Implications of Djokovic's Adria Tour have not been taken seriously enough

[Amritia]

It's clear now that Djokovic is being mistreated by Australian authorities as everyone deserves suitable living conditions- regardless of immigration status.

However, I do not think the implications of the Adria Tour has been taken seriously on this forum.
It's spoken about in a light hearted way, ie 'Djokovic just wanted to enjoy himself and organise a tennis tournament, who cares.'

Djokovic, who no doubt was not having fun with no tennis at home, essentially took advantage of a loophole. He selected countries such as Croatia where the health authorities recommended social distancing, but it was not legally binding.
He organised a tournament with no social distancing, and then a fatal contagious viral was spread (unlike now there was no preventative which diminished personal death risk).

This was immoral to such an extent that it almost doesn't bear thinking about.

 

[TennisLurker]

Djokovic, GOAT or Horseman of Plague?

 

[Checkmate]

Agreed. Always knew Krajinovic > Djokovic and my boy proved it in two straight sets.

 

[Nadal_Django]

You were much more smarter in all those months of the sabbatical you took after the RG SF.

 

[Bertie B]

Agreed, the guy doesn't care about rules.

 

[TripleATeam]

Yeah, it was irresponsible. If I remember correctly the thinking was cases were on the decline, but at best he was tempting fate. It was a bad move.

 

[BlueB]

It's clear now that Djokovic is being mistreated by Australian authorities as everyone deserves suitable living conditions- regardless of immigration status.

However, I do not think the implications of the Adria Tour has been taken seriously on this forum.
It's spoken about in a light hearted way, ie 'Djokovic just wanted to enjoy himself and organise a tennis tournament, who cares.'

Djokovic, who no doubt was not having fun with no tennis at home, essentially took advantage of a loophole. He selected countries such as Croatia where the health authorities recommended social distancing, but it was not legally binding.
He organised a tournament with no social distancing, and then a fatal contagious viral was spread (unlike now there was no preventative which diminished personal death risk).

This was immoral to such an extent that it almost doesn't bear thinking about.

He had all the permissions from local governments.

It is very likely that all the restrictions have been lifted in Serbia due to the political reasons (upcoming elections). So, the current fiasco is not the first time he's fallen a victim to political games he had nothing to do with

 

[Amritia]

Yeah, it was irresponsible. If I remember correctly the thinking was cases were on the decline, but at best he was tempting fate. It was a bad move.

You're a passionate Djokovic fan who is so sensible- he would do well to hire you as part of his advisory team

 

[NatF]

Djokovic has rarely put a foot right since Covid started tbh.

 

[Amritia]

He had all the permissions from local governments.

Yeah, he found a loophole by selecting countries where the recommendations of health authorities weren't legally binding.

I am not accusing him of breaking the law- but that doesn't change the mortality of what he did.

 

[Amritia]

Djokovic has rarely put a foot right since Covid started tbh.

The fact he's being put in hotel conditions that are not suitable is a disgrace. Regardless of whether he was honest with his Covid exemption reason or not.

But what he did with Adria tour is far worse than anything he did in Australia. He's being reprimanded for the wrong thing.

 

[NatF]

The fact he's being put in hotel conditions that are not suitable is a disgrace. Regardless of whether he was honest with his Covid exemption reason or not.

But what he did with Adria tour is far worse than anything he did in Australia. He's being reprimanded for the wrong thing.

Is it a fact that the hotel conditions are terrible? I do feel for him being detained in such a manner if true.

 

[Amritia]

Is it a fact that the hotel conditions are terrible? I do feel for him being detained in such a manner if true.

Yep- I read a report with a statement from an illegal immigrant who has spent more than 10 years in aussie detention, and months in this hotel- it is definitely not suitable conditions.

 

[Mustard]

Is it a fact that the hotel conditions are terrible? I do feel for him being detained in such a manner if true.

He can leave on the next available flight if he wants. It's not like he's Julian Assange, or one of the inmates of Guantanamo Bay.

 

[BlueB]

The fact he's being put in hotel conditions that are not suitable is a disgrace. Regardless of whether he was honest with his Covid exemption reason or not.

But what he did with Adria tour is far worse than anything he did in Australia. He's being reprimanded for the wrong thing.

There was absolutely nothing wrong with Adria Tour, at the given moment and situation in the given countries. Covid was at very low, on paper at least. The football games with 10s of thousands of spectators on attendance were played, Adria Tour was nothing in comparison.

 

[Red Rick]

Djokovic has rarely put a foot right since Covid started tbh.

He should stick to strictly best of 5 I think.

 

[Amritia]

There was absolutely nothing wrong with Adria Tour, at the given moment and situation in the given countries. Covid was at very low, on paper at least. The football games with 10s of thousands of spectators on attendance were played, Adria Tour was nothing in comparison.

Clearly Covid levels weren’t low enough, given the extent of spread during the tournament amongst those involved.
And two wrongs don’t make a right.

 

[Mustard]

There was absolutely nothing wrong with Adria Tour, at the given moment and situation in the given countries. Covid was at very low, on paper at least. The football games with 10s of thousands of spectators on attendance were played, Adria Tour was nothing in comparison.

Covid transmission was reducing but still prevalent in June 2020. The Adria Tour had tennis matches in front of packed crowds, no vaccines at the time, and then there was the normal partying indoors where the 4 tennis players are even more likely to have caught Covid (Djokovic, Dimitrov, Coric, Troicki), along with Djokovic's wife and others. Thiem and Zverev played the Adria Tour, but got away without being infected.

 

[Deleted member 748597]

OP is obsessed with Adria Tour.

 

[Red Rick]

In comparison to this it should've been much bigger. In terms of purely epidemiological impact I'd say this is barely a blip on the radar.

 

[NatF]

He should stick to strictly best of 5 I think.

Well obviously I meant off court. On court is the opposite, would prefer it was reversed lol.

 

[Amritia]

In comparison to this it should've been much bigger. In terms of purely epidemiological impact I'd say this is barely a blip on the radar.

But blip on radar doesn’t negate the deed.
There have been million covid deaths, so anything below 1000 deaths is a tiny proportion.
But even 10 people dying unnecessarily I find horrifying.

 

[Deleted member 748597]

Over half of you probably weren't responsible adults during this pandemic.

 

[BlueB]

Clearly Covid levels weren’t low enough, given the extent of spread during the tournament amongst those involved.
And two wrongs don’t make a right.

Maybe. But that was not the point. At the given moment and circumstances, it looked perfectly fine to play. There is absolutely no reason to demonize Djokovic retroactively. Even the PM of Serbia publicly said that Djokovic did everything legally and with governments blessing. She took the blame for misjudging the situation.

 

[Tennis_Freak99]

I agree, this wasn't that big a deal to have garnered such a response globally. Novak is just caught up in this ''Snowballing effect" of all his past controversies that gets bigger and bigger with every new incident. The sad part is, some of these incidents are not even his fault entirely like the insane mismanagement of the Australian goverment/bodies, but the baggage is just too much that it puts the spot-light on Djokovic

 

[Lleytonstation]

Over half of you probably weren't responsible adults during this pandemic.

I only made out with humans that had masks on.

 

[Mustard]

Over half of you probably weren't responsible adults during this pandemic.

I was anti-lockdown at the start, I'll admit. And by at the start, I mean March 2020. I didn't know all the facts and the speed of the spread was big. I read a recent article which said that around 14,000 people are thought to have had Covid-19 in the UK in the early days of March 2020. By 23 March 2020, when the UK first went into lockdown (so 3 weeks later), there were around 1,600,000 people in the UK thought to have had Covid-19. What would it have been after another 2 weeks of no measures?

 

[Kawasaki Kanagawa]

I'm glad this is coming up again because I feel we didn't discuss it enough when it happened.

 

[Amritia]

Over half of you probably weren't responsible adults during this pandemic.

That may be the case, and two wrongs don’t make a right.

But a distinction has to be made between an individual breaching rules vs organising an event to create conditions for many transmissions to happen.
Latter far more likely to result in more excess mortality.

 

[TimHenmanATG]

Novak Djokovic + Adria Tour = sh*tshow.

Novak Djokovic + Australian Open = sh*tshow.

By substitution, we can state that:

Novak Djokovic + Adria Tour = Novak Djokovic + Australian Open.

Subtract "Novak Djokovic" from each side of the equation and we are left with:

Adria Tour = Australian Open.

Food for thought...

 

[Amritia]

Novak Djokovic + Adria Tour = sh*tshow.

Novak Djokovic + Australian Open = sh*tshow.

Same adjective shouldn’t be applied to both.

Even if Djokovic’s exemption excuse was BS, as is likely, why is it a big deal? No one harmed.
But organising Adria Tour almost certainly, predictably, resulted in excess mortality.

I think we should think deeply about what that means.

 

[Tennis_Freak99]

Novak Djokovic + Adria Tour = sh*tshow.

Novak Djokovic + Australian Open = sh*tshow.

By substitution, we can state that:

Novak Djokovic + Adria Tour = Novak Djokovic + Australian Open.

Subtract "Novak Djokovic" from each side of the equation and we are left with:

Adria Tour = Australian Open.

Food for thought...

 

[celito]

The fact he's being put in hotel conditions that are not suitable is a disgrace. Regardless of whether he was honest with his Covid exemption reason or not.

But what he did with Adria tour is far worse than anything he did in Australia. He's being reprimanded for the wrong thing.

The asylum seekers in the same hotel stuck for 8 years without being able to even leave the hotel would care to differ what is the definition of a disgrace.

 

[wangs78]

Yep- I read a report with a statement from an illegal immigrant who has spent more than 10 years in aussie detention, and months in this hotel- it is definitely not suitable conditions.

If some people can live there for two years I don’t see why Djokovic can’t for a few days. Certainly not what a multimillionaire would normally choose but if Djokovic can eat small bunches of grass when he’s a good mood, a small stuffy room for a few nights should be ok. I kind of think the terrible living conditions thing is overblown. It’s prob comparable to an old Holiday Inn that needs renovating, at worst.

 

[Kawasaki Kanagawa]

If some people can live there for two years I don’t see why Djokovic can’t for a few days. Certainly not what a multimillionaire would normally choose but if Djokovic can eat small bunches of grass when he’s a good mood, a small stuffy room for a few nights should be ok. I kind of think the terrible living conditions thing is overblown. It’s prob comparable to an old Holiday Inn that needs renovating, at worst.

I'm not sure you see how serious this is: they brought bread to his room!

 

[Booster Gold]

1. Novaxx is not being detained
2. Spreading covid is harm to at risk groups. You can't refuse to do your part (as with the vaccine) , or even work to actively spread the disease (as with the tournament) and then say no harm done.

It really hurts your argument when you start it off with things that are demonstrably false.

 

[Tshooter]

…However, I do not think the implications of the Adria Tour…

 

[Amritia]

1. Novaxx is not being detained
2. Spreading covid is harm to at risk groups. You can't refuse to do your part (as with the vaccine) , or even work to actively spread the disease (as with the tournament) and then say no harm done.

It really hurts your argument when you start it off with things that are demonstrably false.

What are you talking about?
You're falsifying my positions and then saying I'm too pro-Djokovic??

 

[Booster Gold]

It's clear now that Djokovic is being mistreated by Australian authorities as everyone deserves suitable living conditions- regardless of immigration status.

Since Novaxx IS NOT being detained, what do the Australian authorities have to do with his living conditions?

 

[Amritia]

Since Novaxx IS NOT being detained, what do the Australian authorities have to do with his living conditions?

I'm not a Djokovic fan- so am not biased in his favour.
He is not being detained but I think that Aussie authorities don't have good conditions for illegal immigrants in general. Djokovic's hotel is apparently not in good shape.

But focus on the key issue- regardless of your opinion of his hotel, it is nowhere near as consequential as organising an event that created excess mortality.

 

[Cantconvert2MP]

Adria Tour was legal. The local authority was OK with Djokovic doing it.
At that time, the country laws, actions or pandemie wasnt something special... So Djokovic have nothing to be ashamed of. Talking about loophole, get a grip, ONCE AGAIN he only did apply the country rules.

 

[Amritia]

Adria Tour was legal. The local authority was OK with Djokovic doing it.
At that time, the country laws, actions or pandemie wasnt something special... So Djokovic have nothing to be ashamed of. Talking about loophole, get a grip, ONCE AGAIN he only did apply the country rules.

But it went against the recommendations of the health authorities at the time.

 

[Cantconvert2MP]

But it went against the recommendations of the health authorities at the time.

So what ?
Governments have power over "health authority".

He perfectly respected the laws.

 

[E36BMWM3]

He had all the permissions from local governments.

It is very likely that all the restrictions have been lifted in Serbia due to the political reasons (upcoming elections). So, the current fiasco is not the first time he's fallen a victim to political games he had nothing to do with

Nothing to do with?? He organized the damn tournament! Can't believe you're so oblivious to the fact that the guy is trouble.

 

[BlueB]

Nothing to do with?? He organized the damn tournament! Can't believe you're so oblivious to the fact that the guy is trouble.

Nothing to do with political games. Like, his unfortunste tournament and his arrival to Australia have been used by politicians for their own gains. No need to vilanify the guy.

 

[Mustard]

Adria Tour was legal. The local authority was OK with Djokovic doing it.
At that time, the country laws, actions or pandemie wasnt something special... So Djokovic have nothing to be ashamed of. Talking about loophole, get a grip, ONCE AGAIN he only did apply the country rules.

And what do you say to Djokovic's comments in August 2020, two months after the Adria Tour, when he said that he'd do it all again and that the criticism directed at him was a witch-hunt?

 

[Amritia]

So what ?

Someone ignored the health authorities and then people died, what do you mean so what?

 

[Carax]

Novak Djokovic + Adria Tour = sh*tshow.

Novak Djokovic + Australian Open = sh*tshow.

By substitution, we can state that:

Novak Djokovic + Adria Tour = Novak Djokovic + Australian Open.

Subtract "Novak Djokovic" from each side of the equation and we are left with:

Adria Tour = Australian Open.

Food for thought...

 

[Fiero425]

And what do you say to Djokovic's comments in August 2020, two months after the Adria Tour, when he said that he'd do it all again and that the criticism directed at him was a witch-hunt?

Novak showed a lot of ignorance concerning C-19! He's quite intelligent, but made a huge mistake with that Adria Tour and at the same time carelessly associated with other players socially and more than likely drunkenly resulting in his picking up the flu the 1st time! Unfortunately there are plenty of professions out there who've embarrassed themselves trying to avoid taking the vaccine! It's a little irresponsible, but he's not the only one; believe it!

 

[FedLIKEnot]

He had all the permissions from local governments.

It is very likely that all the restrictions have been lifted in Serbia due to the political reasons (upcoming elections). So, the current fiasco is not the first time he's fallen a victim to political games he had nothing to do with

Because you can do something does not mean you should. A lesson I am sure we all learned as kids. But to me as with alot of the issues I have with Novak the man; it turned out to be a super spreader event. Participants, and fans alike, in the aftermath he took no blame or responsiblity for hosting this event. But he never does, he hits the lineswoman and than pleads for 10 mins that he should be DQ'd. Leaves immediatly and doesnt answer for his action till days later and in a half hearted way. Screams directly in a childs face, now he says that was on accident but their is a pattern developing here. At best he doesnt weigh the repurcussions correctly, at worst he thinks these things dont matter to him.

But dammit if he isnt one of the best players the sport has ever seen.

Djokovic has rarely put a foot right since Covid started tbh.

This part!!!!!