IG Instinct vs V1 Classic vs Becker Pro
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JackB1
G.O.A.T.
I find the Instinct has to be swung pretty fast to hit a heavy ball. It doesn't have as much plow as I would like. Thats where the DC Pro does a better job.
achokshi99
Rookie
I got the DC Pro after demoing the BB London (larger head one), X8 315, Youtek Radical OS and Pro, and the DC Pro. Went with the DC Pro. My former stick was a roddick pdgt but it along w/polys was murdering my arm.
The DC Pro is similar, lets me do the same stuff, very aggressive baseline, heavy serving like the roddick pdgt but is much much easier on my elbow. I do agree with a previous poster that the DCP seems like a "club" but I love that aspect of it, and even mentioned the same word in a discussion on tennis elbow.
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=399215
Also Tennis Mav suggested 0.5 grams at 2/4/8/10 because one issue with the DCP stock is that to me it did not seem as stable, maybe torsional issues (which i found the roddick pdgt had as well for me). That recommendation made the racquet unreal. I was nursing some TE going itno a tourny and just said forget it, went w/a poly set up w/the DCP modded w/the lead tape and it was a monster. W/o even me asking, the guy I played just commented about how much heavier the balls were coming from my end. For me Tennis Mav's recommendation on LT positioning was really huge, it really took the DCP to another level.
The DC Pro is similar, lets me do the same stuff, very aggressive baseline, heavy serving like the roddick pdgt but is much much easier on my elbow. I do agree with a previous poster that the DCP seems like a "club" but I love that aspect of it, and even mentioned the same word in a discussion on tennis elbow.
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=399215
Also Tennis Mav suggested 0.5 grams at 2/4/8/10 because one issue with the DCP stock is that to me it did not seem as stable, maybe torsional issues (which i found the roddick pdgt had as well for me). That recommendation made the racquet unreal. I was nursing some TE going itno a tourny and just said forget it, went w/a poly set up w/the DCP modded w/the lead tape and it was a monster. W/o even me asking, the guy I played just commented about how much heavier the balls were coming from my end. For me Tennis Mav's recommendation on LT positioning was really huge, it really took the DCP to another level.
Fedace
Banned
Not sure about that. Just the other day i was hitting Nadal like topspin shots with the IG instinct. It was extended but still, i was able to produce some heavy balls.
TennisMaverick
Banned
Any V1, C10 Pro, PB 10 Mid, PB 7, London, London Tour, and Melbourne.
JackB1
G.O.A.T.
Could you explain in detail the lead mod so I do it exactly the same way?
Is that 2" of .5" wide strips? 8 pieces in total or 4 grams in total?
TennisMaverick
Banned
Put a sock in it! I live between the mouths of the Brooklyn and Manhattan Bridges, less than ten blocks from Ground Zero, and everyone on the Volkl threads knows it. Don't you know what LES Remember means? Or since you're safe in San Diego, with nothing of any value to a terrorist, you are totally clueless.
I lived it, and still live it, as Police Plaza has a major thoroughfare to my building shutdown since 9/11 and the barricades in front of my block were manned with New York's Finest with automatic weapons until June of 2002. It took me 20 minutes on average just to leave my parking garage just to make it to the corner of my block, whenever I drove for 10 months, 24/7. New Yorkers own 9/11. PERIOD. I still live it everyday. The barricade and the Marine station with attack dog cage is two blocks from me, at New York's famous Five Corners. I can't get to the subway, go to the gym, or even Rite Aid Pharmacy, without walking through the barricade. We're proud of what we did on 9/11. Only you spectators want to forget; we New Yorker's want to respect and remember. We who lived through it, have courage, we are not cowards who want to forget, especially like those safe in front of their TVs, on the opposite coast.
The rest of you, unless you lost someone you knew, like, every person in my household did, were mere bystanders watching it on TV. So stick your offensive post up where the sun don't shine. You weren't here, your a TV spectator; you're the one who is offensive, especially since you don't even understand, "REMEMBER", nor "LES". PERIOD.
Fedace - You need to checkout the details on these rackets. The Dunlop 400 and IG Instinct have pretty much the same specs, including SW!
http://www.racquetfinder.com/compare.php?pcode=DB4HT
Name Head YOUTEK IG Instinct Dunlop Biomimetic 400
Head Size 100in² / 645cm² 100in² / 645cm²
Length 27.00in / 68.58cm 27.00in / 68.58cm
Weight 10.90oz / 309g 10.90oz / 309g
Balance Point 5pts HL 6pts HL
Swing Weight 303 305
Frame Stiffness 69 67
Beam Width 25.0mm 24.0mm
Tip / Shaft 23.0mm / 24.0mm 23.0mm / 23.5mm
Composition d3o / Innegra / Graphite HM6 Carbon, Aerogel, Graphite
Power Level Low-Medium Medium
String Pattern 16 Mains / 19 Crosses 16 Mains / 19 Crosses
Mains Skip 8H, 8T
Tension 48-57 55-65
Jack - The 400 and 500 are no more players rackets than the IGI.
JackB1
G.O.A.T.
I agree. That's why I've been testing some racquets that are meant more for 3.5 level play, like the V1 Classic and the Organix 6 and Becker DC Pro. The IG Instinct and Bio 400 and 500s are slightly easier to use than more hard core players sticks like the Bio 200 or Prestige.
Fedace
Banned
IG instinct and Bio 400 are Perfect tweeners. It can be used by advanced 4.5 player like me or improving 3.5-4.0 player as well. If too light, can add 1 piece of lead at 3 and 9 oclock position and you are good to go.
Instict IG lets me rip 100 mPH serves and still let it go in and tweeners can do that for you.
JackB1
G.O.A.T.
Just to update....after playtesting these 3 sticks I am going with the Becker Delta Core Pro for the foreseeable future.
Here is my rundown on the 3 racquets...
3rd place: V1 Classic
Nice feeling racquet. Impact feels nice. Not mushy - not stiff. Feels like a racquet that almost anyone could use. High powered but not uncontrollable. I struggled at first with the "higher launch angle" that it seems to have with my normal swing.
Works really well for hitting flat, but not the best for the modern topspin game IMO. For an 3.5 rec player with traditional, compact strokes, this is perfect. I'm sure I could adapt to it if given enough time, but it just didn't seem to fit with my game.
2nd place: Head IG Instinct
Not going to get rid of these just yet, just in case things don't work out with my top choice. Not much to complain about with this racquet...I have just come to realize that while I want a racquet for my level (3.5) I also like a decent amount of swingweight behind the ball. Many 11 oz racquets just dont feel right too me...too flimsy or whippy feeling. My swing is not "whippy", but not slow either. It's a medium speed, smoother swing and I like to use some of the racquet's mass to get my power. Lighter racquets that need swingspeed to generate power aren't for me. The Instinct does get better with added lead, but I don't want to get into an endless lead tape experiment trying to find that balance of plow and not too heavy. That said...this is a great all around racquet that does everything well. It's got a nice blend of power & control and a muted, dampened feel on impact that belies it's high stiffness rating. This one should have a large audience, especially those that want a semi-player's racquet with a lower swingweight. If you want a more substantial feeling racquet, lead is a must.
1st Place: Becker DC Pro.
This surprised me for sure. It wasn't "love at first hit" with this one and I almost discarded it quickly. It felt a little "club-like" as someone else said, but it just does everything so well and what drew my attention was the way it served. I was hitting the inside and outside corners with pace, like I never have before. Normally I get 1,2 aces per match. With the DC Pro, that number is more like 4-6. I just have more confidence playing service games with it and feel like I can control the point from the getgo.
Wonderful racquet from the baseline. My normal paced swing from the baseline gives me the right amount of power without overdoing it. It has a healthy 325 swingweight and is only 3-4 pts headlite and that puts some decent mass behind the ball without feeling sluggish. It also volleys nicely and doesn't flutter much on mishits. Seems to be one of the more stable 11 oz racquets I have ever hit.
The impact feeling (which is huge for me) is very nice. Pockety feel that is not harsh and not mush...just right. The DCP is one of those racquets exactly in the middle of the stiff/flexible spectrum. The wide hoop reminds me a little of the Head Speed's shape, so I didn't have any trouble adjusting there. Time will tell if the DC Pro will stick, but so far I don't see anything to complain about, other than the funky Becker handle
, but I will get used to that again like I did while using the London. If you do a search here for the DC Pro, you cannot find hardly any negative comments about it anywhere. Everyone who tries my racquet likes it. Anyone who thinks they have the same racquet likes/dislikes as me should jump on this thing. For $89 brand new, it's the deal of the century.
BTW...check the F/S section for some good deals
Here is my rundown on the 3 racquets...
3rd place: V1 Classic
Nice feeling racquet. Impact feels nice. Not mushy - not stiff. Feels like a racquet that almost anyone could use. High powered but not uncontrollable. I struggled at first with the "higher launch angle" that it seems to have with my normal swing.
Works really well for hitting flat, but not the best for the modern topspin game IMO. For an 3.5 rec player with traditional, compact strokes, this is perfect. I'm sure I could adapt to it if given enough time, but it just didn't seem to fit with my game.
2nd place: Head IG Instinct
Not going to get rid of these just yet, just in case things don't work out with my top choice. Not much to complain about with this racquet...I have just come to realize that while I want a racquet for my level (3.5) I also like a decent amount of swingweight behind the ball. Many 11 oz racquets just dont feel right too me...too flimsy or whippy feeling. My swing is not "whippy", but not slow either. It's a medium speed, smoother swing and I like to use some of the racquet's mass to get my power. Lighter racquets that need swingspeed to generate power aren't for me. The Instinct does get better with added lead, but I don't want to get into an endless lead tape experiment trying to find that balance of plow and not too heavy. That said...this is a great all around racquet that does everything well. It's got a nice blend of power & control and a muted, dampened feel on impact that belies it's high stiffness rating. This one should have a large audience, especially those that want a semi-player's racquet with a lower swingweight. If you want a more substantial feeling racquet, lead is a must.
1st Place: Becker DC Pro.
This surprised me for sure. It wasn't "love at first hit" with this one and I almost discarded it quickly. It felt a little "club-like" as someone else said, but it just does everything so well and what drew my attention was the way it served. I was hitting the inside and outside corners with pace, like I never have before. Normally I get 1,2 aces per match. With the DC Pro, that number is more like 4-6. I just have more confidence playing service games with it and feel like I can control the point from the getgo.
Wonderful racquet from the baseline. My normal paced swing from the baseline gives me the right amount of power without overdoing it. It has a healthy 325 swingweight and is only 3-4 pts headlite and that puts some decent mass behind the ball without feeling sluggish. It also volleys nicely and doesn't flutter much on mishits. Seems to be one of the more stable 11 oz racquets I have ever hit.
The impact feeling (which is huge for me) is very nice. Pockety feel that is not harsh and not mush...just right. The DCP is one of those racquets exactly in the middle of the stiff/flexible spectrum. The wide hoop reminds me a little of the Head Speed's shape, so I didn't have any trouble adjusting there. Time will tell if the DC Pro will stick, but so far I don't see anything to complain about, other than the funky Becker handle
, but I will get used to that again like I did while using the London. If you do a search here for the DC Pro, you cannot find hardly any negative comments about it anywhere. Everyone who tries my racquet likes it. Anyone who thinks they have the same racquet likes/dislikes as me should jump on this thing. For $89 brand new, it's the deal of the century.BTW...check the F/S section for some good deals
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Just to update....after playtesting these 3 sticks I am going with the Becker Delta Core Pro for the foreseeable future.
Here is my rundown on the 3 racquets...
3rd place: V1 Classic
Nice feeling racquet. Impact feels nice. Not mushy - not stiff. Feels like a racquet that almost anyone could use. High powered but not uncontrollable. I struggled at first with the "higher launch angle" that it seems to have with my normal swing.
Works really well for hitting flat, but not the best for the modern topspin game IMO. For an 3.5 rec player with traditional, compact strokes, this is perfect. I'm sure I could adapt to it if given enough time, but it just didn't seem to fit with my game.
2nd place: Head IG Instinct
Not going to get rid of these just yet, just in case things don't work out with my top choice. Not much to complain about with this racquet...I have just come to realize that while I want a racquet for my level (3.5) I also like a decent amount of swingweight behind the ball. Many 11 oz racquets just dont feel right too me...too flimsy or whippy feeling. My swing is not "whippy", but not slow either. It's a medium speed, smoother swing and I like to use some of the racquet's mass to get my power. Lighter racquets that need swingspeed to generate power aren't for me. The Instinct does get better with added lead, but I don't want to get into an endless lead tape experiment trying to find that balance of plow and not too heavy. That said...this is a great all around racquet that does everything well. It's got a nice blend of power & control and a muted, dampened feel on impact that belies it's high stiffness rating. This one should have a large audience, especially those that want a semi-player's racquet with a lower swingweight. If you want a more substantial feeling racquet, lead is a must.
1st Place: Becker DC Pro.
This surprised me for sure. It wasn't "love at first hit" with this one and I almost discarded it quickly. It felt a little "club-like" as someone else said, but it just does everything so well and what drew my attention was the way it served. I was hitting the inside and outside corners with pace, like I never have before. Normally I get 1,2 aces per match. With the DC Pro, that number is more like 4-6. I just have more confidence playing service games with it and feel like I can control the point from the getgo.
Wonderful racquet from the baseline. My normal paced swing from the baseline gives me the right amount of power without overdoing it. It has a healthy 325 swingweight and is only 3-4 pts headlite and that puts some decent mass behind the ball without feeling sluggish. It also volleys nicely and doesn't flutter much on mishits. Seems to be one of the more stable 11 oz racquets I have ever hit.
The impact feeling (which is huge for me) is very nice. Pockety feel that is not harsh and not mush...just right. The DCP is one of those racquets exactly in the middle of the stiff/flexible spectrum. The wide hoop reminds me a little of the Head Speed's shape, so I didn't have any trouble adjusting there. Time will tell if the DC Pro will stick, but so far I don't see anything to complain about, other than the funky Becker handle
BTW...check the F/S section for some good deals
yep, I as able to take a few swings with the delta core pro and hated the rectangular grip shape. the rectangular grip shape makes for the the smallest feeling 4-3/8 grip I've ever felt. really funny pallet choice!
unfortunately, I didn't get to hit any balls cause they didn't demo. it was at a tennis tournament.
anyway, let me know how you change the shape of the grip? I assume your gonna try a square it up a bit. kinda of like dunlop! they have the best grip shape I think!
I think wilson is too rectangular for a semiwestern grip also, just hard to lock my grip in especially on slice. (tend to float)
when I demoed dunlop my serve slice and topspin forehand where way better. icaouldn't miss a slice with the dunlop.
wonder if you could graft a dunlop pallet onto the dcp?
JackB1
G.O.A.T.
The Becker shape isn't that bad IMO. The Volkl shape is even more rectanguar. I can use the Becker shape as is, but it just takes me about a week for it to feel "normal". But what you CAN do (I used to do this with Head) is buy 1/2 size smaller than your usual racquet gripsize and add athletic tape or masking tape to the side (wide) bevels, under the grip. Usually 4-5 strips on each of the 2 wide bevels is sufficient. Try and square up the edge of the tape with the bevel's edge, so your edges don't get rounded. Then just rewrap your grip and overgrip and it will feel better than stock. Remember this will add about 5 grams to the handle, which shouldn't be too noticeable, but you could always add another few grams to the hoop if you want to maintain the exact same balance. Just measure the balance before you mod, so you know what to get after.
athiker
Hall of Fame
Thanks for the reviews. I've been following along on the Organix threads for a while now. Your impressions of the V1 were spot on to mine from a few years back. Solid and easy to hit with good power but a little lacking in easy spin. Well suited for the flat hitter...of which I play with a few being in the mid to late 40's demographic.
I also remember liking the Becker Pro but don't recall which version I hit. It was no doubt an earlier version (I'll have to look it up). I remember power and spin but not great feel, touch or volleys. A baseline stick.
This leads me to my question. How do you compare the Becker Pro to the Organix 8 (315)? I hit with decent spin but not extreme western. I reworked my stroke about 3 years ago and modeled it after the Fuzzy Yellow Balls videos. Bit of a loopy takeback, drop and then low to high. Its a longer fuller swing than most I play with. I don't hit as hard through the court as some of the flatter hitters though.
In singles, my preferred game, I move in on short balls and continue to the net. I don't mind rallying if my opponent keeps his balls deep though. I also play quite a bit of doubles though which obviously involves volleying. Right now I switch between the C10 Pro and the Fischer Mag Tour...the C10 is great when I'm fresh and can handle it but I'm quicker on reaction volleys and hit with more spin w/ the Fischer. The Fischer is pretty solid, especially if you consider the low swing weight, but volleys are more controlled with the C10. Return of serve vs. the few hard servers I come across is more solid w/ the C10 as well.
I'm putting together a demo list and looking for input. I've hit w/ the Organix 10...fine but a little dead feeling and felt low powered. I'm actually starting to think I need a little more power than either the C10 or the Mag Tours offer. I also need a comfortable ride for my 1HBH. Thoughts?
I also remember liking the Becker Pro but don't recall which version I hit. It was no doubt an earlier version (I'll have to look it up). I remember power and spin but not great feel, touch or volleys. A baseline stick.
This leads me to my question. How do you compare the Becker Pro to the Organix 8 (315)? I hit with decent spin but not extreme western. I reworked my stroke about 3 years ago and modeled it after the Fuzzy Yellow Balls videos. Bit of a loopy takeback, drop and then low to high. Its a longer fuller swing than most I play with. I don't hit as hard through the court as some of the flatter hitters though.
In singles, my preferred game, I move in on short balls and continue to the net. I don't mind rallying if my opponent keeps his balls deep though. I also play quite a bit of doubles though which obviously involves volleying. Right now I switch between the C10 Pro and the Fischer Mag Tour...the C10 is great when I'm fresh and can handle it but I'm quicker on reaction volleys and hit with more spin w/ the Fischer. The Fischer is pretty solid, especially if you consider the low swing weight, but volleys are more controlled with the C10. Return of serve vs. the few hard servers I come across is more solid w/ the C10 as well.
I'm putting together a demo list and looking for input. I've hit w/ the Organix 10...fine but a little dead feeling and felt low powered. I'm actually starting to think I need a little more power than either the C10 or the Mag Tours offer. I also need a comfortable ride for my 1HBH. Thoughts?
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JackB1
G.O.A.T.
Your style of play sounds a lot like mine. You should definitely check out BOTH the X8-315 and the BDCP. They are both great baseliner sticks. I only tried the X8-315 very briefly, but it's hard to say which is better for you. I think the BDCP has slightly more power and larger sweetspot...maybe a little more in the feel dept? But they are both designed for baseline play, but can also be all-around sticks when needed. If I were you I would try both and pick whichever u serve better with...they are both easy to hit groundies with.
athiker
Hall of Fame
Thanks for the reply Jack. How do you like the 327 swingweight of the BDCP? I know you've mentioned 325 before as you comfort spot...not that that's a huge departure...but just curious. I've got 9 sticks on my list right now. The 4 I'm leaning toward trying are:
Volkl X8 315
Prince Tour Team
Yonex VCore 100S
Wilson BLX Pro Open
Considering:
Becker DC Pro
Becker London
Becker V1 Classic
Head IG Instinct
Prince Shark Hybrid
My strokes have changed quite a bit since I last seriously demoed about 3 years ago...though I have tried other racquets here and there. A bit ironically for these boards I think I can handle a lighter racquet now than I could before. Return of serve against hard hitters was always a concern so I liked a heavier racquet to stand up to that. I've improved in that respect now and like to take decent cuts at serves now when I can instead of just blocking back 1st serves. I also think I can control a more powerful racquet better now that I hit with more spin and am looking for more power from less work (than my Fischers) and probably a bit bigger and more forgiving headsize (than my C10 Pros). I still need to keep one eye on arm comfort though due to my 1HBH with full knowledge my form is not always perfect.
Volkl X8 315
Prince Tour Team
Yonex VCore 100S
Wilson BLX Pro Open
Considering:
Becker DC Pro
Becker London
Becker V1 Classic
Head IG Instinct
Prince Shark Hybrid
My strokes have changed quite a bit since I last seriously demoed about 3 years ago...though I have tried other racquets here and there. A bit ironically for these boards I think I can handle a lighter racquet now than I could before. Return of serve against hard hitters was always a concern so I liked a heavier racquet to stand up to that. I've improved in that respect now and like to take decent cuts at serves now when I can instead of just blocking back 1st serves. I also think I can control a more powerful racquet better now that I hit with more spin and am looking for more power from less work (than my Fischers) and probably a bit bigger and more forgiving headsize (than my C10 Pros). I still need to keep one eye on arm comfort though due to my 1HBH with full knowledge my form is not always perfect.
dParis
Hall of Fame
All 9 seem like good choices, hiker (possible exception of the BLXPO). I'd be interested to hear what your opinions are once you've demoed them. I should try the Prince Team Tour and see if it lives up to the hype. So far, at around 11oz. or less, nothing touches the X10-295, imo. You said it was dead feeling. Are you talking about the X295 or the X325? I thought the X325 was a little dead feeling. Its weight and balance just didn't translate into a dynamic stick for me. I wanted to see what a more nimble version of the X325 was like and that's the only reason I tried the X295. I'm glad I did. The lighter weight lets more feedback through and higher racquet head speed is easy to generate, resulting in more power and spin than many sticks in its class.
EDIT: Might want to consider Donnays like the X-Dual Gold or X-P Duals.
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athiker
Hall of Fame
It was the 325. I haven't hit with the 295. The feeling was muted IMHO, and that would have been okay but for the low power. I guess I expected more power than my C10 Pros but I felt it was actually less. I can't be sure what the string set-up was...it appeared to be a syn gut, maybe a multi and no idea of the tension. It was not a poly. I used a nat gut/poly hybrid most of the time. That hit was probably when I decided it might be time to go in a different direction from my C10 Pro specs that I always gravitated to in the past....lighter, more powerful and bigger.
TennisMaverick
Banned
From your game style, age, and current stick, if you decide to go to a 100in2 topspin rip stick, then go with the X8 315. Even though they are both designed for heavy spin, you can flatten-out the ball with the X8 315 and have a lot of control and plow-thru.
On the other hand, from what you describe, I would suggest the London or the X10 295. They are both perfect transitions for a C10 Pro user. The lighter weights of these two sticks allows for faster racquet head acceleration, and the DC/X material adds crazy stability in-place of the C10 Pro's weight.
Regarding the X10 325: I am baffled that coming from a C10 Pro, that you found the X10 325 to be underpowered and dead. The C10 Pro does not hit a heavy ball, and the pop coming from the X10 325, was actually difficult for me to control. It is very crisp/quick; the dwell time is short. It plays like a more solid Roddick PDGT which can hit flat and can volley well with numerous volley techniques. Coming from the PB 10 Mid and now my London Tour--both of which hit a bigger and heavier ball than the C10 Pro--the only way that I could control the X10 325 was to add a lot of spin or take every ball on the rise, which is not how I play, or lead it up to mimic my mids--which I did--to increase the dwell time, as the lead makes the ball stay on the strings longer. I would argue that whatever string was in your demo was the problem.
JackB1
G.O.A.T.
All great choices and I tried all but the Prince. The Blx pro open is a great stick and the Becker DC Pro is great if your mostly a baselines. The BLX has a little more control and versatility.
athiker
Hall of Fame
Believe me I was shocked too re: the x10 325. That's why I stressed that I don't know with what or how tight it was strung. I know you have mentioned it strings up "crazy tight" so maybe it was simply strung too tight. It wasn't a demo but a another player who hits with us once in a while. I got to try it twice, once for just a little rallying one on one and then another time for about 4 games...but of doubles. So with a different set up the power may be there but I'm pretty confident I want to go in a lighter more powerful direction.
Ever since I bought a Becker 11 MP off of Jack I've been fond of Volkls. I even remember liking the V1 and Becker Pro of about 3 years ago when I demoed about 15 racquets. A little while ago I would've said the x8 315 looks to be perfect, more power, bit lighter and a bit larger head. But while I definitely want to try it I want to try some even lighter stuff too...a few things very different than what I have now just to see how a more radical change will work for me. Maybe even the PB7 you mentioned!
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athiker
Hall of Fame
I think I'm going to pass on the DC Pro unless I do two rounds of 4 from TW. I'm looking for more all court I think plus the swingweight scares me off. I can't think of a Wilson I've ever liked but am trying not to let that prejudice me against the Pro Open. In the past I've tended to favor Volkl and Prince with a little Babolat and PK thrown in. Haven't had much success with Wilson, Head or Dunlop.
JackB1
G.O.A.T.
Trust me...give the BLX pro open a try. With just a touch of lead it is perfect. Great all court stick!
TennisMaverick
Banned
The PB 7 is quite a frame, as was the original Tour 7. I don't think that there is an oversize stick out there quite like it. IMPO, it's due to the head shape; the traditional Volkl wide shoulders, like BITD Volkl/Puma/Kneissl but less wide. It really allows you to drive thru the ball. Definitely check-it-out; it's like a bigger PB 10 Mid. And use the dampener...it does more than muffle the so-called "ping", LOL!
nickarnold2000
Hall of Fame
The DC Pro does all court very well - it's not just a baseline blaster.
In my opinion, it's better DC Pro
Yesterday I tried IG Instinct and.....I have no feel!
it was deaf, it's impossible to feel the contact with the ball, I could not realize which type oh shot would go out from strings.
I loved DC Pro, in my opinon this is a great frame!
I have just to decide which string is better on it
Yesterday I tried IG Instinct and.....I have no feel!
it was deaf, it's impossible to feel the contact with the ball, I could not realize which type oh shot would go out from strings.
I loved DC Pro, in my opinon this is a great frame!
I have just to decide which string is better on it
Fedace
Banned
DC pro has way too high of swingweight.
Boris Becker Delta Core Pro
Now: $89.00
Product DetailsSpecificationsTechnologiesPurchase 2 or more, price drops to $79/each
The popular Becker Pro has been updated with Delta Core technology. The result is improved feel and stability from all areas of the court. The perfect option for the player who likes to attack with power and spin, the Delta Core Pro compliments the modern game. Improved feel and comfort compared to the original Becker Pro meets the same popular level of power and maneuverability Pro fans have come to expect. The stringbed offers solid bite on the ball making this a great racquet for players who like to attack with topspin and slice. On serve the racquet offers solid power and its spin-friendliness gives plenty of action to slice and kick deliveries. All in all, an impressive offering for the modern player who likes to attack from all areas of the court.
Racquet does not come with a cover.
Midplus Specs
Head Size:
100 sq. in. / 645.16 sq. cm.
Length: 27 inches / 68.58 cm
Strung Weight: 11.1oz / 314.68g
Balance: 3 pts HL
Swingweight: 327
Stiffness: 66
Beam Width: 23mm/25mm/23mm/
Composition: Delta Core
Power Level: Low-Medium
Swing Speed: Medium-Fast
Grip Type: Boris Becker
dParis
Hall of Fame
What are you talking about? It's 327. It's an easy racquet to get moving and that SW puts mass behind the ball resulting in big-time power and spin.
Have you even played with the DC Pro?
JackB1
G.O.A.T.
I agree. The sw is not bad at all at around 325. Right in the middle of the spectrum
TennisMaverick
Banned
Please. Someone needs to hit the frakking gym already!
JackB1
G.O.A.T.
OK, I am now trying to decide between the Becker Pro and the Wilson BLX Pro Open. I can use either one effectively and both suit my game well. The Becker has a swingweight of 319 and the BLX Open is 322. The Becker feels more polarized, whereas the Open feels more equally weighted throughout the racquet. The Becker may be more of a pure baseliners stick and the Open may be more well rounded for doubles or all-court play.
It's a tough decision! I will play with both for a while and just see which gives me better results on court.
It's a tough decision! I will play with both for a while and just see which gives me better results on court.
blx pro open is sweetness! I demoed that one and its a good all around stick. that being said there is no perfect racquet. they all have here strengths and weaknesses.
in fact, I was surprised when I demoed a few racquets lately and found that I liked all of them! even the dirt cheap ones (lm radical)
there all pretty well balanced and well built these days! pretty much I found you can just buy anyone and start spanking the ball.
in fact, I was surprised when I demoed a few racquets lately and found that I liked all of them! even the dirt cheap ones (lm radical)
there all pretty well balanced and well built these days! pretty much I found you can just buy anyone and start spanking the ball.
bertrevert
Legend
JackB1 said:
You said that about the IG Instinct - have you put it aside now?
If so, was it the low swingweight that wasn't producing a heavy ball?
And when you say semi-players I reckon I understand what you mean - that it's not too exacting and yet it's not trainer wheels either!
I am wanting to try the IG Instinct.
I am in that frame of mind where I have lost a few matches recently and I want a little more oomph (I am using Wilson kTour cut down to standard length). Darn I am going to pull the pin and get the Instinct in. Bit worried about that low swingweight but am looking fwd to 100 sq in stringbed...
Last q: why the BLX Pro Open over the Instinct exactly?
TennisMaverick
Banned
Come'on Jack! It's been weeks already! I want to see your new avatar!
the ktour is a pretty powerful racquet. my problem with the k factor series is lack of feel and control. the previous model h tour is so much smoother swinging and more controlled I almost never hit the k tour unless I break a string and have to.
something is just wrong with wilson n code and k factor racquets. I haven't hit with the blx yet, but I'm kinda a frustrated with wilson's lack of quality right now so screw them.
bertrevert
Legend
Big statement but I kind of agree with you.
Racquets are just built cheaper these days - we get variety and more specs at the expense of polish and testing.
Well yes, I think Wilson achieved some sort of market pre-eminence with 2 Key players over the last two decades and (pride before fall) gave up on quality control.
I'd agree with you that there's not a lot of feel coming out of K series racquets however I have nTour series as well and that is my main frame with the kTours as backups. Funny because I got the n of the Bay and it is really pitted and mistreated. Still, she's the one. Bends and flexes and feeds back. The K not so. The K is more shoot by wire than feel.
I checked in with the Head Speed 300 a little while back and, er, shall we say it ended badly.
I have great angles, disguise, and just the right sort of nasty power and spin with this little light 95 called the nTour @ 27 inches. However it I get tired, nervous or slack the ball aint going nowhere.
I want some FREE power, and so does Jack it appears...
Fedace
Banned
no i have not. but 327 seem high to me. i like 315-320 much better. and yes i do work out in the gym and have some muscles. i just think SW of 330 or higher is way too high for fast paced doubles.
Pneumated1
Hall of Fame
There's a BLX Pro Open on the first page of the "Graveyard" section. No Londons or Becker Pros but a BLX Pro Open. That can only mean one thing . . .
Joking aside, the pluses of the Wilson would be the pallet shape, 16x19 pattern, and for you, the crisper response. But what is your arm telling you to do? I loved the K-Blade and hit it for a year, but my arm didn't thank me for it. Although, I did play too much that year in late Winter, early Spring cold, which may have been more to blame than the frame.
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JackB1
G.O.A.T.
I found that I do better with more swingweight and plow. The Instinct is very light and whippy feeling and I figured out I don't do so well with those type of sticks. The Becker DC Pro and the BLX Pro Open are tweeters but they have enough swingweight to allow me to swing normally and enough power to keep the ball deep and have some pop in reserve for when its needed. So far the Becker DC Pro is working out pretty good. I am 3-0 with it and it kind of reminds me of the London but easier to use and better from the baseline.
JackB1
G.O.A.T.
I am still deciding between the BDCP and the BLXPO. Playing well with the Becker right now.
JackB1
G.O.A.T.
My Becker measured 319 swingweight, but I asked for 2 sticks near the published specs.
JackB1
G.O.A.T.
Not selling any BLXs just yet
Both the Wilson and the Becker are the
same stiffness level...firm and not stiff.
The Becker has a impact feeling that reminds me
of the London a little bit but with less cupping feel
and slightly crisper.
Pneumated1
Hall of Fame
Not selling any BLXs just yet
Both the Wilson and the Becker are the
same stiffness level...firm and not stiff.
The Becker has a impact feeling that reminds me
of the London a little bit but with less cupping feel
and slightly crisper.
I knew that it wasn't yours. I was just ribbing you a little for your whistle blowing whenever a London was found there---just making the point that just because a frame is in the "graveyard" doesn't make it inferior---at least I hope not, for your sake
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dParis
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But the DCPro's swingweight isn't 330 or higher. You are stating the racquet has "way too high of swingweight", but using your own data, the racquet doesn't even fit the criteria which you set.
Are you high on something?
TennisMaverick
Banned
LOL..........................
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Chyeaah
Professional
becker pro is too ugly for my liking the colours are just too eugh.
Let us know what you have decided on your BLX when you get a chance =D Im loving my pro open. I heard you were going to test the 100S from Yonex. Youll have to go at least 5-6 hours tweaking your strokes and getting used to to isometric head, which is great when you get used to it.
Let us know what you have decided on your BLX when you get a chance =D Im loving my pro open. I heard you were going to test the 100S from Yonex. Youll have to go at least 5-6 hours tweaking your strokes and getting used to to isometric head, which is great when you get used to it.
bertrevert
Legend
Racquets that tweet?!?!
Light and whippy sounds appealing in that a little judicious lead added at 12 should give the stick the raised sweetspot and sting in the tail required.
Ease of use and functionality from where you find yourself in the court - all making sense.
I think I have always had reasonably light but demanding frames - nothing over 310 grams really for me, but really not added juice, and I have to middle the balls. Basically all I think I've played is racquets similar to LM Radicals...
I think I need some error correction though...
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