Improving tension maintenance of main, with a cross

Hi Folks.

Currently playing Cyclone Tour, as my elbow is a bit twingy.

It's really helped, but the tension drop off is massive.

Would stringing a multi or synthetic gut, in the cross, improve the tension drop off?

Cheers, Paul
 

esgee48

G.O.A.T.
Nope. The mains will still lose tension. The cross will keep the stringbed firmed, but the mains will stay out of position and you will notice that control left the house. If you want poly tension maintenance, you need to manually prestretch 20' to 20'4" or use a factory prestretched poly like KB Pro Line II family.
 

Demented

Semi-Pro
I would say that while Esgee's statement is factually correct, it leaves out a bit of a rub. If you're blending with a multi or syngut, you can up the poly tension considerably and still get a decent feeling blend. While I would normally string an all poly bed in the low 40's for comfort, I feel like it's ok to string it at 55-60 with syngut crosses.
 
Tried Cream yesterday. Very nice string. But I do like the bite of Cyclone Tour - even in a hybrid. I'm going to see how high I can go in tension before the vibrations get too much. I'm at 50 52 at the moment.
 

g4driver

Hall of Fame
@Wes

thanks much for your message I did not see this thread let me get a shower and I will make a reply. Just hit for 4 hours.

I string a lot of VCT 1.30mm and have HDMX/YPTA as A cold-weather (below 40°F ) frame for my personal use. I Can't use my normal polys once the temps drop below 40F
 

g4driver

Hall of Fame
Tried Cream yesterday. Very nice string. But I do like the bite of Cyclone Tour - even in a hybrid. I'm going to see how high I can go in tension before the vibrations get too much. I'm at 50 52 at the moment.
Sorry for the delayed reply.

VCT 1.30mm is quite soft for a poly and the only version of VCT I will string due to poor tension of the thinner versions.

VCT 1.30mm can be strung comfortably in the 57M/55X range for many of my 4.0 to 4.5 clients in 16x19 frames.

what frame are you using?
 

g4driver

Hall of Fame
Any of you guys strung/ played with Poly Tour Air?
Tecnfibre HDMX 1.35mm Mains / YPTA crosses (it only comes in 1.25mm) is in one of my frames as cold weather setup (40F and below). It is super soft and last me more than 25 hours.

I can find a post where I compare YPTA , Cream and Ghostwire
 

fuzz nation

G.O.A.T.
Hi Folks.

Currently playing Cyclone Tour, as my elbow is a bit twingy.

It's really helped, but the tension drop off is massive.

Would stringing a multi or synthetic gut, in the cross, improve the tension drop off?

Cheers, Paul
Ho-Ho-Ho!!

My first thought is go through a couple of full beds of moderately tensioned syn. gut to see whether you can cool out that twinge. Syn. gut is a mild step away from poly on the performance spectrum, but it's also a significant step toward a softer direction. Playing with any poly other than maybe something like Isospeed Cream is like juggling hand grenades and hoping for the best.

I also think that our pal esgee48 is right in terms of poly going dead just as quickly when it's in a hybrid with let's say a syn. gut cross. But it seems to me that the hybrid doesn't turn so drastically dead overall - the resilient syn. gut crosses make for a more gradual drop off.

If you can't lay off the poly, I'd say try a hybrid with a rather light gauge poly main - 1.20mm or lighter. Combo that with a syn. gut cross (or maybe a multifiber) - I think that Gosen OGSM 16 is pretty good in this role. When the mains lose it and stay out of place, just swap in a new set. I've been offering this hybrid to locals as that first try with a poly layout and it hasn't caused any troubles for anybody that has used it through recent years. The skinny poly I keep on hand is Isospeed Baseline 1.20mm - playable and affordable.
 
Ho-Ho-Ho!!

My first thought is go through a couple of full beds of moderately tensioned syn. gut to see whether you can cool out that twinge. Syn. gut is a mild step away from poly on the performance spectrum, but it's also a significant step toward a softer direction. Playing with any poly other than maybe something like Isospeed Cream is like juggling hand grenades and hoping for the best.

I also think that our pal esgee48 is right in terms of poly going dead just as quickly when it's in a hybrid with let's say a syn. gut cross. But it seems to me that the hybrid doesn't turn so drastically dead overall - the resilient syn. gut crosses make for a more gradual drop off.

If you can't lay off the poly, I'd say try a hybrid with a rather light gauge poly main - 1.20mm or lighter. Combo that with a syn. gut cross (or maybe a multifiber) - I think that Gosen OGSM 16 is pretty good in this role. When the mains lose it and stay out of place, just swap in a new set. I've been offering this hybrid to locals as that first try with a poly layout and it hasn't caused any troubles for anybody that has used it through recent years. The skinny poly I keep on hand is Isospeed Baseline 1.20mm - playable and affordable.
Cheers, Fuzz
 

Jerry Seinfeld

Professional
Nope. The mains will still lose tension. The cross will keep the stringbed firmed, but the mains will stay out of position and you will notice that control left the house. If you want poly tension maintenance, you need to manually prestretch 20' to 20'4" or use a factory prestretched poly like KB Pro Line II family.
Disagree. Prestretching poly is a huge no no. It will kill the string and accelerate tension loss. To increase life of poly mains make sure crosses are installed approx 4 lbs tighter.
 

Folsom_Stringer_Musa

Professional
Disagree. Prestretching poly is a huge no no. It will kill the string and accelerate tension loss. To increase life of poly mains make sure crosses are installed approx 4 lbs tighter.
Why would pre-stretching poly be a huge no no?
FYI: Some polys come as factory pre-stretched.

esgee48 is talking about hand pre-stretching from 20' to 20'4''. Just 4 inch stretching in 20 ft.
You are saying this will kill the poly and accelerate the tension loss?
 

euchoulis

New User
Nope. The mains will still lose tension. The cross will keep the stringbed firmed, but the mains will stay out of position and you will notice that control left the house. If you want poly tension maintenance, you need to manually prestretch 20' to 20'4" or use a factory prestretched poly like KB Pro Line II family.
Hey @esgee48 . I finally received my technifibre tf6000 and I am looking forward to stringing my first racket on it . It will be a set of polystar energy 1.25 at 23kg.
Having read what you said I am wondering if I should try to prestretch it manually as its very soft or I should set a prestretch on the machine.
Will be waiting for your reply but Damn I can't wait to string on it !
 

esgee48

G.O.A.T.
I do not use machine prestretch, but I do pull for longer periods ala some of the proportional stringing methods. If you want to pull each string for at least 10 seconds, you could try it. I pull mine for at least 10-15 seconds for mains and crosses. [Other posters do not agree and say I could use a higher ref tension, but then I will not end up with a ref tension that I know works with some tension stability.] I only do manual pre stretch for Kevlar and ZX because it takes more than 15 seconds and my machine gets upset with me for not clamping off. 8-B

You will need to esperiment with ref tension. Polystar 1.25 is pretty bad for tension stability. If you have any 16 Ga 1.30 mm, try that instead.
 
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