I'm Sorry, the comments here about Nadal are ridiculus

Federer knows this part of the rivalry is not hugely important. After winning 2017 Australian Open he said he wished he could share it with Nadal, and he wouldn't have minded losing. The damage to Federer was done many years ago during the prime years, that is why Nadal will always be remembered as one of the greatest, because he was the only player that had the upper hand on Federer.
 
REKX said:
I think you need to watch the whole match.

In terms of quality its the best I have seen, and many tennis journalists, current and retired players and pundits also believe this is the greatest match.

For me Federer is the greatest for reasons everyone knows, and then closely followed by Nadal.

Nadal had the most difficult competition out of any player in history. Prime Federer years and then followed by Prime Djokovic, yet he is alone second of all time in the grand slam list.

Nadal's weakest surface is grass. I think it's an amazing accomplishment that he has won the competition more than once, but he also beat the greatest grass court player of all time.
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I saw it live and have seen later also.
Amazing accomplishment for Nadal - ok, yes.
That does not change the match that it is one damned over hyped match.
And tennis journalists and all - they say what sells well. Nothing new there.

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Nadaleks are the worst, I am sorry to say, if only because it is a smallish coterie of fanatics who make a lot of noise for their weight.
MichaelNadal said:
You better slay. OP is on point, the Nadal hate on here IS ridiculous, but don't let the butthurt stop you all!
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If Federer had in the past this "I'm old, I'm out, I've nothing to lose" attitude which he has the last 3-4 years against Nadal, maybe Nadal won't were so famous...
 
The OP is mostly correct except for the part where it says that Federer and Nadal are "nowhere near their best in 2017" - actually they have both shown several glimpses of the kind of play that brought them success in their absolute peak years. They have both got incredible backhands now, arguably their best ever. Easy power, great control. Both probably serving as well as they ever have on a day-to-day basis, especially against the field.
Every time they face off, it's a significant occasion as they have defined each other's legacies. Difficult to mention one without mentioning the other. Which is why the AO was super significant this year. It has changed the dynamic of this rivalry, which was otherwise firmly in Nadal's favour. Wimbledon 2008 was extremely signficant, but so was this AO - this was a "legacy match" of sorts, with so much on the line.
 
Krish872007 said:
The OP is mostly correct except for the part where it says that Federer and Nadal are "nowhere near their best in 2017" - actually they have both shown several glimpses of the kind of play that brought them success in their absolute peak years. They have both got incredible backhands now, arguably their best ever. Easy power, great control. Both probably serving as well as they ever have on a day-to-day basis, especially against the field.
Every time they face off, it's a significant occasion as they have defined each other's legacies. Difficult to mention one without mentioning the other. Which is why the AO was super significant this year. It has changed the dynamic of this rivalry, which was otherwise firmly in Nadal's favour. Wimbledon 2008 was extremely signficant, but so was this AO - this was a "legacy match" of sorts, with so much on the line.
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Still, the timing of his thread seems curious.

Basically, Federer has got the better of Nadal lately, so 2017 won't count.

If Nadal was still in the driver's seat in the rivalry this year, would this thread even exist? Would the OP still proclaim himself as a Fedal fan?
 
REKX said:
Federer knows this part of the rivalry is not hugely important. After winning 2017 Australian Open he said he wished he could share it with Nadal, and he wouldn't have minded losing. The damage to Federer was done many years ago during the prime years, that is why Nadal will always be remembered as one of the greatest, because he was the only player that had the upper hand on Federer.
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Now I can say for sure this a troll thread brought up due to bitterness of how Federer has handled Nadal this year. Thanks for clarifying, some are coping by saying Nadal was injured, others are saying Nadal did not play well and others like you are coping by saying it doesn't matter. I hope you feel better soon.
 
Bartelby said:
I am just noting their ubiquity and the fact that you are now noting it proves my point.
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2 vs like 40..........
They SHOULD be throwing fans at yall :p

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cc0509 said:
No, I'm not saying that Federer is inferior to Nadal on grass as that would be asinine! I'm saying that some of the excuses that Fed fans make for that Wimbledon 2008 loss are laughable. Federer was in great form at that Wimbledon and didn't drop a set before the final. The match could have gone either way but Nadal found a way to win. It was a huge accomplishment for Nadal and shouldn't be minimized IMO.
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As long as the Vamos Brigadiers continue to diminish the 2007 win on the grounds of Nadal being "way below his prime, much worse than in 2008", they deserve to have the 2008 win 'minimized'. Neither is (demonstrably) worse than the other one. They want to have their cake and eat it, too - don't let them.

I am happy enough to acknowledge that both finals were close in quality and importance, so we can consider them even.
 
cc0509 said:
Of course he should, at least IMO. Nadal was the stronger player mentally and that's an important asset. He wrote in his book that he knew that he had the mental advantage and that it was a huge element of their rivalry.
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So you don't buy the weak era mug opponent garbage? Good to hear!
 
Xavier G said:
Federer's 36, five years older than Nadal, and beating him in straight sets repeatedly. He's having a great run v Rafa much like Rafa did against Roger in Roger's worst year of 2013.

This time Rafa's no.1 and Roger's no.2, both in good form especially Rafa who was on a 16 match winning streak. No excuses, don't want to hear nonsense about injuries. Sure, Djokovic and Murray dipped this year. I'm sure they'll be back. Right now, these two, Nadal and Federer are the number 1 and 2 in the world.
Anyway, rivalries change, nothing stays the same, form dips, players get older, players change strategies, change their games and even their rackets, lol!

Fanboys/fangirls and their excuses...
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Basically
 
REKX said:
I am a Federer and Nadal fan, but the Nadal hate is ridiculus.

Lets do a fair analysis of what is going on.

Both Federer and Nadal are not even close to how they were at their prime. Federer isn't regarded greatest of all time because he won 2 slams in 2017 with no challengers from the current generation or new. Same with Nadal, he isn't generally regarded as the second greatest and greatest on clay because of 2017 against a weak clay court and over all court field.

They made their achievements because of what they done in their prime, they took tennis to a new level. And importantly, Nadal at his prime was beating Federer, especially that Federer has never beaten Nadal (and probably never will) at the French Open, whereas Nadal beat Federer at Wimbledon in 2008 when Federer was playing unbelievably well, didn't drop a set till the final.

Nadal is not even close to the player he was, Federer also. But Nadal's game is so much more dependent on his physical ability.

Normally at this stage, whilst the top players are nearing retirement, the new generation emerge, a few 22-23 year Federer/Nadal type players start dominating and become the main challengers. This obviously hasn't happened which is why we are seeing two players close to retirement battling for major competitions because there is no competition.

As a Federer and Nadal fan, this is amazing for me because I feel lucky to still watch them, they may be half a step slower but they are my favorite players.
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Get out of here, that's stupid nonsense.
 
Gary Duane said:
Fans of both Fed and Nadal:

I happen to be one. At first I did not want to watch the match today because of that and was only comfortable because it was not close.

I have always put them close to even, still do.

OP would have been better off to say that:

Fed has never beaten Nadal at RG.

BUT

Nadal has beaten Fed at Wimbledon.

Point for the VB.

Nadal has never seriously challenged Fed at the WTF, highlighting Fed's dominance in venues requiring pinpoint precision and ultra-fast reflexes.

Point for Fed Fan.

Off the top of my head I could give 10 reasons why either is better than the other, playing that game, but I still see them as remarkably even with very different strengths, and if both end up with around the same number of slams, the discussion is going to go on for decades.

Meanwhile, the debates, usually ugly arguments between fan bases, have not changed a bit since I joined this forum.

Bottom line: you can tell impartial people from FANatics by the way they argue. The biases always give away intent.
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A pretty reflected comment, but still, aside from their H2H there is nothing on Nadal's side.
That's why every sane tennis follower sees Fed as the overall greater player.
That might change in the future, we don't know yet, but right now, those discussions are ridiculous.

I'm just happy both can play freely again right now and somewhat revived their rivalry.
Great for tennis.
 
REKX said:
Federer knows this part of the rivalry is not hugely important. After winning 2017 Australian Open he said he wished he could share it with Nadal, and he wouldn't have minded losing. The damage to Federer was done many years ago during the prime years, that is why Nadal will always be remembered as one of the greatest, because he was the only player that had the upper hand on Federer.
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No, no, it was hugely important because had he lost, Nadal would be closing the gap on him. You guys from the ************* would like to believe this chapter is not important because it upsets you to see the narrative changing but there's no way a ****ing slam final isn't important and I'd bet my last dollar on you singing a different tune had Nadal won.
 
Dolgopolov85 said:
No, no, it was hugely important because had he lost, Nadal would be closing the gap on him. You guys from the ************* would like to believe this chapter is not important because it upsets you to see the narrative changing but there's no way a ****ing slam final isn't important and I'd bet my last dollar on you singing a different tune had Nadal won.
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Exactly. All of a sudden for some people 2017 doesn't matter in the Fedal rivalry.

Some of them even take into account 2013-early 2014, but 2017 suddenly doesn't matter :rolleyes:
 
Happy to see that most never believed the OP from the beginning of this thread. Don't let him fool you. He only has 20 or so posts ;), but the mask falls off eventually. I've seen it in other threads besides this one (even though he only has a few posts).
 
Hitman said:
Now I can say for sure this a troll thread brought up due to bitterness of how Federer has handled Nadal this year. Thanks for clarifying, some are coping by saying Nadal was injured, others are saying Nadal did not play well and others like you are coping by saying it doesn't matter. I hope you feel better soon.
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Hitman said:
It is quite funny how some are coping. I saw one Nadal fan on the match thread deciding to run away and hide from the boards after watching what was happening in that first set.
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Quite some shades you're throwing there, Hitman ;). Yes it may look 'funny' from outside. But we're all from the outside looking in this time and from the inside looking out the other time. So yes, funny this time. The other times, maybe not so much.

Well, I can't speak for any Rafa fan. In fact I'm a Fedal fan elvolving from a Fed fan (die hard double Swiss it was) (yep, Fedal fans are not unicorns ;).) But here's a view from an insider this time.

I didn't say Rafa was injured and blamed it for the loss. I know perfectly well what Fed is capable of. I'm not his fan for only how "cute" he is.

But it's clear Rafa had some problem with his knee, confirmed by Grosjean (he and his team still refuse to talk about it), if the sudden appearance of the bandage and his slower movement weren't indicative enough.

(Unless of course to some Mastroenians it's just another antic of that cheating bull, a premade excuse for the inevitable loss because he was still running like a bunny on juice ( carrot? ;).)

I know many Rafa fans were extremely disappointed and pissed about the loss. I wasn't. Fed won it fair and square and was simply the better player, like he always has been outside clay, especially on that court.

Personally I was (and still am) only worried whether he's injured or not and that there's a chance he might aggravate any problem he was having, now matter how minor. Given his story and also a fan's history, one can be forgiven to feel and think so. And I guess there're other fans like me out there as well.

Yes so it was bothering me and affecting my watching the final. But I would have felt just the same had Fed worn an undershirt, moved " slower, and been too nervy.

Like Garry Duane I was relieved because it's not close. Not sure if we had the same reason. But it has never been easy anyway.

Still I know for sure I'm not coping anything. Just some worries. Some conflicted feelings.

Hitman said:
It is quite funny how some are coping. I saw one Nadal fan on the match thread deciding to run away and hide from the boards after watching what was happening in that first set.
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Now I think maybe I can speak a bit for this particular fan (no idea who), hope he or she won't mind.

I think it's perfectly normal to feel bad and not want to go back to the thread/forum during a time like that (or this). Nothing strange or "coward" about it imo. That happens all the time in every fan base. Still hanging around doesn't necessarily mean "coping well/better" or "brave" imo.

But hitman, I thought normally the word "coping" would sound more sympathetic? ;)
 
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Charleneriva said:
Quite some shades you're throwing there, Hitman ;). Yes it may look 'funny' from outside. But we're all from the outside looking in this time and from the inside looking out the other time. So yes, funny this time. The other times, maybe not so much.

Well, I can't speak for any Rafa fan. In fact I'm a Fedal fan elvolving from a Fed fan (die hard double Swiss it was) (yep, Fedal fans are not unicorns ;).) But here's a view from an insider this time.

I didn't say Rafa was injured and blamed it for the loss. I know perfectly well what Fed is capable of. I'm not his fan for only how "cute" he is.

But it's clear Rafa had some problem with his knee, confirmed by Grosjean (he and his team still refuse to talk about it), if the sudden appearance of the bandage and his slower movement weren't indicative enough.

(Unless of course to some Mastroenians it's just another antic of that cheating bull, a premade excuse for the inevitable loss because he was still running like a bunny on juice ( carrot? ;).)

I know many Rafa fans were extremely disappointed and pissed about the loss. I wasn't. Fed won it fair and square and was simply the better player, like he always has been outside clay, especially on that court.

Personally I was (and still am) only worried whether he's injured or not and that there's a chance he might aggravate any problem he was having, now matter how minor. Given his story and also a fan's history, one can be forgiven to feel and think so. And I guess there're other fans like me out there as well.

Yes so it was bothering me and affecting my watching the final. But I would have felt just the same had Fed worn an undershirt and moved "different".

Like Garry Duane I was relieved because it's not close. Not sure if we had the same reason. But it has never been easy anyway.

Still I know for sure I'm not coping anything. Just some worries. Some conflicted feelings.



Now I think maybe I can speak a bit for this particular fan (no idea who), hope he or she won't mind.

I think it's perfectly normal to feel bad and not want to go back to the thread/forum during a time like that (or this). Nothing strange or "coward" about it imo. That happens all the time in every fan base. Still hanging around doesn't necessarily mean "coping well/better" or "brave" imo.

But hitman, I thought normally the word "coping" would sound more sympathetic? ;)
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This thread got the response it needed. When someone comes out and says 2017 didn't matter, I find it funny to see what lengths certain fans can go to cope with it and then project it onto others. There are many many great Nadal fans here, who were very gracious and sportsman like in their reaction, my comment is to address those few who put up stuff like this, which not only incites negativity, but then brings about unwarranted hate upon Nadal and the actual decent fans of his. As for the one that ran away, well, if you know the posting history of that person, you would know why I said it. This isn't shade, I am outright saying that the actions of a few are unfortunately bring suffered by the majority.
 
In 2008 Federer was unwell and tired after all those dominance, Nadal and uncle picked on it quickly once Federer lost AO. Uncle Toni knows sports psychology.

Of course Nadal did improve to hit deeper and Federer lost fair and square. From 07 wimby Federer's game didn't improve at all.

These are 2 of the factors Nadal won, another factor is being the more hungry and younger player. I will say such a loss is coming for Federer and same for other players like Nadal and Djokovic and Murray, once your game didn't improve u will lose.

Federer suffered from mono and then depression that year and missed a lot of backhands in that final. That match has no business going 5 sets. Nadal nearly threw it away because he was nervous.
 
Hitman said:
This thread got the response it needed. When someone comes out and says 2017 didn't matter, I find it funny to see what lengths certain fans can go to cope with it and then project it onto others. There are many many great Nadal fans here, who were very gracious and sportsman like in their reaction, my comment is to address those few who put up stuff like this, which not only incites negativity, but then brings about unwarranted hate upon Nadal and the actual decent fans of his. As for the one that ran away, well, if you know the posting history of that person, you would know why I said it. This isn't shade, I am outright saying that the actions of a few are unfortunately bring suffered by the majority.
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I think I get what you mean, hitman. Sorry if I offended or mistook you. I only replied mostly to clarify about the injury thing, because it seems that word is being prohibited here.

Any Rafa fan saying that word even not to blame for the loss or say that Rafa must be injured is a salty/(insert more expressive adjectives) fan that should get shooed away like what's happening on this board. I mean there are fans who are worried, not blaming or denying the reality.

Yes I also don't like threads like this at all. It only goes in the direction like you said. But also I haven't come across a "2017 doesn't matter" comment, unless you mean the OP?

Maybe he meant it, maybe not. Many here are even mocking him and accusing him of lying just because he said he liked both Fed and Rafa, and that Fedal fans can not exist.

As for that running away fan, yes it's true I was just meaning a general Rafa fan. I don't know who that was and his/her history. So sorry if I mistook you. But really, it's not 'shade throwing" from my part at all when I used that phrase. Just a way to say it without a better phrase. I know you're one of the fairest posters here. I guess I was talking both in general and also about me as an awkward Fedal fan while you were talking about specific Rafa fans and the "consequences". So maybe a little bit of lost in translation. My bad. Sorry about that.
 
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Sudacafan said:
Gimme a break. To be a Federer and Nadal fan at the same time is almost impossible.
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It's not. Well, not completely impossible, at least.

I root for Fed in any match he plays, no questions asked, but I really like Rafa as well. About the only reasons I sometimes root against Rafa is if he's playing Fed or because I don't want him to surpass Fed's major titles haul.
 
Charleneriva said:
I think I get what you mean, hitman. Sorry if I offended or mistook you. I only replied mostly to clarify about the injury thing, because it seems that word is being prohibited here.

Any Rafa fan saying that word even not to blame for the loss or say that Rafa must be injured is a salty/(insert more expressive adjectives) fan that should get shooed away like what's happening on this board. I mean there are fans who are worried, not blaming or denying the reality.

Yes I also don't like threads like this at all. It only goes in the direction like you said. But also I haven't come across a "2017 doesn't matter" comment, unless you mean the OP?

Maybe he meant it, maybe not. Many here are even mocking him and accusing him of lying just because he said he liked both Fed and Rafa, and that Fedal fans can not exist.

As for that running away fan, yes it's true I was just meaning a general Rafa fan. I don't know who that was and his/her history. So sorry if I mistook you. But really, it's not 'shade throwing" from my part at all when I used that phrase. Just a way to say it without a better phrase. I know you're one of the fairest posters here. I guess I was talking both in general and also about me as an awkward Fedal fan while you were talking about specific Rafa fans and the "consequences". So maybe a little bit of lost in translation. My bad. Sorry about that.
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Hey, its ok. You can ask me to clarify anything, because the last thing I want is for my comments to be taken the wrong way. As I said majority of Nadal fans here are great, and I consider many to be good friends of mine. It is a shame that they have to deal with stuff like this when they are being classy like Nadal has been. :)
 
Hitman said:
Hey, its ok. You can ask me to clarify anything, because the last thing I want is for my comments to be taken the wrong way. As I said majority of Nadal fans here are great, and I consider many to be good friends of mine. It is a shame that they have to deal with stuff like this when they are being classy like Nadal has been. :)
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Thanks, wiseman. I was a bit too hasty (and maybe overemotional as usual). :oops:

You're a classy Fedovic fan (if I'm not mistaken) yourself. :)
 
Where do people get this idea that Federer was weak in 2007 and 2008?

He was breaking all sorts of records during that time and dominating the field except for Nadal.

2007 Federer is probably the best he has ever been. Before that the field was weak, Nadal was only a clay court specialist. No proper Djokovic, no Murray. So people hate Nadal so much, they say Federer was weak because he was pushed to 5 sets? Please that is stupid. Federer dominated that year.

Nadal's game always matched up well to Federer's, from the beginning Nadal was beating Federer consistently except for grass and indoor hard.

Even in 2017 Australian, Nadal's classic tactics worked pretty well against Federer, he was up a break in the 5th. You have to remember Nadal has lost a lot of speed compared to his best form, of course he is over 30 so that is only natural.
 
Krish872007 said:
The OP is mostly correct except for the part where it says that Federer and Nadal are "nowhere near their best in 2017" - actually they have both shown several glimpses of the kind of play that brought them success in their absolute peak years. They have both got incredible backhands now, arguably their best ever. Easy power, great control. Both probably serving as well as they ever have on a day-to-day basis, especially against the field.
Every time they face off, it's a significant occasion as they have defined each other's legacies. Difficult to mention one without mentioning the other. Which is why the AO was super significant this year. It has changed the dynamic of this rivalry, which was otherwise firmly in Nadal's favour. Wimbledon 2008 was extremely signficant, but so was this AO - this was a "legacy match" of sorts, with so much on the line.
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No you are very wrong, they are no where near their best form. A lack of competition is helping them "dominate" this year.

Federer said he didn't mind losing end of this years Australian - just shows he thinks it was insignificant as well. 2009 Australian Open he cried because it meant so much.

You do know in tennis speed is a huge huge part of someone's game. Federer and Nadal will always give a good game, because Nadal's game generally matches up well to Federer's. But compare the 2017 Australian to 2009, there is a big difference in quality, the 2009 people consider as the greatest Australian Open final of all time because it had higher level play - their speed and form were much much greater than in 2017.
 
Nadal and Federer may have both returned to form in 2017, but the dynamics of their direct matchup have flipped the other way. Whereas in the past, Nadal had the edge due to his relentlessness and his particular targeting of Federer's backhand with topspin high balls, now Federer is more lights out aggressive and Nadal isn't as relentless with his movement and intent. Federer now has the edge over Nadal in direct matchup.

Nadal hasn't beaten Federer now since the 2014 Australian semi finals. Whether this stays the case, we'll see, but Nadal has to change something.
 
User123 said:
Hmm...What is the purpose of that thread? o_O
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I think we can guess what the purpose of this thread is:

"And importantly, Nadal at his prime was beating Federer, especially that Federer has never beaten Nadal (and probably never will) at the French Open, whereas Nadal beat Federer at Wimbledon in 2008 when Federer was playing unbelievably well, didn't drop a set till the final."
 
the green god said:
I think we can guess what the purpose of this thread is:

"And importantly, Nadal at his prime was beating Federer, especially that Federer has never beaten Nadal (and probably never will) at the French Open, whereas Nadal beat Federer at Wimbledon in 2008 when Federer was playing unbelievably well, didn't drop a set till the final."
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The purpose of this thread is bring up the past to deflect from the present. Even though Nadal won the US Open, his “fans” are triggered by Nadal losing to Federer. Because everyone knows that’s Fedhaters favorite trump card is Nadal and Djokovic.
 
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