper off the stringbed than those other racquets too and that was with Xcel mains/copoly crosses. With full multi or nat gut, I would imagine it would be more pronounced.

OK now here's what I DO agree with you on: The Sweetspot IS indeed HUGE.
If you desire, you can stand on the other side and knock everything back that your opponent throws at you. Get the racquet on the ball..it's coming back

Mav, I am curious...when honestly was the last time you actually hit with a V1 Classic? I did yesterday.

 

[TennisMaverick]

You can repeat it all you want. Doesn't make it true. EVERY single racquet manufacturer out there claims that every subsequent model has "increased power, spin or sweetspot" than the prior one. Because "Volky" says it, it MUST BE TRUE!!! lol... If am going by "on court performance" only, the V1 Classic is about the same power level as my IG Instinct. Is that "powerful"? Depends on your definition. For me it is. For you it isn't. For many who have posted here...it is. For TW's playtesters, it is. For the USRSA Power rankings, it is. For TW's Power maps, it is. Only thing that really matters is whether or not it fits the individual's power "requirements". For me, it does.

Of course what I said is a fact, jack! The feedback from worldwide consumers is far greater than that of those who exist on TW. I'm done trying to help you. Keep launching balls with a zero powered frame. PERIOD.

 

[TennisMaverick]

Wrong again oh great knowledgeable one
I changed the pallet on my V1 Classic from the stock 3/8 to a current
1/2 pallet I pulled off an Organix 8 and it fit perfectly.

And if the stock grip IS rounder...it's barely noticeable. It's certainly not round or more square like the Dunlop, Wilson or Prince grips or the Volkyl Attiva grips.

The dwell time is nice, but you don't get that "catch and release" feeling like you do with the London, PB10 mid or even the Prince Rebel. It is much stiffer and thicker beam than those other frames I mentioned, so you can't get the same "feel to the hand". It feels crisper off the stringbed than those other racquets too and that was with Xcel mains/copoly crosses. With full multi or nat gut, I would imagine it would be more pronounced.

OK now here's what I DO agree with you on: The Sweetspot IS indeed HUGE.
If you desire, you can stand on the other side and knock everything back that your opponent throws at you. Get the racquet on the ball..it's coming back

Mav, I am curious...when honestly was the last time you actually hit with a V1 Classic? I did yesterday.

Dude...an X8 pallet, is not a regular Volkl pallet. It's an X-regular pallet. Depending on which Classic V1 you have, determines which pallet. The current pallet is a Volkl regular pallet; the older ones don't. The DNX/PB V1 uses the C-pallet.

I used the Classic V1 for 3 years, depending on my rotator cuff, on-and-off with my regular stick, for the first three years after my last tear. That says a lot, compared to your few days and any reviewer's few days, especially when levels of play are considered, as I was still traveling with ranked male and female players back then, and there was a necessity to play.

 

[JackB1]

Of course what I said is a fact, jack! The feedback from worldwide consumers is far greater than that of those who exist on TW. I'm done trying to help you. Keep launching balls with a zero powered frame. PERIOD.

If you state something that I find totally untrue, I am entitled to give my opposing view. I am not going to just take what you or anyone else on this forum says as the undisputed truth. You don't seem to like it when someone challenges your statements, but this is a "discussion board", not your classroom.

Find me ONE other person that thinks the V1 Classic is a "zero powered frame".

The actual Volkyl website shows the power level of the V1 between the X4 and X6.
http://vb-tennis.com/cms/front_content.php?idcat=34

It rates the V1 power at level 4-6 which according to Volkyl is a "powerful racquet".
Do you believe the info coming straight from Volkyl or is that also untrue?

 

[TennisMaverick]

If you state something that I find totally untrue, I am entitled to give my opposing view. I am not going to just take what you or anyone else on this forum says as the undisputed truth.

And that is why you won't bust out of intermediate tennis. You don't listen, even when people are trying to help you. So....let's make it real easy for ya....quit changing racquets every time you get an itch and make the adjustment to hit the ball in the frakking court so that you don't need a new icon.

 

[JackB1]

And that is why you won't bust out of intermediate tennis. You don't listen, even when people are trying to help you. So....let's make it real easy for ya....quit changing racquets every time you get an itch and make the adjustment to hit the ball in the frakking court so that you don't need a new icon.

Please don't tell me how to enjoy my hobby. My goal is to be competitive at my level and have fun at the same time and right now I am accomplishing both. I started 3 years ago at 3.0 and have improved my record and rating each consecutive season. I do listen to people who know how to communicate and are trying to help me with my tennis. You sir, are not my judge and jury.

 

[TennisMaverick]

Please don't tell me how to enjoy my hobby. My goal is to be competitive at my level and have fun at the same time and right now I am accomplishing both. I started 3 years ago at 3.0 and have improved my record and rating each consecutive season. I do listen to people who know how to communicate and are trying to help me with my tennis. You sir, are not my judge and jury.

As I said, I'm done trying to help you.

 

[hrstrat57]

Picking a frame or at least a family of frames (ex I have a bunch of Head 18/20 MP frames that all play pretty similarly) will help the serious player develop consistency IMHO.

The Volkl V1 Classic is a brilliant frame.....a tweener that can take a 3.0 higher all the way up to an elite level.....sound like a pair of those could end the OP's quest quickly.

 

[JackB1]

As I said, I'm done trying to help you.

I am not here soley for your help. The forum doesn't revolve around only you. It's a GROUP discussion. If you want to participate that's great. If you want to help me or anyone else here, then just do it because you want to and you enjoy it. Not because you want to dictate to people your views without any interest in their responses. That's not a discussion. That's a seminar. So say what else you like and let's move on please.

 

[TennisMaverick]

I am not here soley for your help. The forum doesn't revolve around only you. It's a GROUP discussion. If you want to participate that's great. If you want to help me or anyone else here, then just do it because you want to and you enjoy it. Not because you want to dictate to people your views without any interest in their responses. That's not a discussion. That's a seminar. So say what else you like and let's move on please.

Be defensive if you like. I tried to help...A LOT. I can't be blamed if you don't get it. Can't help those who won't help themselves. And seminar? Seriously? Just tidbits, Jack.

 

[Hominator]

How does the V1 compare with the X6? They seem to be similar, on paper. The X6 is a surprisingly good frame. IIRC, it's built from the same mold as the X8.

 

[JackB1]

How does the V1 compare with the X6? They seem to be similar, on paper. The X6 is a surprisingly good frame. IIRC, it's built from the same mold as the X8.

Volkyl actually rates the X6 as more "advanced" or more for "control" that they do the V1, but I think either one would be good for 3.5 level. I have been wanting to try the X6 but I can't find a used one yet and the area shops don't have any demos of it. They have the X8 and the X4 but no X6. But I really want to try the X6. I might have to send away for a demo. The X6 gets very little talk around here. It must be distributed very well yet to stores.

 

[JackB1]

Be defensive if you like. I tried to help...A LOT. I can't be blamed if you don't get it. Can't help those who won't help themselves. And seminar? Seriously? Just tidbits, Jack.

I appreciate yours or anyone else's help. But not if it comes with a price or an attitude. This is a place for free expression and personal opinions. It's not your own soapbox or classroom. Forum members here have told you this countless times and you just dismiss them all as "stalkers". If you say something to me that doesn't make sense, I'm not just going to accept it just because it came out of your mouth. I wouldn't expect anyone to treat what I say any differently. The core of the problem is that you don't see yourself as equal to everyone else here and that's what causes all the friction.

 

[TennisMaverick]

I appreciate yours or anyone else's help. But not if it comes with a price or an attitude. This is a place for free expression and person opinions. It's not your personal soapbox or classroom. Forum members here have told you this countless times and you just dismiss them all as "stalkers". If you say something to me that makes no sense, I'm not just going to accept it just because it came out of your mouth. I wouldn't expect anyone to treat what I say any differently. The core of the problem is that you don't see yourself as equal to everyone else here and that's what causes all the friction.

I tried.....

 

[Pneumated1]

The core of the problem is that you don't see yourself as equal to everyone else here and that's what causes all the friction.

A very, very strong argument could be made that he's not even close to an equal as everyone else on these boards when it comes to tennis experience and knowledge---don't you think?

I guess this is a tone and presentation style issue again, but I can't think of any situation or circumstance where equality and democracy can be demanded as a novice in communication with and in the presence of expertise. I mean you can certainly insist upon it, and have the right to, in this country anyway, but it still doesn't get you any closer to your end goal: knowledge and understanding of the subject or topic. You could argue that a discussion board levels the "playing field" and that all opinions are equal, but is that how the world works at any level? I say no.

Let's just get along before they start zapping threads again and people go into ignore mode and such.

 

[JackB1]

A very, very strong argument could be made that he's not even close to an equal as everyone else on these boards when it comes to tennis experience and knowledge---don't you think?

So what do you suggest? We all treat each other around here based on each of our own levels of expertise? So since I have now been playing for around 3 years and have researched racquets and strings to the point where my local Pro asks ME for advice, does that give me the right to be rude or arrogant and belittle a novice who posts a question about string tension in his 115" beginner's racquet? Of course not!

My CFO who I work under at my day job certainly has more expertise and knowledge than I do on certain work related matters, but he always speaks to me on the same level and never acts like he knows all and is never wrong.
Because he acts this way, all his employees under him like him, respect him and are more than willing to work hard for him. What you are doing Pneum is trying to justify Maverick's actions and in doing this you are just reinforcing his attitude. You are granting him allowance to talk down to us lowly rec players and you are just happy that he speaks to you. I try to give Maverick some slack in that regard, since he does share a lot of knowledge, but I still don't agree with your stance which in effect is playing the doormat role. There has to be a happy medium somewhere...that's all I ask from the "great one". His attitude has been much better since he returned from his "hiatis", but he still needs to come down a few steps from his throne way up high.

 

[Pneumated1]

So what do you suggest? We all treat each other around here based on each of our own levels of expertise? So since I have now been playing for around 3 years and have researched racquets and strings to the point where my local Pro asks ME for advice, does that give me the right to be rude or arrogant and belittle a novice who posts a question about string tension in his 115" beginner's racquet? Of course not!

My CFO who I work under at my day job certainly has more expertise and knowledge than I do on certain work related matters, but he always speaks to me on the same level and never acts like he knows all and is never wrong.
Because he acts this way, all his employees under him like him, respect him and are more than willing to work hard for him. What you are doing Pneum is trying to justify Maverick's actions and in doing this you are just reinforcing his attitude. You are granting him allowance to talk down to us lowly rec players and you are just happy that he speaks to you. I try to give Maverick some slack in that regard, since he does share a lot of knowledge, but I still don't agree with your stance which in effect is playing the doormat role. There has to be a happy medium somewhere...that's all I ask from the "great one". His attitude has been much better since he returned from his "hiatis", but he still needs to come down a few steps from his throne way up high.

Obviously, I don't suggest that we belittle and berate novices. Have you ever seen me doing that? No.

And I'm not trying to justify anyone's actions, and I'm definitely not a doormat. In fact, my wife often comments negatively on my "anti-authority" disposition. I almost didn't send you my previous post, as I thought you may take it the wrong way, and I fear that you did. The interesting thing to me is that now, although possibly unintentionally, you're making assumptions and accusations about my character that you can't really verify (belittler of innocent, justifier of wrongs, doormat, etc.), as we really don't know one another apart from this computer screen. But that's okay; I can take it; trust me.

I just recommend that if you cannot tolerate Maverick's tone and presentation, try to find the kernel and discard the husk. I'm folding!

 

[JackB1]

Obviously, I don't suggest that we belittle and berate novices. Have you ever seen me doing that? No.

And I'm not trying to justify anyone's actions, and I'm definitely not a doormat. In fact, my wife often comments negatively on my "anti-authority" disposition. I almost didn't send you my previous post, as I thought you may take it the wrong way, and I fear that you did. The interesting thing to me is that now, although possibly unintentionally, you're making assumptions and accusations about my character that you can't really verify (belittler of innocent, justifier of wrongs, doormat, etc.), as we really don't know one another apart from this computer screen. But that's okay; I can take it; trust me.

I just recommend that if you cannot tolerate Maverick's tone and presentation, try to find the kernel and discard the husk. I'm folding!

I didn't say that YOU would berate or belittle anyone! That's my point. You WOULDN'T and nobody else does, so why is it OK that he does? My point was that his "expertise" does not give him more leway towards unacceptable behavior and you seem to think it does. Perhaps "doormat" wasn't the correct term, but I have never seen you criticise him and you seem to allow him to say anything he wants. I am not really assuming anything about your character and this really wasn't about you at all, until you decided to interject your "expertise" argument. I don't agree is all. Nothing personal.
If I misunderstood your statement, I appologize. I will go back to as your say "trying to find the kernel", which has been increasingly more difficult lately.

 

[Hominator]

The X6 is very well balanced. Anyone who found the X8 a bit head heavy might want to check it out. It's incredibly stable for its static weight.

 

[JackB1]

The X6 is very well balanced. Anyone who found the X8 a bit head heavy might want to check it out. It's incredibly stable for its static weight.

I found the X8-300 head heavy, but have not yet tried the X8-315, but they are both over my head anyway. It took me awhile, but I am done trying to wield anything designed for more advanced players, which is why I am looking hard at the V1 Classic. The X6 is definitely something I want to check out, but there are so few of them around.

 

[JackB1]

The X6 is very well balanced. Anyone who found the X8 a bit head heavy might want to check it out. It's incredibly stable for its static weight.

OK Homi, you twisted my arm. Demo ordered.

 

[Hominator]

I assume that you've been playing with your girl's stick? Do you prefer it with or without the dampener, and why?

I messed around with it the other day. I put a Sampras O dampener in there for her. Even though the frame is light overall, it played more like an 11.4 ounce stick, maybe because of the balance.

It's not for me, but I can see how it could be very popular. I bet the reason why more people don't use it is because it's a 6. Most people would like to think that they're a better player than a "6."

 

[TennisMaverick]

I messed around with it the other day. I put a Sampras O dampener in there for her. Even though the frame is light overall, it played more like an 11.4 ounce stick, maybe because of the balance.

It's not for me, but I can see how it could be very popular. I bet the reason why more people don't use it is because it's a 6. Most people would like to think that they're a better player than a "6."

I reviewed that stick way back in September 2010, somewhere like page 10 on the X Club thread, and stated that it was the standout upgrade. It's actually surprising what it can do stock. My daughter is using, whenever I can get her off the couch or out of the gym.

 

[Hominator]

I reviewed that stick way back in September 2010, somewhere like page 10 on the X Club thread, and stated that it was the standout upgrade. It's actually surprising what it can do stock. My daughter is using, whenever I can get her off the couch or out of the gym.

It's a shame that some will see it as a chick stick - it's really not anymore. How does it compare to the V1?

 

[TennisMaverick]

It's a shame that some will see it as a chick stick - it's really not anymore. How does it compare to the V1?

The X6 hits with more spin than any of the V1s, and it is more precise. It was designed for juniors, women, and men who need lighter frames. A 4.0 may be able to get some use out of it, but the frame is crisp and requires solid mechanics for a more competitive player. If you watch Tennis Channel, someone like Danielle Dotzenrod, a total ditzy klutz MAW who didn't know which end of the racquet to hold a year ago, and became a 4.0 in that short time, would be able to start to use a frame like the X6.

 

[Hominator]

The X6 hits with more spin than any of the V1s, and it is more precise. It was designed for juniors, women, and men who need lighter frames. A 4.0 may be able to get some use out of it, but the frame is crisp and requires solid mechanics for a more competitive player. If you watch Tennis Channel, someone like Danielle Dotzenrod, who didn't know which end of the racquet to hold a year ago and became a 4.0 in that time, would be able to start to use a frame like the X6.

It would also seem like it is a good frame for those who like to customize weight and balance - kind of like a pro-stock framne of sorts. I think anyone who liked the X8s, but didn't like the balance, should check it out.

 

[JackB1]

I messed around with it the other day. I put a Sampras O dampener in there for her. Even though the frame is light overall, it played more like an 11.4 ounce stick, maybe because of the balance.

It's not for me, but I can see how it could be very popular. I bet the reason why more people don't use it is because it's a 6. Most people would like to think that they're a better player than a "6."

I agree and it's the reason I have been taking a hard look at the V1 Classic. If you look at Volkyl's "IQ" ratings...the Organix 6 is still a little past the middle of the spectrum towards the player's racquets. The V1 Classic is right smack in the middle. I would say anything above the X4 is good for 3.5-4.5 players. I ordered a demo of the X6 and am looking forward to checking it out. My "player's stick" days are over. I am getting tired of losing to guys with 105" thick beamned racquets. Why fight em when I can join em?
I am thinking even my IG Instinct may be too advanced for me, even though it doesn't feel that way while playing with it. Why not pick the right tool for the job? A 3.5 should use a stick designed for such level player. We are too often tricked into using racquets we see the Pro's or higher level players use, because we try them out and think..."This isn't so hard to play with...plus it makes me look like I can really play". I think the tennis shops are also to blame, because they stock more of the well know "Pro Model" sticks then they do the "tweeners".

Note: Just to update my original post....I am still playtesting the Classic and tried and just didn't jive with the DC Pro, but ALL the Delta Core racquets are excellent...just wasn't for me. It is now in the F/S section at a dirt cheap price if anyone's interested and it's virtually new. I am continuing to debate the V1 Classic vs. my IG Instinct and have a Organix 6 demo on the way. Even though I really like the Instinct, I think it may still be a "player's racquet" and not ideal for a 3.5 rec player like myself. The V1 Classic or Organix 6 are specifically designed for my level of play and I can't help but to think will assist me along my path to 4.0

 

[JackB1]

The X6 hits with more spin than any of the V1s, and it is more precise. It was designed for juniors, women, and men who need lighter frames. A 4.0 may be able to get some use out of it, but the frame is crisp and requires solid mechanics for a more competitive player. If you watch Tennis Channel, someone like Danielle Dotzenrod, a total ditzy klutz MAW who didn't know which end of the racquet to hold a year ago, and became a 4.0 in that short time, would be able to start to use a frame like the X6.

I'll show Danielle which end to hold I LOVE Danielle! I watch her "Fit To Hit" show and often have to rewind several times because I wasn't paying attention to what she was saying Just gorgeous.

When you say "the frame is crisp..." do you mean a stronger player above 4.0 level would need more control? Since the frame is designed for mid level rec players or juniors/women, most players at that level do not have "solid mechanics" yet, so are you saying the X6 requires better technique than a typical 3.5 would have?

BTW, what the heck is a "MAW"?

 

[Hominator]

I'll show Danielle which end to hold I LOVE Danielle! I watch her "Fit To Hit" show and often have to rewind several times because I wasn't paying attention to what she was saying Just gorgeous.

When you say "the frame is crisp..." do you mean a stronger player above 4.0 level would need more control? Since the frame is designed for mid level rec players or juniors/women, most players at that level do not have "solid mechanics" yet, so are you saying the X6 requires better technique than a typical 3.5 would have?

BTW, what the heck is a "MAW"?

I think he was referring to 5.0 + players who might try the X6. With a frame that light, if you don't hit the ball cleanly, it'll likely be pushed around against 5.0 + hitters. That's what I took from that, at least.

Shouldn't be a problem up to 4.0, IMO.

 

[Hominator]

I'll show Danielle which end to hold I LOVE Danielle! I watch her "Fit To Hit" show and often have to rewind several times because I wasn't paying attention to what she was saying Just gorgeous.

When you say "the frame is crisp..." do you mean a stronger player above 4.0 level would need more control? Since the frame is designed for mid level rec players or juniors/women, most players at that level do not have "solid mechanics" yet, so are you saying the X6 requires better technique than a typical 3.5 would have?

BTW, what the heck is a "MAW"?

I think MAW is Middle Aged Woman.

 

[JackB1]

I think he was referring to 5.0 + players who might try the X6. With a frame that light, if you don't hit the ball cleanly, it'll likely be pushed around against 5.0 + hitters. That's what I took from that, at least.

Shouldn't be a problem up to 4.0, IMO.

That makes sense.

Looking forward to trying the demo. I think it's supposed to come by Fri so I should have a good report after the weekend.