IMO Novak Djokovic is THE BEST EVER

[uliks]

Yes OP. I think you could be onto something here.

And even the mighty El Matador agrees with you.

http://www.tennis-prose.com/articles/nadal-says-djokovic-plays-superior-tennis-to-federer/

Rafael Nadal has seen the tennis genius of Roger Federer up close and persona; over 30 times, including ATP matches and exhibitions. But Nadal believes Djokovic has performed the finest tennis he’s ever witnessed.

“It’s probably the highest level of tennis that I ever saw,” Nadal said in London this week about his arch-rival Djokovic, whom he has lost to in all six finals this year, on three different surfaces.

 

[Soul_Evisceration]

You were banned for your contribution to this forum Try harder

As you should of been as well but I guess favoritism and BS politics can be quite a factor too.

 

[swordtennis]

I agree he is one of the best ever. He has never had it easy and his highest level of play was monstrous. Fedal have been the most greedy diabolical pairing to have to compete against in the modern open era. Lets be frank Clay Goat and arguable grass goat and prob most def hard court goat. And look at his record against them. Granted he does stumble in that last match in the majors. If he can bag 3 more majors he is right up there.
I do not listen to the hate filled non objective.

 

[Djokovic2011]

Of course a win is a win, and Djokovic beating Federer at the USO 10 and 11 in absolutely legit. The OP is discussing the level of play, and frankly Federer>Djokovic in terms of level at the USO as evidenced by 5>1 titles and 3-2 H2H (with one of his wins requiring Federer's mental breakdown).
Also, Djokovic didn't have it tougher in terms of opposition. He only has himself to blame for screwing his 2012 and 2014 (semi)finals up.

Djokovic did have it tougher. Unless you think Hewitt and Roddick are stiffer competition than Nadal and peak Murray.

 

[swordtennis]

Noelan and all the Djokovic fans are nowhere near the worst. Fedal has the worst. Some of the Federer fans are blood thirsty.

 

[swordtennis]

On top of Fedal he has to deal with Murray, Stanimal, Ferrer, Cilic, Nishikori, etc...
Murray might be mental but he is a helluva great player when playing well. I refuse to except that he is not a great player.

 

[Djokovic2011]

Has Djokovic produced a level of tennis as good as Nadal's RG 2008 destruction or Federer's emphatic '04 US Slam Final win over Hewitt?

The closest I can think was his AO final performance in 2011. If we're talking non slams then I think his level of play in Rome that year is certainly comparable.

 

[tennisaddict]

Djokovic did have it tougher. Unless you think Hewitt and Roddick are stiffer competition than Nadal and peak Murray.

This joke comes up often. How come Djokovic is having it tougher since 2011 when

- Fed is aged 30-33 ?

- Rafa injured every other year (2012, 2014)

- Novak is losing much before to Stan , Nishikori and old Fed before even getting to Rafa.

- Losing in your prime to Murray ..LOL. Novak should take classes from Fed on how to play Murray at majors.

 

[Djokovic2011]

"Swimming in the ocean is more fun than being protected in some pathetic pond". Hahaha, don't ever change Nathaniel. :smile:

 

[Djokovic2011]

This joke comes up often. How come Djokovic is having it tougher since 2011 when

- Fed is aged 30-33 ?

- Rafa injured every other year (2012, 2014)

- Novak is losing much before to Stan , Nishikori and old Fed before even getting to Rafa.

- Losing in your prime to Murray ..LOL. Novak should take classes from Fed on how to play Murray at majors.

I was talking about the USO specifically tennisaddict, not overall.

 

[tennisaddict]

On top of Fedal he has to deal with Murray, Stanimal, Ferrer, Cilic, Nishikori, etc...
Murray might be mental but he is a helluva great player when playing well. I refuse to except that he is not a great player.

Novak is just a big choker when it comes to big matches as evidenced by his 8-8 finals record.

You can come with any kind of excuse, but losing 50% of finals just shows he is not the "big match" player like Fed and Rafa.

 

[Djokovic2011]

Novak is just a big choker when it comes to big matches as evidenced by his 8-8 finals record.

You can come with any kind of excuse, but losing 50% of finals just shows he is not the "big match" player like Fed and Rafa.

He's actually 8-7 in Slam finals, the same as Agassi and Connors.

 

[swordtennis]

Novak is just a big choker when it comes to big matches as evidenced by his 8-8 finals record.

You can come with any kind of excuse, but losing 50% of finals just shows he is not the "big match" player like Fed and Rafa.

Never said otherwise. However he is 8-7 in major finals. Lendl had problems too yet he does not get penalized like Djokovic. Lendl is still greater but if Djokovic can get some more big titles and a couple majors he will surpass Lendl.

 

[tennisaddict]

I was talking about the USO specifically tennisaddict, not overall.

Roddick on hard is very much comparable to Rafa on hard. Those of us who have watched Roddick between 2003-07 know this.

Hewitt is easily comparable to Murray as well.

 

[Nathaniel_Near]

Djokovic needs to make hay while the sun is shining, which is right now, this year and maybe 2016.

 

[Djesus]

He's actually 8-7 in Slam finals, the same as Agassi and Connors.

Ikr? And yet they don't get crucified for it.

Novak's final oppponent losses has consisted of Federer, Nadal and Murray. He's 3-4 against Nadal, 1-1 against Federer and 3-2 against Murray, but apparently he's a big choker.

I'm sure if he had Baghdatis, Philippoussis, Gonzales etc in GS finals he would be considered a "big match player" :lol:

 

[RF-18]

For me he is definatly up there with Federer.

 

[beast of mallorca]

Ikr? And yet they don't get crucified for it.

Novak's final oppponent losses has consisted of Federer, Nadal and Murray. He's 3-4 against Nadal, 1-1 against Federer and 3-2 against Murray, but apparently he's a big choker.

I'm sure if he had Baghdatis, Philippoussis, Gonzales etc in GS finals he would be considered a "big match player" :lol:

Hahaha........too much epic in this one.......:twisted:
And don't forget the Legendary ARod :lol:

 

[tennisaddict]

Never said otherwise. However he is 8-7 in major finals. Lendl had problems too yet he does not get penalized like Djokovic. Lendl is still greater but if Djokovic can get some more big titles and a couple majors he will surpass Lendl.

1. People dont hype Lendl as much as Novak.

2. Lendl does get penalized . When you talk of Lendl, 8-11 record is what that gets mentioned first.

 

[Nathaniel_Near]

It's not about who Djokovic is losing to but more what we see actually happening in those matches. Come on guys, we've seen Nole put in some questionable mental efforts in some of these Slam finals even though they are against great opposition. Doesn't Nadal even call Djokovic temperamental (but extremely talented) in his book? It's a big part of why he hired TheBoris.

 

[Djesus]

Hahaha........too much epic in this one.......:twisted:
And don't forget the Legendary ARod :lol:

Nice One Piece avatar.

Dressrossa arc is dragging along bro :twisted:

 

[tennisaddict]

Ikr? And yet they don't get crucified for it.

Novak's final oppponent losses has consisted of Federer, Nadal and Murray. He's 3-4 against Nadal, 1-1 against Federer and 3-2 against Murray, but apparently he's a big choker.

I'm sure if he had Baghdatis, Philippoussis, Gonzales etc in GS finals he would be considered a "big match player" :lol:

Like how you say a win is a win , whether it was saving a MP or otherwise, the same rules apply.

Why the double standards whether the win came against Rafa or Baghdatis ?

And you need to play 6 matches before you get to the finals.

 

[Djesus]

Like how you say a win is a win , whether it was saving a MP or otherwise, the same rules apply.

Why the double standards whether the win came against Rafa or Baghdatis ?

And you need to play 6 matches before you get to the finals.

I quote you:

- Fed is aged 30-33 ?

- Rafa injured every other year (2012, 2014)

- Novak is losing much before to Stan , Nishikori and old Fed before even getting to Rafa.

- Losing in your prime to Murray ..LOL. Novak should take classes from Fed on how to play Murray at majors.

A win is a win...no? Same rules apply to Novak, no? Oh wai-

 

[Djokovic2011]

Roddick on hard is very much comparable to Rafa on hard. Those of us who have watched Roddick between 2003-07 know this.

Hewitt is easily comparable to Murray as well.

I'm sorry but Roddick's best level on a hard court doesn't hold a candle to Nadal's. I watched a highlights video on you tube last night(Nadal-Djokovic the best rivalry ever) and Nadal's level in that 2013 USO final was scary good, in fact I'd forgotten just how good. I have a new found respect for his HC game after watching it and no one will ever be able to convince me that players like Roddick or Hewitt came anywhere close to what he produced that year.

 

[RF-18]

"Rafael has won more titles than Novak Djokovic, but speaking merely about tennis and about the game, Rafa has to be considered slightly lower than Djokovic. The Serb is such a good player that he is as close as you can get to Roger Federer

.

Regards, - Antonio "Toni" Nadal Homar.

Djokovic will soon also back up with titles also, as being one of the greatest.

 

[swordtennis]

Ikr? And yet they don't get crucified for it.

Novak's final oppponent losses has consisted of Federer, Nadal and Murray. He's 3-4 against Nadal, 1-1 against Federer and 3-2 against Murray, but apparently he's a big choker.

I'm sure if he had Baghdatis, Philippoussis, Gonzales etc in GS finals he would be considered a "big match player" :lol:

Good one and it is true. The thing is also is that Djokovic would have overcome his choking against those opponents and won those finals. Against Fedalurray that mental weakness is not allowed.

 

[swordtennis]

It's not about who Djokovic is losing to but more what we see actually happening in those matches. Come on guys, we've seen Nole put in some questionable mental efforts in some of these Slam finals even though they are against great opposition. Doesn't Nadal even call Djokovic temperamental (but extremely talented) in his book? It's a big part of why he hired TheBoris.

True he needs to get with it and win 2-3 majors in the next couple years. He would most likely have beaten those lesser opponents in the finals. Fedalurry do not allow mental weakness and pounce on it.

 

[tennisaddict]

I quote you:


A win is a win...no? Same rules apply to Novak, no? Oh wai-

You should show that gif to Djokovic2011 since he was the one who said Novak had it tougher.

 

[Djokovic2011]

Good one and it is true. The thing is also is that Djokovic would have overcome his choking against those opponents and won those finals. Against Fedal that mental weakness is not allowed.

So true. Even though Novak wasn't at his very best in those USO finals he played against Fedal, the level he displayed would still have been good enough against any other player. He really has been unlucky over the years not to have some lesser opponents to play in major finals, although I guess Nadal fans could argue the same thing.

 

[swordtennis]

I'm sorry but Roddick's best level on a hard court doesn't hold a candle to Nadal's. I watched a highlights video on you tube last night(Nadal-Djokovic the best rivalry ever) and Nadal's level in that 2013 USO final was scary good, in fact I'd forgotten just how good. I have a new found respect for his HC game after watching it and no one will ever be able to convince me that players like Roddick or Hewitt came anywhere close to what he produced that year.

Agreed. 2013 USO Nadal was so good he might have burned himself out. That hard court run and beating Djokovic was no easy feat. Djokovic might have been mentally weak after all the tough final losses but that does not take away from that USO series run.

 

[TommyA8X]

Djokovic did have it tougher. Unless you think Hewitt and Roddick are stiffer competition than Nadal and peak Murray.

Yes I think peak Hewitt>peak Murray at the USO. Also Delpo 2009 very close to Nadal (Delpo anihilated Nadal in 09 USO, just as Murray did in 08). Now add Djokovic 2007-09 into equation and... Yes I think they've had it equally tough.

 

[tennisaddict]

I'm sorry but Roddick's best level on a hard court doesn't hold a candle to Nadal's. I watched a highlights video on you tube last night(Nadal-Djokovic the best rivalry ever) and Nadal's level in that 2013 USO final was scary good, in fact I'd forgotten just how good. I have a new found respect for his HC game after watching it and no one will ever be able to convince me that players like Roddick or Hewitt came anywhere close to what he produced that year.

Is that your consolation mechanism for letting slip a 3rd set break advantage and then a 4-4, 0-40 Rafa service game ?

Rafa was ordinary for Set 1 (Novak was literally sleeping) and pathetic for Sets 2 and Set 3 until that point 9th game.

Some of us remember matches and don't need to rewatch YT highlights.

 

[swordtennis]

So true. Even though Novak wasn't at his very best in those USO finals he played against Fedal, the level he displayed would still have been good enough against any other player. He really has been unlucky over the years not to have some lesser opponents to play in major finals, although I guess Nadal fans could argue the same thing.

True. Federer is a much easier out for Nadal than Djokovic so I think it is a bit easier for Nadal. Even when Djokovic is not playing well Nadal has to zone to beat him. Nadal just bullies Federer.

 

[Djokovic2011]

Is that your consolation mechanism for letting slip a 3rd set break advantage and then a 4-4, 0-40 Rafa service game ?

Rafa was ordinary for Set 1 (Novak was literally sleeping) and pathetic for Sets 2 and Set 3 until that point 9th game.

Some of us remember matches and don't need to rewatch YT highlights.

No consolation at all, I'm simply telling it how I saw it. As I've already said, Novak wasn't at his very best but Nadal still played a great match, certainly better than anything I ever saw from Mr. Roddick over the years.

 

[Djesus]

You should show that gif to Djokovic2011 since he was the one who said Novak had it tougher.

Why would I? You're the one who's saying a 8 GS champion is a choker.

Also, what he said is true. Novak has had it tougher to win slams because you know...he's had to face Nadal or Federer to get most of them. You're in denial if you don't think so.

 

[swordtennis]

Yes I think peak Hewitt>peak Murray at the USO. Also Delpo 2009 very close to Nadal (Delpo anihilated Nadal in 09 USO, just as Murray did in 08). Now add Djokovic 2007-09 into equation and... Yes I think they've had it equally tough.

If Murray had Hewitt's mental strength he would be even greater. I think it is about equal. Murray is far more physically gifted and talented. Hewitt is stronger mentally.

 

[tennisaddict]

Why would I? You're the one who's saying a 8 GS champion is a choker.

Also, what he said is true. Novak has had it tougher to win slams because you know...he's had to face Nadal or Federer to get most of them. You're in denial if you don't think so.

First of, players play 6 other matches before they get to finals. Finals opponent alone means squat.

You go by the "name tag" of the player and not what they brought to the table.

Gonzalez was the one who beat Rafa, Roddick had earlier HC success than Fed and Hewitt had Fed's number till 2004.

If Nishikori or Cilic fade away from tennis starting now, does it mean that they fluked their way to a title run USO 2014 ? You need context.

Novak lost 7 major finals, 2 to Murray , 2 HC finals to Rafa. Inexcusable. The other 3 final losses at least are understandable.

 

[Djokovic2011]

First of, players play 6 other matches before they get to finals. Finals opponent alone means squat.

You go by the "name tag" of the player and not what they brought to the table.

Gonzalez was the one who beat Rafa, Roddick had earlier HC success than Fed and Hewitt had Fed's number till 2004.

If Nishikori or Cilic fade away from tennis starting now, does it mean that they fluked their way to a title run USO 2014 ? You need context.

This is true but ultimately a lesser player like Gonzales or Baghdatis is gonna be far more prone to nerves in a Slam final than an all time great like Federer or Nadal will be. That's what makes the difference.

 

[Djesus]

First of, players play 6 other matches before they get to finals. Finals opponent alone means squat.

You go by the "name tag" of the player and not what they brought to the table.

Gonzalez was the one who beat Rafa, Roddick had earlier HC success than Fed and Hewitt had Fed's number till 2004.

If Nishikori or Cilic fade away from tennis starting now, does it mean that they fluked their way to a title run USO 2014 ? You need context.

Djokovic beat a 12 GS champion winner at the time to win his first GS at AO 2008
Djokovic beat a 16 GS champion winner at the time to win his second GS at AO 2011
Djokovic beat a 10 GS champion winner at the time to win his third GS at Wimby 2011
etc...etc...

Was Federer anything close to that?

Honestly I don't give a fuuuuk. You can believe whatever you want to dry those tears of this:

and this:

but a 8 GS champion isn't a choker :lol:

Oh yeah...forgot:

 

[beast of mallorca]

Nice One Piece avatar.

Dressrossa arc is dragging along bro :twisted:

At first glance, you are probably right. But you know what, if this arc ends soon enough, I'm gonna miss it. I'd say, it's one of the best arcs in this wonderful piece....i tell yeah

Oda is a freaking genius :twisted:

 

[Djesus]

At first glance, you are probably right. But you know what, if this arc ends soon enough, I'm gonna miss it. I'd say, it's one of the best arcs in this wonderful piece....i tell yeah

Oda is a freaking genius :twisted:

Oda > Kishi > Kubo :twisted:

 

[Gazelle]

I knew it was only a matter of time before this thread was made.

Some Nole fans are ridiculous.

 

[Djokovic2011]

I knew it was only a matter of time before this thread was made.

Some Nole fans are ridiculous.

The OP isn't a Nole fan.

 

[tennisaddict]

Djesus,

Perhaps you need a recap.

 

[Djesus]

Difference is, I'm over that ages ago. I don't go around saying it's despicable to lose X finals or Y finals and make up some other BS excuses whilst your excretion hole is still burning hot red from Wimbledon 2014 :lol:

 

[beast of mallorca]

I knew it was only a matter of time before this thread was made.

Some Nole fans are ridiculous.

The OP is one of your cohorts....an Avid Fed fanatic. Read the OP first, silly you.....:twisted:

 

[tennisaddict]

This is true but ultimately a lesser player like Gonzales or Baghdatis is gonna be far more prone to nerves in a Slam final than an all time great like Federer or Nadal will be. That's what makes the difference.

Lesser fancied players play without the fear of expectations and they are dangerous as well.

Gonzalez is a type of player known for swinging freely. Same with Soderling.

Baghdatis had beaten second seed Roddick, seventh seed Ljubicic, 4th seed Nalbandian and won the first set and a break up in the second vs Fed.

 

[Djesus]

Please, let there be a Novak vs Federer Wimbledon 2015 final with Novak winning it again

Preferably 6-1, 6-3 and 6-0

 

[beast of mallorca]

Oda > Kishi > Kubo :twisted:

Agreed. I'd even say Oda >> Kishi >>>> Kubo

 

[tennisaddict]

Difference is, I'm over that ages ago. I don't go around saying it's despicable to lose X finals or Y finals and make up some other BS excuses whilst your excretion hole is still burning hot red from Wimbledon 2014 :lol:

Why would I care since Fed has 7 of the Wimb titles and 17 in all ?

OTOH, i truly think Novak wasted 4 chances and hence i say he choked.

If there is anyone who needs upset about competition it is Rafa and not Novak.

Rafa faced peak Fed and peak Novak.

Novak faced old Fed and injured Rafa.