Djokovic2011
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Lol, it doesn't take away from Fed's greatness if you admit that Nole's competition has been tougher you know. Some Fed fans really do bemuse me.
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Lol, it doesn't take away from Fed's greatness if you admit that Nole's competition has been tougher you know. Some Fed fans really do bemuse me.
tennisaddict
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Please, let there be a Novak vs Federer Wimbledon 2015 final with Novak winning it again
Preferably 6-1, 6-3 and 6-0
Still that would leave Novak 4 short of Federer.
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King Fed WW
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I am not an avid Fed fanatic. sometimes I engage in pro Fed trolling and give off the impression I am a fanatic.
I am a big Fed fan of course.
Djokovic2011
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tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
There is no way to know which competition is better.
Fed at 31 was No.1 and a strong No.2 at age 33 , within a few points of getting back to No.1 last Nov.
What makes this era stronger than before ?
beast of mallorca
G.O.A.T.
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
It is ironic coming when a Novak fan says Roddick was a weak opponent.
what does it tell about Novak ?
Mustard
Bionic Poster
Robinson, Leonard or Seales?
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
LOL, seriously? :lol:
Because golden bull was never injured when Fed was winning, no?
35 year old Agassi says hello...
Novak 3 setting Federer at AO 2008 where Fed was 28 says hello...
Novak beating Nadal in 3 slams in a row says hello...
LOL I love how you mention injured Nadal to push Nadal up to diminish Novak but if this was another thread you'd be ripping on Nadal. :lol: Love the way I make you come out of that closet
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
If Roddick is weak, Rafa cannot be injured ? At least Rafa pre 2011 was no doubt a better player than Rafa post 2011.
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
35 year old Agassi says hello...
Novak 3 setting Federer at AO 2008 where Fed was 28 says hello...
Novak beating Nadal in 3 slams in a row says hello...
LOL I love how you mention injured Nadal to push Nadal up to diminish Novak but if this was another thread you'd be ripping on Nadal. :lol: Love the way I make you come out of that closet
Novak won 1 major during Fed's prime. So what ?
That does not change the fact that he had to wait for his decline to start winning majors.
> Implying Federer would have carried on to beat Nadal in majors
BUT WAIT! What happened to competiton doesn't matter. A player has to win 6 games to reach finals etc etc....? :twisted: Suddenly Federer's "decline" of an excuse is contradicting all of that...no? Oh wait, it's Federer. None of that applies :lol:
BUT WAIT! What happened to competiton doesn't matter. A player has to win 6 games to reach finals etc etc....? :twisted: Suddenly Federer's "decline" of an excuse is contradicting all of that...no? Oh wait, it's Federer. None of that applies :lol:
abmk
Bionic Poster
so why the hell was Novak playing sh*t in the first and 4th sets of the USO 13 final ?
and what about kuerten , safin, federer, nadal, del po etc. all swinging away in their first slam finals ...
gonzales was not nervous in the AO 07 final at all... He was pretty good, federer was just better.
as far as baghdatis goes, he had a tough road to the final and couldn't keep it up after 2 sets
your boy's rival murray couldn't keep up after a single 5-setter vs federer in 2013 and collapsed after 2 sets and a bit again in 2015 due to Novak's theatrics in part
baggy had a more ardeous road to the AO 2006 final
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Djokovic_is_the_best#1
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He is the best ever. Well said OP
tennisaddict
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The Green Mile
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You could argue best level of play ever sure, which kind of sounds like what you are doing and is purely subjective. That's about it. A few more players have better numbers than Novak.
Soul_Evisceration
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He said he started watching tennis since 2011, isnt it ?
It's all the Djokovic fans that started watching tennis since 2011 so we gotta take their opinions with a grain of salt and ignore them.
uliks
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35 year old Agassi says hello...
Novak 3 setting Federer at AO 2008 where Fed was 28 says hello...
Novak beating Nadal in 3 slams in a row says hello...
LOL I love how you mention injured Nadal to push Nadal up to diminish Novak but if this was another thread you'd be ripping on Nadal. :lol: Love the way I make you come out of that closet
@ Djesus
Agassi was in his 2 prime in 2005, and that summer he was hitting the ball better than ever...
Federer had mono in 2008 and was already old, declined and past his prime. Sorry, but that Djokovic win doesn't count...
Rafa was temporarily in decline in 2011 and early part of 2012. Sorry...
Then get out of the thread then cuz it's about Novak you fool. You old grandpas can enjoy watching the flowery Tennis on YouTube :lol:
A 35 year old in his prime....right :lol:
Dumb post, nothing counts to you and so many excuses
Going by your logic Federer's wins post AO 2008 and Nadal's wins post 2011 don't count either, right? Cuz they old and in an retirement home.
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
Perhaps we need to revive this thread - 'What is the average age of a Novak fan' ?
Soul_Evisceration
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Ah you Djokovic fans are easy to get under your skin.
I just disagree with the OP's opinion. That is all.
Soul_Evisceration
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How is "ignore every Djokovic fan's opinion" disagreeing with the OP?
Well Djokovic is not the BEST EVER based on what the OP said.
That honour goes to Rod Laver since he's the BEST EVER IMO.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
Enough with those "best ever" threads. The only thing that is clear is that Nadal is the best ever on clay (by quite a comfy margin). On other surfaces, there has been several players with comparable types of domination. There is no totally obvious "GOAT" case (nothing standing out as evidently as the Nadal case on clay)
You make some interesting points but I cannot support Djoko a GOAT.
Djoko is not GOAT:
1. He has never put together long runs of dominance winning multiple slams year over year or held number 1 ranking for a long time
2. Old Federer cleaned his clock at Wimbledon 2012 when Djoko was in physical/mental prime - that shouldn't happen to goat.
3. Old Federer beat him at RG in 2011 in Djoko's best year ever - that shouldn't happen to goat.
4. Ancient Federer had break points in 5th set of Wimbledon in 2014 - that shouldn't happen to goat.
5. Djoko has had issues with serve and for well over a year had a relatively poor serve when by his age, he should have been in his peak.
All in all, his peak level is not as good as Nadal's peak level on clay nor is it as good as Federer's peak level on fast courts. And, he just has not been as consistent as other all time greats like Sampras, Laver, or Federer. Djokovic is a great player but I don't think he is GOAT.
Djoko is not GOAT:
1. He has never put together long runs of dominance winning multiple slams year over year or held number 1 ranking for a long time
2. Old Federer cleaned his clock at Wimbledon 2012 when Djoko was in physical/mental prime - that shouldn't happen to goat.
3. Old Federer beat him at RG in 2011 in Djoko's best year ever - that shouldn't happen to goat.
4. Ancient Federer had break points in 5th set of Wimbledon in 2014 - that shouldn't happen to goat.
5. Djoko has had issues with serve and for well over a year had a relatively poor serve when by his age, he should have been in his peak.
All in all, his peak level is not as good as Nadal's peak level on clay nor is it as good as Federer's peak level on fast courts. And, he just has not been as consistent as other all time greats like Sampras, Laver, or Federer. Djokovic is a great player but I don't think he is GOAT.
Alien
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Leonard. I am not that old to be able to talk about the others.
Alien
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Please reread the first post. It is not about being GOAT. It is about absolute tennis level.
Yeah, what the OP said. Not what every other Djokovic fan said. I agree that Novak isn't the best either, obviously he doesn't have the number to back it up but you should have said to ignore the OP and not "every Djokovic fan". Get yo facts right.
Soul_Evisceration
Hall of Fame
Alright point taken mate.
Fiji
Legend
Novak won 1 major during Fed's prime. So what ?
That does not change the fact that he had to wait for his decline to start winning majors.
I concur. He had to wait for Roger to turn the big 30 to finally become number one. Peak Roger would beat him regularly on every surface.
Djokovic became #1 by beating Nadal in multiple finals and winning trophies, ranking up points etc to get #1. You know...the guy who took the #1 off from Federer.
bluegrasser
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Fiji
Legend
Djokovic became #1 by beating Nadal in multiple finals and winning trophies, ranking up points etc to get #1. You know...the guy who took the #1 off from Federer.
He had to wait for the Goat to get old.
Backspin1183
Talk Tennis Guru
Hey Nole fans, you guys and us Fed fans shouldn't be fighting with each other. We need to team up to take on Nadal and the ************* :grin:
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
He said he started watching tennis since 2011, isnt it ?
Nope, I've never said that. Don't assume that was when I started watching tennis just because that year is part of my username.
Djokovic2011
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Even if that's true(which it's not), what's so wrong about that?
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I see another thread has broken down...
Towser83
G.O.A.T.
He got beaten by Federer at RG though and almost lost to him at the US Open, Federer who was past his prime anyway. He's also failed tobeat Nadal at RG 3 times since then despite Nadal slipping past his prime and also lost to him at the US Open. I don't think you can argue he is the HC GOAT when he loses matches like that plus losing to Murray in 2012.
He also LOST to Fed at Wimbledon and had to struggle to a 5 set win last year vs a 32 year old Fed. Last year Federer was 3-2 vs Djokovic.
It is more competitive but there are more events on it, therefor isn't it NOT lucky to have fewer events on your best surface? Also Federer has still dominated HC more.
Federer beat Djokovic in a final and Murray, he's also beaten Djokovic in the semis twice. Djokovic is basically 2 points away from having a 0-5 record vs Federer there and 0 US Open titles. He lost to Murray and Nadal twice when he is a better HC player than both. He lost to Nishikori last year in the quarters. So I don't think he definitely would have 5 US Open titles.
He's been better vs Nadal on clay for sure, but he's also lost to Fed on clay at RG at a time when he was in his absolute prime.
Neither Fed nor Nadal are their best anymore, let's be honest.
Yet Djokovic still lost to Nadal 3 times at RG, once at the US Open, once to Fed at Wimbledon despite these guys being close to a decade after they first wons slams.
Big fan of Djokovic but beating Federer and Nadal now doesn't mean as much as it did years back. I rate Djokovic's AO 2008 win above his Wimbledon 2014 win.
Steve0904
Talk Tennis Guru
The Nadal thread that NN started has turned into quite the enjoyable discussion though, I must say. As for this one, I'm just too tired to drum up a response to anything right now. And I do find the notion quite ridiculous. I don't even think Nadal's case is a great one, but Djokovic's has to be worse no matter how you spin it.
Federer20042006
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Djokovic was a missed Nadal BH down the line away from losing the 2012 AO. He had Nadal's number 1 year, that's it.
Djokovic can not beat healthy Nadal, aside from 2011.
Djokovic can not beat healthy Nadal, aside from 2011.
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VexlanderPrime
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So what I got from this is that Tennisaddict knows basically nothing about tennis lol.
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VexlanderPrime
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LOL the fail in this post made my head explode. Stay in school kids.
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VexlanderPrime
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On topic: This thread is just a Prime v Prime rehash. Bottom line I rank Fed and Djoker's peak modes (2006 and 2011 respectively) pretty much a tie by the eye test. Rafa's peak was pretty close as well.
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