Iga Swiatek: Next Polish superstar?

There is no way to tell exactly how good Iga will be, or any other rising star for that matter. I hope she just keeps working hard with the goal to be the best player that she can be. And wherever she ends up as a result will certainly be a very successful career. She really seems to have tremendous talent and is a very hard worker.
 
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Friedman Whip said:
There is no way to tell exactly how good Iga will be, or any other rising star for that matter. I hope she just keeps working hard with the goal to be the best player that she can be. And wherever she ends up as a result will certainly be a very successful career. She really seems to have tremendous talent and is a very hard worker.
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Kudos to that!
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Kicking off the season today against Juvan in Melbourne.

Will be curious to see how she fares with the new Tecnifibre racket she has switched to.
 
Out of the Gippsland Trophy 6-4 6-2 to Alexandrova. Seems like she isn't yet used to fast hards. Let's see how she plays at the AO.
 
Keizer said:
Out of the Gippsland Trophy 6-4 6-2 to Alexandrova. Seems like she isn't yet used to fast hards. Let's see how she plays at the AO.
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Alexandrova was hitting hard, flat balls and was painting the lines, everything was going her way.
Iga on the other hand was missing the balls she was getting in during her match with Juvan.
It seemed like she was not ready(prepared) for this kind of player/style
 
Yes I agree with you guys. I am a huge Iga fan and follow her closely. My feeling is that whereas Iga's heavy topspin and ability to hit so deep that works so well to her advantage on clay just doesn't have the same effect on a very fast court. And one of the announcers said the Gippsland court was 'very fast'. Plus the new different racquet may be a problem. Let's hope she and her coach get it figured out soon.
 
Looking good so far. Halep up next in the fourth round. Hoping for a repeat of RG and I think she's rounding into form at the right time.
 
Who?

Oh, right, she won a slam last year...

So many debut slam champs in women's tennis in the last few years, I literally can't keep up with all those "GREAT NEW HOPES" of tennis...
 
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Jason Swerve said:
Hell no. She won a single damn match against a subpar opponent. We need to stop jumping the gun on this person.
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I agree with you, statistically.

Yet, it's like no one can boss her. She's doing ballet and sh** back there, hugging the baseline. You see she will reverse turn back to center after a freaking forehand squash shot. Regularly, not some Rafa highlight improvisation.

She's got goods *all around* the game.

/Acey

her service needs more regular power, but her 2nd is fierce, so she she may have time to bring it up a notch. In long hard hot matches, free points are often a huge tactic [US Open, for ex.]
 
AceyMan said:
I agree with you, statistically.

Yet, it's like no one can boss her. She's doing ballet and sh** back there, hugging the baseline. You see she will reverse turn back to center after a freaking forehand squash shot. Regularly, not some Rafa highlight improvisation.

She's got goods *all around* the game.

/Acey

her service needs more regular power, but her 2nd is fierce, so she she may have time to bring it up a notch. In long hard hot matches, free points are often a huge tactic [US Open, for ex.]
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After Majoli beat that injured Hingis for the French and partied all weekend, she lost everything thereafter and soon fell out of the Top 100. Only won a single tournament years later, before she retired. Majoli had a superior all-court game against better players than what Swiatkek's facing: her tactics against Coetzer were completely different than what she needed against Hingis.

Here's the thing: Even if Swiatek wins this French, that in itself could be her undoing. People won't look beyond the immediate major, of course. A real all-time great'll want to keep pursuing and tackling the next challenge on the horizon. The first step is winning the thing. The second is carrying that momentum throughout her prime.
 
DSH said:
Do you think she has similar potential even higher than Justine Henin at RG?
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Tough to say just yet. Henin retired too early and would have been the favorite in 08 and a strong candidate the next few years after that. Iga is still developing, but I can def see Iga winning close to a handful of FO's as well and more than that wouldn't surprise me. Her forehand is money on clay. Your thoughts?
 
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Chanwan said:
Tough to say just yet. Henin retired too early and would have been the favorite in 08 and a strong candidate the next few years after that. Iga is still developing, but I can def see Iga winning close to a handful of FO's as well and more than that wouldn't surprise me. Her forehand is money on clay. Your thoughts?
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My thoughts are you're overestimating her. She's 19. We should be hearing compliments like this.

Graf has done her scouting. She watched much of Hingis' split-set win over No. 3 seed Arantxa Sanchez Vicario.

"There were some great points and some long rallies. Martina seems to believe a lot more in herself and she believes she can play and win against the top players and she is playing a little bit more aggressively, which definitely helps her game."

“It’s a very talented, intelligent game she’s playing out there,” Graf said. “She knows exactly what to do. She is very quick, takes the pace for the opponent, plays sharp angles. No matter how hard you play her, she takes your speed and hits with incredible depth. Her down-the-lines are probably the best in tennis. You don’t see a lot of players play that kind of game.

“As fast as she’s going, she’s definitely the one to look out for, no question. The way she’s been playing, without being afraid, with the freshness--I definitely see her as being The One.”
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The Hingis child was 15, not even 16. Name someone in the Top 10 giving Swiatek this level of praise. Not that it matters- they're all amateurs fronting as professionals.
 
Jason Swerve said:
My thoughts are you're overestimating her. She's 19. We should be hearing compliments like this.



The Hingis child was 15, not even 16. Name someone in the Top 10 giving Swiatek this level of praise. Not that it matters- they're all amateurs fronting as professionals.
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Could well be. It's not a massive sample size to judge from and I also said tough to say just yet.
Hingis was a rare prodigy winning all her slams before turning 19. I generally expect players getting better in their 20's compared to their teens. If Iga doesn't develop any further, I am in all likelihood wrong. Yet, even now, who would your favor against a well playing Iga on clay?
 
Jason Swerve said:
Here's the thing: Even if Swiatek wins this French, that in itself could be her undoing. People won't look beyond the immediate major, of course. A real all-time great'll want to keep pursuing and tackling the next challenge on the horizon. The first step is winning the thing. The second is carrying that momentum throughout her prime.
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She already has won the French and there is no evidence that she is less motivated than before. With the long posts she writes on Instagram overnanalyzing every loss, I'd wager the opposite is true.

Of course there's no evidence she'll be an ATG at the level of Serena or Henin. Nobody should say such, because success at that level goes beyond ability and it is impossible to predict how her mentality will evolve. However, her game looks more robust than Ostapenko's/Kenin's and they should not be the default comparisons to her.
 
asifallasleep said:
She has the entire stroke arsenal with an excellent tennis mind. She knows how to play proper tennis, quite different from all the boring baseline bashers the last two decades. I agree with all your comments. IGA has oodles of natural talent. One thing no one seems to be mentioning is how she consistently hits the ball deep. A deep ball no matter the pace is always far superior to a any ball hit not as deep. Kenin was ripping all her balls, and none of them were deep in the court. You can rip any ball to me as hard as you can and if it's still in front of me, it's no problem getting it back. I tell people this all the time. Dimitrov has a similar problem. His shots are not hit deep enough.
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Nalbandian tells Kecmanovic exactly this between 0:18 and 0:35 below. Thought of this video the moment I read your post.

 
Chanwan said:
Could well be. It's not a massive sample size to judge from and I also said tough to say just yet.
Hingis was a rare prodigy winning all her slams before turning 19. I generally expect players getting better in their 20's compared to their teens. If Iga doesn't develop any further, I am in all likelihood wrong. Yet, even now, who would your favor against a well playing Iga on clay?
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It's that she won her slams before 19 but also made many finals. We can't leave out the finals, because she made her finals in periods where she was more injured than when she won. How many finals did Swiatek make? How many finals did she have match points in or attempt to serve out the match in? She's a clay specialist- so were these clay finals? Even if she had some finals under her belt, you could prop her up for being a consistently strong threat. She doesn't: she won her lone tournament in the weakest year in recent memory. When looking at a player, it's easier to compare them to the next generation if you look at their ceiling. Hingis obviously had tougher competition for all of her titles than Swiatek, from the minute she entered the Top 30. If Hingis grew up today, she'd be the modern Graf, with no Seles around. Osaka might get lucky once in a while at a US Open final. That's about it.

Swiatek should've been following up her initial slam success, but we have to ask why. Did she have easier competition back then? Was she mentally or physically unable to keep her for up? You'd better believe it's both- the pandemic's assured us of that. The competition's easier than ever. We've got players getting injured and old and out of it, left and right, and now's the perfect time for her to come up. We were waiting a while for Graf to win her first slam after she climbed the rankings, same as Hingis, same as Venus. It took a few years. Then she blew up. We've obviously lost a year, but if Swiatek doesn't start routining like she just did, it's safe to say she won't be reaching Henin heights.

We've got a similar thing to the past here. When Hingis retired around early '03, everyone was looking to Henin to be the only one to challenge the Williams, Clijsters, and Davenport. Now it's Swiatek with Halep, as the only challenge for Barty and..........well, some others. There aren't many others. It's a damn shame, but she really has no excuse but to lose to anyone but herself. Sad for her: that's what's done her in, in the past. Madrid included- and I know the surfaces aren't exactly the same. But that level against Pliskova wasn't the highest Swiatek can go. It's higher than what most of the tour's likely to produce in the coming weeks, and if she falls out of the draw, you'll see it's because her own level fell instead.
 
Keizer said:
She already has won the French and there is no evidence that she is less motivated than before. With the long posts she writes on Instagram overnanalyzing every loss, I'd wager the opposite is true.

Of course there's no evidence she'll be an ATG at the level of Serena or Henin. Nobody should say such, because success at that level goes beyond ability and it is impossible to predict how her mentality will evolve. However, her game looks more robust than Ostapenko's/Kenin's and they should not be the default comparisons to her.
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There's nothing else to do at the moment. Let's look at when the bustle of the tour returns in full force. Twitter fingers after a loss is just another way to cope. After Serena or Kournikova lost, they'd hit the practice courts for a few hours. Same with Venus- they wouldn't talk to anybody but their trainers. After Hingis lost, she'd immediately enter another tournament.

You can gauge a person's success by the littler things. You couldn't predict from a broad view that Kournikova would fall out from injuries. You could if you saw her intensity-practicing for her minimum of six hours a day, seven days a week, from the moment she entered the tour. Swiatek's lack of ambition to go out there and make her racket a prosthetic arm is what's going to be the difference between her and these other players who fine-tuned their games to be on at every turn, rather than to have some blistering days and some days like that final in Madrid.
 
Jason Swerve said:
There's nothing else to do at the moment. Let's look at when the bustle of the tour returns in full force. Twitter fingers after a loss is just another way to cope. After Serena or Kournikova lost, they'd hit the practice courts for a few hours. Same with Venus- they wouldn't talk to anybody but their trainers. After Hingis lost, she'd immediately enter another tournament.

You can gauge a person's success by the littler things. You couldn't predict from a broad view that Kournikova would fall out from injuries. You could if you saw her intensity-practicing for her minimum of six hours a day, seven days a week, from the moment she entered the tour. Swiatek's lack of ambition to go out there and make her racket a prosthetic arm is what's going to be the difference between her and these other players who fine-tuned their games to be on at every turn, rather than to have some blistering days and some days like that final in Madrid.
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What are you even saying lol? Do you know for a fact that she practices less than any of these people after a loss? Djokovic also put up a post after losing to Rafa at Rome -- does that mean he didn't train hard after?
 
Keizer said:
What are you even saying lol? Do you know for a fact that she practices less than any of these people after a loss? Djokovic also put up a post after losing to Rafa at Rome -- does that mean he didn't train hard after?
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1386257195604627456

Oh, she's definitely bringing her A+ game off the court, 'lol'. Nice dance moves.

Why don't you go ahead and forget everything you just said.


The kid's 15, tanned as dirt, with most of her clothes off, and can barely even stand up. Unlike Swiatek with her little cellphone recordings, the 15 year old can't just 'turn off the video' and get some food after another couple minutes. She's stuck there, hitting her ass off. That's how she learned to practice this same way for six hours minimum, every single day. The fact that I'm deigning to explain to you the difference in work ethic between those players and these players tells me you're a new watcher. There's nothing wrong with that, but listen up, why don't you. I'm imparting wisdom. Swiatek posts to social media several times per week. Kournikova wasn't on any computers. Hingis wasn't on any computers. Martinka ran legitimate marathons, after hitting for hours, after her official matches, and you're really making me compare these two to this pretender. The Kournikova of '98 would eat Swiatek alive, and any notion to doubt her training harder should disappear when you learn these Bollettieri kids woke up at like 6 a.m every day., ate breakfast, and then played tennis until late in the evening (with some bs classes mixed in). Like I said, Monday through Sunday: six hours, minimum. Graf's damned coach said Kournikova practiced too much for her own good.

I don't care about Djokovic. Stop comparing this upstart to established ATGs. She's not Djokovic who can just walk in to a Grand Slam tournament without training and make QFs at the worst. She's not Serena who in her prime could do the same thing. So stop acting like she's on par with them because of a single frickin' double bagel, Keizer. It's a part of the game. She didn't morph into the next evolution before our eyes. Calm your excitement down.
 
Jason Swerve said:
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When did I ever compare her to Hingis, lmfao. Have I even said Hingis’s name once in ththread? And yes, comparing social media use between two 90s players and Gen Z’er to make a point about practice when social media didn’t exist in the 90s. Gimme a break.

This “back in my day” strawmanning is so tiresome, especially when the player in question has done literally nothing wrong.

“BuT sOcIaL mEdiA muST mEAn sHe dOeSn’t pRacTicE”
 
And stop your whining. I showed you her 'practicing' before she had her ass handed to her in Madrid, and compared it to about all we have of a random fan watching Kournikova slave for hours on a court in 90-degree heat. She ain't nothing with those half-assed exercises. All that sniveling won't get you a thing from her.
 
Jason Swerve said:
Are you a boldfaced liar, or do you have a short memory?
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Ah yes, from strawmen to ad hominems. Again, please point me to a single post in the thread where I compared Swiatek's potential to Hingis's. Nobody said the word Hingis in this thread until you posted.

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And stop your whining. I showed you her 'practicing' before she had her ass handed to her in Madrid, and compared it to about all we have of a random fan watching Kournikova slave for hours on a court in 90-degree heat. She ain't nothing with those half-assed exercises. All that sniveling won't get you a thing from her.
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Thanks for your one data point. Can you show me all the photo shoots Kournikova took part in while she was becoming a sex symbol or was she practicing through those too?
 
Keizer said:
Ah yes, from strawmen to ad hominems. Again, please point me to a single post in the thread where I compared Swiatek's potential to Hingis's. Nobody said the word Hingis in this thread until you posted.
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So it's the latter. Good to know.

Thanks for your one data point. Can you show me all the photo shoots Kournikova took part in while she was becoming a sex symbol or was she practicing through those too?
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No, but I can show you some actual quotes since your lazypants behind needs to be spoon fed everything about these players you know nothing about, Swiatek included.

PAVEL SLOZIL: First moment was very positive for me. First practice, I arrived after 30 hours in the air from Europe. She arrived from America also 24 hours flight. And same morning I thought: Okay, now maybe afternoon we will practice one hour and we have a time. She wanted to practice twice that
morning, that day. I said: Oh, come on, that is good. I get tired -- of course I will get tired today, but that is very nice, very positive. She wants me to show me maybe that she is strong, but it was very -- came from her. We practice in the morning and late afternoon. Of course I agreed. Tired, but I agreed. It was great. It was the first very positive -- the other things compared to Steffi is very difficult because if I say something it could go like I am criticize something of Steffi. You must always believe
me that I am the biggest fan of Steffi. If she is losing or winning, for me she is still the best player ever on this planet.

But Anna is different. She is different. She is a new generation and she likes to work also hard and I only hope that I can bring her as far as I can.
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Q. If the foot is still very painful and you're having a lot of treatment, is it wise to play the doubles?

ANNA KOURNIKOVA: I didn't say that it was very, very painful. I just said that it's normal stage after the injury. You know, sometimes you do get like scar tissue and stuff like that. But it's not like I can't walk or I can't run. It's just sore and it gets swollen. But I think doubles will be a good preparation for me because I need matches.
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Q. Do you have any message for your fans, particularly male fans?

ANNA KOURNIKOVA: (Shaking head.)
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Q. Is there any part of the game you feel needs improvement at the moment? Anything missing?

ANNA KOURNIKOVA: No, I think I'm -- like I say, I think I feel good. I'm playing well, and I just have to continue and play through the matches, you know, and practise a little bit between and continue playing the way I played, and just try to play my game, be aggressive.
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Q. Are you satisfied with you technical improvements?

ANNA KOURNIKOVA: I think I'm playing very well. I was feeling good, I played good the last two tournaments in the States. I'm pretty much in a good shape. As you saw she was very tired, she started cramping; I could go practice now! I'm not tired today. I feel good physically and technically.
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Q. Is your boyfriend here supporting you?

ANNA KOURNIKOVA: No, I don't have a boyfriend.

Q. Have you split up with Sergei?

ANNA KOURNIKOVA: No comment to that.

Q. How do you feel about your form at the moment?

ANNA KOURNIKOVA: Well, I think I'm playing good. I played a few matches at Eastbourne on grass, so I'm feeling well. Like I said, I'm happy I'm through the first round. That's the most -- that was the difficult one. You practise, you wait for the tournament to start and it's good to play already and get it over with, and I'm feeling good, I'm serving well, I served like 7 aces today, so I was happy with that, and I am in pretty good shape.

Q. Do you find your doubles helps your singles play?

ANNA KOURNIKOVA: It always helps singles practice, and especially practice in doubles, playing matches doubles, it's always great. It's good for rallies, and it's very good mentally.

Q. If it's so good, why don't more men play in the doubles, do you think?

ANNA KOURNIKOVA: Because they play five sets, first of all, probably they get more tired.

Q. Anna, are you supporting the WTA's campaign for women to get equal prize money with the men at Wimbledon?

ANNA KOURNIKOVA: Well, I think that yes, why not? I mean, if other tournaments do it, why not this one do it either? But on the other hand, men play five sets, and there are pluses and minuses in it. I'm not like on one side. It's hard to say. But we get better ratings on the TV and stuff. But it's hard to say.

Q. Anna, you say you don't have a boyfriend right now. Would you like one, or are you too busy?

ANNA KOURNIKOVA: I have no comment to that.
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Do your damned research and stop making me do it for you.
 
Jason Swerve said:
So it's the latter. Good to know.
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Still waiting for you to show me where I mentioned Hingis as a comparison to Swiatek. You do have access to all the pages on this thread (there are only 3) and the time to post long diatribes against someone who merely suggested that a GS winner on clay had high potential on the surface, so I assume you can track down my offending post with time to spare.

While you're at it, please show me how Swiatek's social media use affects her ability to practice, since, you know, there are 24 hours in a day. Perhaps you expect her to do nothing but sleep, eat, and practice (which you might, considering you are comparing her with two athletes who were basically finished by the age of 22), but I doubt her coaches are.

Finally, posting random interviews with Kournikova tells me nothing about the effort Swiatek puts in. I have seen nothing credible, from players or coaches, that suggests she doesn't meet the expectations of those around her.
 
Keizer said:
Still waiting for you to show me where I mentioned Hingis as a comparison to Swiatek.
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Keep looking. I know you'll get it.

Keizer said:
While you're at it, please show me how Swiatek's social media use affects her ability to practice, since, you know, there are 24 hours in a day. Perhaps you expect her to do nothing but sleep, eat, and practice (which you might, considering you are comparing her with two athletes who were basically finished by the age of 22), but I doubt her coaches are.
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Don't be a joker. I never hinted she should practice as much as Kournikova. She'd literally faint and have a head injury if she cold-turkey switched to Kournikova's practice regimen. I said her practices are lower 'intensity'. That little edited bull**** she uploaded for Likes clearly suckered you, but it's only working in the rounds because her weak-ass opponents are doing the exact same thing.

"And what?"

Not even a double bagel could get Karolina Pliskova down after an abrupt finish at the Internazionali BNL d'Italia as the former No. 1 shared a (slightly sarcastic) carousel on Instagram.

"Just another Sunday," she wrote along with a flurry of emojis to caption some casual images around the Italian capital in addition to her runner-up trophy.
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You keep struggling to defend this sorry-ass generation for whatever pitiful reason- I have to assume it's because you're from the same generation. Like you can't step out the box for one second to see your peers are simply not as interested. They don't care like the women before them used to. There're other things in life to catch their attention spans. Talking about 'no social media in the '90s'. Take that crappy whining to a blog. Having that disgrace for a #2 flying cross-continent to sit at a Laker's game because she doesn't give a damn about the French. Acting like Kournikova was putting on pounds like Osaka or drifting from the sport like Barty, flopping like a less-successful Michael Jordan, just because the woman took a few damned photos in her off time.

My point wasn't that the '90s players didn't use social media. The Williams used computers. Not nearly as much, but they did. Kournikova and Hingis weren't on PCs at all. PCs and the internet weren't some esoteric phenomenon in the late '90s and early '00s. They still aren't on PCs all that much even today. It's a different mindset that's independent of a generation. Plenty of senior citizens are on social media. Plenty. And there were plenty of forums back then. Plenty of chats. Plenty of video games. Plenty of webpages and newsgroups to get lost in. Let alone if you were rich like them. It doesn't matter. Kournikova made tennis basically her only past-time. She was known to be boring because of it.

I get it. You want Swiatek's generation to do as well as Kournikova's. They won't. And I want them to, just like you. But they won't. Swiatek had no results as a junior compared to Kournikova. Kournikova would've been the junior if not for Hingis. Kournikova probably would've won some singles slams if not for Hingis. It's all relative. Swiatek started weak and grew up to face weaker competition. Kournikova started stronger than Swiatek and grew up to face stronger competition than what Swiatek's facing. Do understand that you barged in on my replying to a guy who wasn't just saying Swiatek had 'high potential on clay': the guy was saying she could surpass Justine friggin' Henin. If you can't see the girl needs to practice as hard as Kournikova to reach that dominance, if you think embarrassing that lazy, flabby, tired Pliskova signals a looming dominance on par with Henin's, the girl must've cast some loopy hypnosis on you squids during the match.

Finally, posting random interviews with Kournikova tells me nothing about the effort Swiatek puts in. I have seen nothing credible, from players or coaches, that suggests she doesn't meet the expectations of those around her.
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You're getting lost again. But let me help you out. The quotes of her during-match practice obsession and unwillingness to self-promote instead of talking tennis are in direct response to this nonsense you threw up.

"Can you show me all the photo shoots Kournikova took part in while she was becoming a sex symbol or was she practicing through those too?"

Again: You're either compulsively lying or something's affected your memory. Same as the first part I'm ignoring. No different from most of the posters here. Not the highest standards for discussion.

>Actually, I just realized you're the thread creator. 'Iga Swiatek: Next Polish superstar.' Biased as all hell towards your little champion hopeful. No wonder it's been a slog, trying to show you some perspective.
 
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Keep looking. I know you'll get it.

>Actually, I just realized you're the thread creator. 'Iga Swiatek: Next Polish superstar.' Biased as all hell towards your little champion hopeful. No wonder it's been a slog, trying to show you some perspective.
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You write this polemic against Gen Z and I'm whining? :-D:-D

Imagine using one Instagram post from a player that literally has done nothing to deserve any vitriol to trash an entire generation. I'm truly sorry for whatever Gen Z has done to you.

Also, yes I created the thread. But if you read my first post, I literally said I wasn't ready to anoint her a future grand slam champ. I continue to keep a healthy level of skepticism about her (and for that matter, anyone's) prospects. She could win 5 more slams or she could win not a single one more. We all know she has weaknesses (footwork, serve, net game) and her future prospects will depend on her addressing them.
 
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Not much point arguing with Jason, he refuses to believe anyone from the current generation can do anything well
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Do you have anything better to do with your time than follow me around and praise Rafael Nadal, a man you'll never meet and who doesn't know you exist? Of course you don't. You don't even have a name. You're an anonymous fan.
 
Keizer said:
You write this polemic against Gen Z and I'm whining? :-D:-D
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You're another fan, and probably not yet in his 20s. No, there's no point in continuing with you, child. Not when you blush and awkwardly laugh at nothing. Then start fake apologizing and trying to altercate...when all I'm doing is calmly stating facts.

First of all, I wasn't talking to you. You barged in on my conversation with someone else.

I said that based on past burnouts of Garros winners, she might not carry on consistently even if she wins the French, and that we shouldn't judge too soon before we have a pattern. I give your teen-crush response a dignified reply that we should be cautious.

>You lash out immediately: "What are you even saying lol?"

I said she practices less than the previous champions, including Hingis.

>You go, "How do you know she practices less than these people?"

I explain to you how much more Hingis and Kournikova practiced. For proof, I showed you this Swiatek girl's 'day of practice' video cuts in the same perfectly clean outfit, not even breaking a sweat, with pretty horrid footwork, I should add. I told you that Kournikova practiced at a harder intensity than Swiatek. I show you Kournikova sweating her ass off at a younger age and about to faint in the heat- because that was everyday life at Bollettieri Academy.

I ignore your pitiful attempts at comparing Swiatek to Djokovic, with you acting like she can not practice at all and still play as well as him. Ridiculous bias.

>You lie, "When did I ever compare her to Hingis, lmfao. Have I even said Hingis’s name once in ththread?" You then tell me to find footage of Swiatek practicing for 6-hours a day, 7 days a week, because I only showed you a 'singular video' of Swiatek practicing. As if the girl practicing as much as Kournikova did would be good for her health.

>"Can you show me all the photo shoots Kournikova took part in while she was becoming a sex symbol or was she practicing through those too?" You accuse Kournikova of being an unmotivated fashion model- as if winning titles directly correlates to how dedicated you are. If that were the case, Kournikova would have 20 slams. There's an obvious balance that these new kids aren't striking since the very strongest of them only has 4 slams against weak draws in damn near 8 years.

Obviously, I showed you quotes of her and her coach indicating her work ethic, to counter that fashion model nonsense.

>You go, "Finally, posting random interviews with Kournikova tells me nothing about the effort Swiatek puts in."

All of this tells me you're a child who loves any sign of your feckless generation competing with the '90s and '00s (not even 'early' '00s- as I said, Ivanovic was stronger than this girl). On top of that, you seem to have a lot of trouble following a basic conversation chain. Don't worry. You wouldn't be the first.

Now, I'm sure you're going to feel validated because "RAFA4LIFE" or whatever the man's name is, found you two days later while searching my history and told you not to argue with me. The guy's too extraordinary to scroll his eyeballs up a few posts and see you started this crap with me. Clearly, it'll be the highlight of your day, but you can go on and pretend it doesn't matter to you. I mean, basic reasoning skills don't matter to you.
 
Jason Swerve said:
You're another fan, and probably not yet in his 20s. No, there's no point in continuing with you, child. Not when you blush and awkwardly laugh at nothing. Then start fake apologizing and trying to altercate...when all I'm doing is calmly stating facts.

First of all, I wasn't talking to you. You barged in on my conversation with someone else.

I said that based on past burnouts of Garros winners, she might not carry on consistently even if she wins the French, and that we shouldn't judge too soon before we have a pattern. I give your teen-crush response a dignified reply that we should be cautious.

>You lash out immediately: "What are you even saying lol?"

I said she practices less than the previous champions, including Hingis.

>You go, "How do you know she practices less than these people?"

I explain to you how much more Hingis and Kournikova practiced. For proof, I showed you this Swiatek girl's 'day of practice' video cuts in the same perfectly clean outfit, not even breaking a sweat, with pretty horrid footwork, I should add. I told you that Kournikova practiced at a harder intensity than Swiatek. I show you Kournikova sweating her ass off at a younger age and about to faint in the heat- because that was everyday life at Bollettieri Academy.

I ignore your pitiful attempts at comparing Swiatek to Djokovic, with you acting like she can not practice at all and still play as well as him. Ridiculous bias.

>You lie, "When did I ever compare her to Hingis, lmfao. Have I even said Hingis’s name once in ththread?" You then tell me to find footage of Swiatek practicing for 6-hours a day, 7 days a week, because I only showed you a 'singular video' of Swiatek practicing. As if the girl practicing as much as Kournikova did would be good for her health.

>"Can you show me all the photo shoots Kournikova took part in while she was becoming a sex symbol or was she practicing through those too?" You accuse Kournikova of being an unmotivated fashion model- as if winning titles directly correlates to how dedicated you are. If that were the case, Kournikova would have 20 slams. There's an obvious balance that these new kids aren't striking since the very strongest of them only has 4 slams against weak draws in damn near 8 years.

Obviously, I showed you quotes of her and her coach indicating her work ethic, to counter that fashion model nonsense.

>You go, "Finally, posting random interviews with Kournikova tells me nothing about the effort Swiatek puts in."

All of this tells me you're a child who loves any sign of your feckless generation competing with the '90s and '00s (not even 'early' '00s- as I said, Ivanovic was stronger than this girl). On top of that, you seem to have a lot of trouble following a basic conversation chain. Don't worry. You wouldn't be the first.

Now, I'm sure you're going to feel validated because "RAFA4LIFE" or whatever the man's name is, found you two days later while searching my history and told you not to argue with me. The guy's too extraordinary to scroll his eyeballs up a few posts and see you started this crap with me. Clearly, it'll be the highlight of your day, but you can go on and pretend it doesn't matter to you. I mean, basic reasoning skills don't matter to you.
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