In 2011 Nadal was 11-2 vs Federer/Murray/Del Potro! His best year ever vs Elite

In 2011 Nadal was 10-2 vs Federer/Murray/Del Potro! His best year ever vs Elite

In 2011, Nadal was....

3-1 vs Federer (including Roland Garros final)
4-1 vs Murray (including Roland Garros, Wimbledon, US Open)
3-0 vs Del Potro (including Davis Cup final)

I never thought I would see Nadal dominate these 3 guys like this all at the same time. The gap has never been wider between Nadal and this pack of Elite.

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OddJack

G.O.A.T.
That indeed is a very nice stat.

But wouldnt you think he would give up all 11 for one win against the other elite, to save his sanity?
 
That indeed is a very nice stat.

But wouldnt you think he would give up all 11 for one win against the other elite, to save his sanity?

No. I am 100% sure Nadal would rather beat Federer at Roland Garros than beat Djokovic at Wimbledon AND US Open. Losing the Roland Garros crown again would hurt more than losing 2 slams! Especially losing to Federer at Roland Garros, the worst thing imaginable.
 

TopFH

Hall of Fame
In 2011, Nadal was....

4-1 vs Federer (including Roland Garros final)
4-1 vs Murray (including Roland Garros, Wimbledon, US Open)
3-0 vs Del Potro (including Davis Cup final)

I never thought I would see Nadal dominate these 3 guys like this all at the same time. The gap has never been wider between Nadal and this pack of Elite.

Not taking away anything from Rafa or your post, but he was 3-1 vs Federer.
 

Mustard

Bionic Poster
And 0-6 against Djokovic in 2011, compared to 2-0 in 2010, 4-3 in 2009, 4-2 in 2008, 5-2 in 2007 and 1-0 in 2006.
 

aceX

Hall of Fame
I wasn't going to feed the troll, but when the first 5 posts didn't mention it, I had to step in. Mustard was in 2 minutes after me because he did more research. Massive failure for Nadal in 2011 with respect to Djokovic.
 

Towser83

G.O.A.T.
In 2011, Nadal was....

4-1 vs Federer (including Roland Garros final)
4-1 vs Murray (including Roland Garros, Wimbledon, US Open)
3-0 vs Del Potro (including Davis Cup final)

I never thought I would see Nadal dominate these 3 guys like this all at the same time. The gap has never been wider between Nadal and this pack of Elite.

Actually 3-1 vs Federer. Against him I would expect at least this level of domination considering Federer's age. Against Murray it is indeed good considering that Murray had his most consistant year last year and Nadal handled him very well on hardcourt at the US Open when he had lost the previous 2 meetings in hardcourt slams. Against Delpo, sort of impressive -Delpo was making a comeback and could have beaten Nadal on grass (where Delpo is supposed to be useless) and then had chances at Davis Cup on Clay (where nadal is supposed to be unbeatable)

No. I am 100% sure Nadal would rather beat Federer at Roland Garros than beat Djokovic at Wimbledon AND US Open. Losing the Roland Garros crown again would hurt more than losing 2 slams! Especially losing to Federer at Roland Garros, the worst thing imaginable.

No the worst thing is losing at RG to Djokovic. Losing to Federer when you have beaten him 4 other times at RG and over 10 times on clay is not going to make him lose sleep. Getting beaten AGAIN by Djokovic would just rub it in that he's being owned on every surface. He can still hold on to the fact that Djokovic didn't beat him in a slam on all surfaces. Do you think Federer would rather lose a final to Roddick or another to nadal? I'm sure he'd rather have lost in 2009 and won in 2008 because he can afford one loss to Roddick but it would also mean that Nadal would hav never beaten him on grass and Federer would still totally own him there. People always go on about the painful prospect of Nadal completing the set of wins over Federer in each slam because it would be total dominace, so of course Nadal wants one surface where Djokovic hasn't beaten him in a slam.
 

Cup8489

G.O.A.T.
No. I am 100% sure Nadal would rather beat Federer at Roland Garros than beat Djokovic at Wimbledon AND US Open. Losing the Roland Garros crown again would hurt more than losing 2 slams! Especially losing to Federer at Roland Garros, the worst thing imaginable.

wow.. no. he'd much rather have BOTH wimbledon and USO than another FO. what are you on?
 
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monfed

Guest
Thanks for proving Nadal is in his prime which some delusional Nadal fanboys deny.
 
wow.. no. he'd much rather have BOTH wimbledon and USO than another FO. what are you on?

Nothing hurts Nadal more than losing Roland Garros. See 2009.

When Nadal loses RG it's like he's lost part of himself. RG belongs to him, for life.

Wimbledon doesn't belong to Nadal. Neither does the US Open. They are nice victories but they will never be ESSENTIAL to his year.

Every year Nadal says things like "I have won Roland Garros, so I have had a great year no matter what happens after this".

If Nadal doesn't win Roland Garros, it is a huge failing, a major upset, and devastating. If Nadal doesn't win Wimbledon or US Open he is merely doing what he has done for 80% of his career.

And make no mistake, Djokovic will never be a important as Federer. Djokovic is Federer's left nut in disguise. Nothing could be worse than losing to Federer at Roland Garros.
 

ledwix

Hall of Fame
Fed is a RG champion. Obviously it's not the worst thing ever to lose to him. Losing to Sod was worse.
 

Polaris

Hall of Fame
Mustard said:
Watch Nadal matches from the middle of 2008 and you will notice how much better he was at that time compared to now.
Why would I do such a thing ?:)

Because it builds character, Senti. :) <wink>

Watch him play a long rally, all from the baseline. Watch him grimace like he is hacking zombies in a bad slasher movie. Hear him grunt with the effort. Then watch him towel himself and take rest. 45 excruciatingly slow seconds of rest. Then watch him slowly bounce the ball, while rearranging his pants. Rinse, repeat, rinse, repeat. Control your breathing. Don't throw anything at the TV.

That takes real patience. You've been spoilt by watching Federer gliding through entire games in 50 seconds.
 
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kishnabe

Talk Tennis Guru
Clay season 2010 too.

That I disagree....Nadal was better in some ways in 08 and beggining of 09.

Clay season of 10....lol Almagro, Ferrer, VERDASCO....please. That was the worst competion of clay courting ever. At least 05,06,07,09,11 were respectable and quite good.

2010 was the worst clay court tennis ever......Nadal just puffed them easilty...and he wasn't 50 percent of what he was in 05-08! All his opponents play crap except for Almagro and Soderling.
 
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gregor.b

Professional
In 2011, Nadal was....

4-1 vs Federer (including Roland Garros final)
4-1 vs Murray (including Roland Garros, Wimbledon, US Open)
3-0 vs Del Potro (including Davis Cup final)

I never thought I would see Nadal dominate these 3 guys like this all at the same time. The gap has never been wider between Nadal and this pack of Elite.

Why didn't you include Djoker? Is it because Rafa sucked against him all year? I would currently rate him as more elite than ANY of the other players you mentioned.
 

Towser83

G.O.A.T.
That I disagree....Nadal was better in some ways in 08 and beggining of 09.

Clay season of 10....lol Almagro, Ferrer, VERDASCO....please. That was the worst competion of clay courting ever. At least 05,06,07,09,11 were respectable and quite good.

2010 was the worst clay court tennis ever......Nadal just puffed them easilty...and he wasn't 50 percent of what he was in 05-08! All his opponents play crap except for Almagro and Soderling.

I agree.He had fantastic results in 2010 but given the same competition in 2007, Nadal would have done even better (won MC, Rome Hamburg PLUS barca and RG) - Federer stopped him doing the clay sweep and Federer was not anywhere near as good in 2010, Federer I think was also the only one to take a set off nadal at RG in 2007, again he wasn't there in the final in 2010. And Djokovic who had been troubling Nadal in 2008 and even more in 2009 couldn't get his game together. Nadal still had tough matches against people like Almagro
 

Tony48

Legend
No. I am 100% sure Nadal would rather beat Federer at Roland Garros than beat Djokovic at Wimbledon AND US Open. Losing the Roland Garros crown again would hurt more than losing 2 slams! Especially losing to Federer at Roland Garros, the worst thing imaginable.

Wow. You sure do go out of your way to remind everyone that you are BULLZ1LLA's alternate account.
 
Sorry guys, but Fedal is still the name of the game. Nadal is chasing Federer's CAREER, not Djokovic's 2011. I know it hurts to see Djokovic look so small, but that's what happens when you 'only' have 4 slams by age 24.
 

Tony48

Legend
Sorry guys, but Fedal is still the name of the game. Nadal is chasing Federer's CAREER, not Djokovic's 2011. I know it hurts to see Djokovic look so small, but that's what happens when you 'only' have 4 slams by age 24.

I think you're version of the game is outdated. The name has been changed and everything :)
 
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Deleted member 77403

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His consistency was incredible. He was at the top of his game for sure. :)
 
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monfed

Guest
Watch Nadal matches from the middle of 2008 and you will notice how much better he was at that time compared to now.

It's better if all the Nadal fans had a big congregation to decide if he was in his prime in 2011. Please do convey the result of your consensus,thanks.
 
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Deleted member 77403

Guest
Absolutely. 2011 Ralph would never lose to pre-corpse club member Ljubicic, as he did in 2010.

He cut through those big event draws, like a hot knife cutting butter.
 

aphex

Banned
He cut through those big event draws, like a hot knife cutting butter.

Exactly. If Ralph had to face the 2010 field (i.e. no Djoko 2.0) in 2011 with his amazing 2011 form, he would be in the GOAT club now.

Unfortunately, Nole 2.0 is simply an inherently superior player.
 
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Deleted member 77403

Guest
Exactly. If Ralph had to face the 2010 field (i.e. no Djoko 2.0) in 2011 with his amazing 2011 form, he would be in the GOAT club now.

Unfortunately, Nole 2.0 is simply an inherently superior player.

Yep. It's unfortunate that the Joker ruined the party. :(
 

Sentinel

Bionic Poster
Absolutely. 2011 Ralph would never lose to pre-corpse club member Ljubicic, as he did in 2010.
You mean "almost injured" Nadal lost to almost fully decomposed Lube. I musta missed that one [1].


[1] I miss all Nada matches, tbh.
 

makinao

Rookie
Are we supposed to be surprised by this? Nadal was number one until he was beaten by Djokovic at Wimbledon, and managed to hold on to number two until the end of the year. He played a lot of matches, and beat a lot of guys to be where he was. Great for him.

But the "elite" in 2011 was Djokovic, Nadal, Federer, and Murray, by a wide margin. So you have to include Djokovic in the equation. Between the start of the year when Nadal was #1 to Wimbledon after which he dropped to #2, Djokovic had already beaten Nadal five times. And why is Del Potro there? He wasn't in the top 10 all of 2011. So if you take Del Potro out and put Djokovic in, his record against the other top 3 "elite" players through 2011 is 8-8. This is not exactly what I would call a "wide gap" between Nadal and the rest of the "elite" who chased him half of the year until Djokovic finally unseated him after wimbledon.
 
Well the gap has never been bigger between Murray and Nadal. And the gap has never been bigger between Nadal and Federer (since Nadal has never won a match against Federer indoors anyway, so their World Tour Finals match isn't very telling).

This is crucial for Nadal's 2012, because that means Djokovic is the only player truly in his way in the slams. Sure Tsonga is great, but even indoors he struggled a lot to shake Nadal off in their thrilling 3-setter. I think Nadal has everyone's measure in slams, and nothing can stop him from winning 3-4 slams this year if Djokovic can't. It's all about Djokovic, and that's a great situation for Nadal, knowing if he takes care of his usual business its only one player in his way.

So creating that buffer between himself and Murray/Federer in particular is crucial. And I mention Del Potro because while Del Potro is not at his peak level, he has experienced greater success on the big stage than anyone except for Nadal/Federer/Djokovic. Del Potro has the mental experience to win a slam. This is more than I can say for Murray.
 

aphex

Banned
Well the gap has never been bigger between Murray and Nadal. And the gap has never been bigger between Nadal and Federer (since Nadal has never won a match against Federer indoors anyway, so their World Tour Finals match isn't very telling).

This is crucial for Nadal's 2012, because that means Djokovic is the only player truly in his way in the slams. Sure Tsonga is great, but even indoors he struggled a lot to shake Nadal off in their thrilling 3-setter. I think Nadal has everyone's measure in slams, and nothing can stop him from winning 3-4 slams this year if Djokovic can't. It's all about Djokovic, and that's a great situation for Nadal, knowing if he takes care of his usual business its only one player in his way.

So creating that buffer between himself and Murray/Federer in particular is crucial. And I mention Del Potro because while Del Potro is not at his peak level, he has experienced greater success on the big stage than anyone except for Nadal/Federer/Djokovic. Del Potro has the mental experience to win a slam. This is more than I can say for Murray.

Great point Dullzilla. Now, can you explain it to some rafa-haters like namelessone who insist rafa is not at his peak?
Maybe he'll listen to you...
 
Great point Dullzilla. Now, can you explain it to some rafa-haters like namelessone who insist rafa is not at his peak?
Maybe he'll listen to you...

It takes two to tango. Nadal's big advantage over Federer is a product of Federer not being in his prime and Nadal still being at an extremely high level. And I get the sense Murray was in a better place mentally in 2008 than he was in 2011, at least vs Nadal. I think the beatings Nadal gave Murray at Roland Garros 2011 and Wimbledon 2011 hurt Murray mentally so much that it played a part in their US Open meeting (and it shouldn't have, because Murray has been great against Nadal in hardcourt slams, but I think it did). I think Nadal has psyched out Murray.

I wouldn't say 2012 was Nadal's "peak" (if peak means best year). It was one of his 4 best years though.
 

namelessone

Legend
It takes two to tango. Nadal's big advantage over Federer is a product of Federer not being in his prime and Nadal still being at an extremely high level. And I get the sense Murray was in a better place mentally in 2008 than he was in 2011, at least vs Nadal. I think the beatings Nadal gave Murray at Roland Garros 2011 and Wimbledon 2011 hurt Murray mentally so much that it played a part in their US Open meeting (and it shouldn't have, because Murray has been great against Nadal in hardcourt slams, but I think it did). I think Nadal has psyched out Murray.

I wouldn't say 2012 was Nadal's "peak" (if peak means best year). It was one of his 4 best years though.

As evidenced by the Tokio final.
 
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Deleted member 77403

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Well the gap has never been bigger between Murray and Nadal. And the gap has never been bigger between Nadal and Federer (since Nadal has never won a match against Federer indoors anyway, so their World Tour Finals match isn't very telling).

This is crucial for Nadal's 2012, because that means Djokovic is the only player truly in his way in the slams. Sure Tsonga is great, but even indoors he struggled a lot to shake Nadal off in their thrilling 3-setter. I think Nadal has everyone's measure in slams, and nothing can stop him from winning 3-4 slams this year if Djokovic can't. It's all about Djokovic, and that's a great situation for Nadal, knowing if he takes care of his usual business its only one player in his way.

So creating that buffer between himself and Murray/Federer in particular is crucial. And I mention Del Potro because while Del Potro is not at his peak level, he has experienced greater success on the big stage than anyone except for Nadal/Federer/Djokovic. Del Potro has the mental experience to win a slam. This is more than I can say for Murray.

Good post, and it makes sense. Nadal has pwned the tour these past couple of months. And if it wasn't for Djokovic beating him up in those six finals, he would have been another casualty as well. If Djoker falters, Nadal will sweep up.

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Good post, and it makes sense. Nadal has pwned the tour these past couple of months. And if it wasn't for Djokovic beating him up in those six finals, he would have been another casualty as well. If Djoker falters, Nadal will sweep up.

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Very slick picture, I like it. Yep, and if he can overcome Djokovic and sweep through at least 3 of the slams this year.....the countdown will really be on for 16+, especially if he can maintain supremacy at Roland Garros. Roland Garros remains the key.
 

Crisstti

Legend
You can't just exclude Djokovic from the elite like that, and say that Rafa had his best year versus the elite... especially on the year when Novak had his bets year.

wow.. no. he'd much rather have BOTH wimbledon and USO than another FO. what are you on?

I'm not so sure... he has said now that he'd rather win a 7th RG so as to beat Borg's record. He could well have felt that way last year, about equalling the record. Though he didn't make the comparison to winning TWO other slams...
 

bluetrain4

G.O.A.T.
Yes, great record against those 3. But, as I'm sure others have pointed out (I haven't read the replies), he (like everyone else), couldn't beat djokovic, and that was the problem.
 
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