In 2011 Nadal was 11-2 vs Federer/Murray/Del Potro! His best year ever vs Elite

Yes, great record against those 3. But, as I'm sure others have pointed out (I haven't read the replies), he (like everyone else), couldn't beat djokovic, and that was the problem.

Djokovic isn't the important factor in Nadal's year. Nadal must focus on keeping the gap between himself and Murray/Federer. Nadal can't meet Djokovic until the final. Nadal firstly must control his half. That is priority number one. And Djokovic must also control Murray/Federer, whichever he meets in his half.

Nadal vs Djokovic is just one matchup, and it is a matchup that Nadal has owned for majority of years. Djokovic owning Nadal for ONE year (or 2 years if you count 2009 when Djokovic beat Nadal 3 matches in a row), is normal in such a close overall matchup (16-13 Nadal leads, and 5-2 Nadal leads in slam meetings).
 
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makinao

Rookie
OK Nadal fans, this is how its done:

Nadal had a better aggregate win-loss percentage against the other top 3 "elite" in 2010 than he did in 2011.

2010 5-3
Nadal - Federer 1-1
Nadal - Djokovic 2-0
Nadal - Murray 2-2

2011 8-8
Nadal - Federer 4-1
Nadal - Djokovic 0-6
Nadal - Murray 4-1

That wasn't so hard, was it?
 
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aphex

Banned
OK Nadal fans, this is how its done:

Nadal had a better aggregate win-loss percentage against the other top 3 "elite" in 2010 than he did in 2011.

2010 5-3
Nadal - Federer 1-1
Nadal - Djokovic 2-0
Nadal - Murray 2-2

2011 8-8
Nadal - Federer 3-1
Nadal - Djokovic 0-6
Nadal - Murray 4-1

That wasn't so hard, was it?

So, you're saying that Nole 2.0 pwns peak Nadal? Interesting...
 
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Nadal didn't even have a winning record against Federer in 2010, and didn't have a winning record against Murray either. That isn't very impressive at all. Poor post mak, poor post.

Considering Nadal faces Federer and Murray in semis, those guys are the top priority. What happens the final is not something you think about when there is so much business to take care of in your half of the draw (business to take care of for Nadal and for Djokovic, before they can think about a final).
 

Tony48

Legend
Djokovic isn't the important factor in Nadal's year. Nadal must focus on keeping the gap between himself and Murray/Federer. Nadal can't meet Djokovic until the final. Nadal firstly must control his half. That is priority number one. And Djokovic must also control Murray/Federer, whichever he meets in his half.

Nadal vs Djokovic is just one matchup, and it is a matchup that Nadal has owned for majority of years. Djokovic owning Nadal for ONE year (or 2 years if you count 2009 when Djokovic beat Nadal 3 matches in a row), is normal in such a close overall matchup (16-13 Nadal leads, and 5-2 Nadal leads in slam meetings).

You might want to consider these user names for next year:

RAFA2013GOD, nadalwon2013, CLAYBULL2013, nadalslamking, and angrybull2013.
 

sbengte

G.O.A.T.
We finally have a true Nadal fan in the OP. He speaks nothing but the truth when he says 2011 was the absolute peak of Nadal.
 
We finally have a true Nadal fan in the OP. He speaks nothing but the truth when he says 2011 was the absolute peak of Nadal.

Nadal did not play as well in 2011 as he did in 2008 and 2010, but yes 2011 is Nadal's 3rd best year (or what I call Nadal's 'prime'). No 2 years are the same level. But 2011 is part of Nadal's prime, no doubt. Part of the reason that 2011 was Nadal's best year vs the Federer/Murray/Del Potro combo was that those guys have dropped off (especially Federer and Del Potro). In other words, the gap is bigger than ever, thanks to a couple of factors - Federer/Murray/Del Potro's level, and Nadal's level. It's not entirely about Nadal's level (even though it is his 3rd best year).
rafael_nadal_changes_his_focus.jpg
 
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makinao

Rookie
I thought this thread had just about reached the limits of pointlessness. But pulling out that picture of Nadal and that hot chick hit it out of the park. Bravo! :lol:
 

Crisstti

Legend
OK Nadal fans, this is how its done:

Nadal had a better aggregate win-loss percentage against the other top 3 "elite" in 2010 than he did in 2011.

2010 5-3
Nadal - Federer 1-1
Nadal - Djokovic 2-0
Nadal - Murray 2-2

2011 8-8
Nadal - Federer 4-1
Nadal - Djokovic 0-6
Nadal - Murray 4-1

That wasn't so hard, was it?

Thanks for doing it for us though :)

Nadal didn't even have a winning record against Federer in 2010, and didn't have a winning record against Murray either. That isn't very impressive at all. Poor post mak, poor post.

His over record against them (all) was better though. It might look worse because he only had a winning record against 1 of them, but looking at his results that year and this year (including of course, finals), it's clear his overall record against them is a good indicator of how he did, of how much he ended up winning...
 

DRII

G.O.A.T.
Nadal did not play as well in 2011 as he did in 2008 and 2010, but yes 2011 is Nadal's 3rd best year (or what I call Nadal's 'prime'). No 2 years are the same level. But 2011 is part of Nadal's prime, no doubt. Part of the reason that 2011 was Nadal's best year vs the Federer/Murray/Del Potro combo was that those guys have dropped off (especially Federer and Del Potro). In other words, the gap is bigger than ever, thanks to a couple of factors - Federer/Murray/Del Potro's level, and Nadal's level. It's not entirely about Nadal's level (even though it is his 3rd best year).
rafael_nadal_changes_his_focus.jpg

This post actually makes some sense and has some credibility.

However, most of what you've been saying in this thread, makes me think you're a data dog in sheeps clothing!
 
OK Nadal fans, this is how its done:

Nadal had a better aggregate win-loss percentage against the other top 3 "elite" in 2010 than he did in 2011.

2010 5-3
Nadal - Federer 1-1
Nadal - Djokovic 2-0
Nadal - Murray 2-2

2011 8-8
Nadal - Federer 4-1
Nadal - Djokovic 0-6
Nadal - Murray 4-1

That wasn't so hard, was it?

LOL so you think it's more likely that Fed and Murray played worse in 2011 versus Djoker playing that much better which actually correlates perfectly with his overall level of play and record. LOL What a joke. Thanks for posting this, this proves that Nadal was simply owned by Djoker in 2011 and actually played BETTER in 2011 relative to 2010. LOL ****s kill their own argument :)
 

Towser83

G.O.A.T.
OK Nadal fans, this is how its done:

Nadal had a better aggregate win-loss percentage against the other top 3 "elite" in 2010 than he did in 2011.

2010 5-3
Nadal - Federer 1-1
Nadal - Djokovic 2-0
Nadal - Murray 2-2

2011 8-8
Nadal - Federer 4-1
Nadal - Djokovic 0-6
Nadal - Murray 4-1

That wasn't so hard, was it?

well of course his record was better in 2010, he was 2-0 against Djokovic instead of 0-6. If DJokovic was still playing like he did in 2010, Nadal would be better in head to head in 2011, remove the losses to Djokovic and he's 7-2 (he's actually 3-1 against Federer not 4-1) 6 of his 8 losses are to Djokovic.

And just looking at the amount of times he met the top three in 2010 compared to 2011 you can see he faced much easier competition in 2010, getting them 8 times compared to 15.
 

cknobman

Legend
Lets see,

Nadal and Djokovic were #1 and #2 the entire year and Nadal was 0-6 against Djokovic.

Id say that is one for the records book. It has to be up there in the all time stats as one of the worst single year records as a#1,2 against the #2,1.

His best year ever indeed.:rolleyes:
 

namelessone

Legend
Lets see,

Nadal and Djokovic were #1 and #2 the entire year and Nadal was 0-6 against Djokovic.

Id say that is one for the records book. It has to be up there in the all time stats as one of the worst single year records as a#1,2 against the #2,1.

His best year ever indeed.:rolleyes:

Look, most people here agree that this was his best year ever. And most people here are *******s and/or Nadal haters. You do the math.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
I'm not so sure... he has said now that he'd rather win a 7th RG so as to beat Borg's record. He could well have felt that way last year, about equalling the record. Though he didn't make the comparison to winning TWO other slams...

That's ridiculous. Some 90% of his accomplishment are on clay and now he preferred to add more clay(RG) instead of Wimbledon is bad judgement. The more he wins on clay the more people will remember him as a 1D clay court monster.
 

zagor

Bionic Poster
Look, most people here agree that this was his best year ever. And most people here are *******s and/or Nadal haters. You do the math.

Interesting that you imply that people who think Nadal's level hasn't declined this year are *******s and/or Nadal haters.

Makes you wonder what are then people who claim Fed didn't decline at all (in slams of course LOL) in 2008 ? Sensible, objective and/or fair minded Nadal fans?

Keeping in mind Fed's 2008 was clearly worse results wise than Nadal's 2011.
 

niff

Legend
Id say that is one for the records book. It has to be up there in the all time stats as one of the worst single year records as a#1,2 against the #2,1.
In fact there have only even been three 6-0 H2H seasons, iirc :) Fed v Hewitt in 2004 (Hewitt was top 20/top 10, Fed number 1), McEnroe v Connors in 1984 (Mac was 1-2, Connors 3) and Djokovic v Nadal in 2011.

No one has done 7-0.
 
Interesting that you imply that people who think Nadal's level hasn't declined this year are *******s and/or Nadal haters.

Makes you wonder what are then people who claim Fed didn't decline at all (in slams of course LOL) in 2008 ? Sensible, objective and/or fair minded Nadal fans?

Keeping in mind Fed's 2008 was clearly worse results wise than Nadal's 2011.

Could you please stop pwning shamelessone? Getting to be a broken record.
 

namelessone

Legend
Interesting that you imply that people who think Nadal's level hasn't declined this year are *******s and/or Nadal haters.

Makes you wonder what are then people who claim Fed didn't decline at all (in slams of course LOL) in 2008 ? Sensible, objective and/or fair minded Nadal fans?

Keeping in mind Fed's 2008 was clearly worse results wise than Nadal's 2011.

*******s doesn't necessarily equal all Fed fans.

Also, the posts on this forum kinda back up my claims about most of the people claiming Nadal had no decline in 2011. Outside of a couple of normal posters(that don't constantly troll and try to back up their arguments), most here that agree on this "no decline"(I'm not talking surfaces but no decline whatsoever) are people that have hated on Nadal for a long time and major Fed fanatics(to put it mildly). I would say Djoko fanatics as well but we only have 1-2 that constantly troll.
 

namelessone

Legend
Not in the majors. Federer in 2008 had 1 W, 2 Fs and 1 SF, while Nadal in 2011 had 1 W, 2 Fs and 1 QF.

Let's not start this discussion again. Me and zagor alread filled 2 pages with it in another thread.

Now that I think about it, why hasn't his thread been closed?
 

zagor

Bionic Poster
*******s doesn't necessarily equal all Fed fans.

Also, the posts on this forum kinda back up my claims about most of the people claiming Nadal had no decline in 2011. Outside of a couple of normal posters(that don't constantly troll and try to back up their arguments), most here that agree on this "no decline"(I'm not talking surfaces but no decline whatsoever) are people that have hated on Nadal for a long time and major Fed fanatics(to put it mildly).

Funny thing is most people that claim Fed had no decline (in slams) in 2008 are major Nadal/Sampras fanatacis(to put it mildly).

Most people here who agreed on this no decline for 2008 Fed (I'm not talking outside slams but in slams) are people who have hated Fed for a long time(Sampras fans) or are just blindly infatuated with their hero(Nadal fans).
 
Not in the majors. Federer in 2008 had 1 W, 2 Fs and 1 SF, while Nadal in 2011 had 1 W, 2 Fs and 1 QF.

SF and QF is not very different when considering that all of the other 3 were finals. But outside of majors and overall Fed clearly had much worse results than Nadal in 2011.
 

zagor

Bionic Poster
Not in the majors. Federer in 2008 had 1 W, 2 Fs and 1 SF, while Nadal in 2011 had 1 W, 2 Fs and 1 QF.

Eh I'm talking about a year long performance overall and adjusted for their personal standards of domination(Fed's one being higher as that was the 4th time he reached 3 slams, 2011 being just Nadal's 2nd time).
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
*******s doesn't necessarily equal all Fed fans.

Also, the posts on this forum kinda back up my claims about most of the people claiming Nadal had no decline in 2011. Outside of a couple of normal posters(that don't constantly troll and try to back up their arguments), most here that agree on this "no decline"(I'm not talking surfaces but no decline whatsoever) are people that have hated on Nadal for a long time and major Fed fanatics(to put it mildly). I would say Djoko fanatics as well but we only have 1-2 that constantly troll.

Yeah, but not just some fed fans disagree with you but other nadal fans(especially the girls) disagree with you. And then you have experts, commentators also believe Nadal wasn't declining but it was due to Nole.

A lot of OBJECTIVE people disagree with you and TF3, not like they are all biased(they way you put it).
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
SF and QF is not very different when considering that all of the other 3 were finals. But outside of majors and overall Fed clearly had much worse results than Nadal in 2011.

Results and level of play are 2 different things. Of course you know this already though. I find it absolutely hilarious how people were saying since 2005 how Nadal wouldn't last more than a few seasons, and his body would fall apart. Here we are in 2012 and these drops in his playing level are finally actually occurring and the same people are trying to say he's in his peak. Hilarity.
 

zagor

Bionic Poster
Results and level of play are 2 different things. Of course you know this already though.

Of course they are. However given that Nadal fans constantly used Fed reaching 3 slam finals in 2008 as a proof of non-decline you aren't surprised to see it used back against them aren't you? Especially when now when their hero is in a somewhat similar(though still better than Fed was in 2008 ) situation they have no qualms about claiming decline and are very vocal about it.

I personally always felt Fed's level of play for example was higher in 2005 than in the years in which he won 3 slams.
 
Results and level of play are 2 different things. Of course you know this already though. I find it absolutely hilarious how people were saying since 2005 how Nadal wouldn't last more than a few seasons, and his body would fall apart. Here we are in 2012 and these drops in his playing level are finally actually occurring and the same people are trying to say he's in his peak. Hilarity.

Yes level of play is different from results. But then you just get into my word against yours, but I'm sure YOU know this already.
 

namelessone

Legend
Yeah, but not just some fed fans disagree with you but other nadal fans(especially the girls) disagree with you. And then you have experts, commentators also believe Nadal wasn't declining but it was due to Nole.

A lot of OBJECTIVE people disagree with you and TF3, not like they are all biased(they way you put it).

There are no objective people here, this is a fan board, with varying degrees of bias in each user.

And I have other experts that say that certain parts in Nadal's game(BH,clay game) from last year have declined. What do I do with those? Ignore them?
 

namelessone

Legend
So why do you whine about Lacko and Lorenzi matches and Nadal losing to Novak in CC masters finals this much then ? If they are irrelevant I mean.

Because with Nadal it carries over into slams, he is a confidence player.Federer can stay without a MS final for a long time and easily make SF/F in the next slam.

And pardon me for getting upset when the supposed CCGOAT is within 2 games of losing in straights to nr.150 in the world(or something like that).
 

zagor

Bionic Poster
There are no objective people here, this is a fan board, with varying degrees of bias in each user.

And I have other experts that say that certain parts in Nadal's game(BH,clay game) from last year have declined. What do I do with those? Ignore them?

Eh, didn't you ignore Cahill and Courier in 2008 ? Don't experts have their biases as well?

BTW declined from last year doesn't mean it's a decline in the standard of the level of play, 2010 was Nadal's best year to date, I mean if we go that way people can claim that every year in Fed's career is a decline compared to 2006 for example.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Not in the majors. Federer in 2008 had 1 W, 2 Fs and 1 SF, while Nadal in 2011 had 1 W, 2 Fs and 1 QF.

Yeah, but watching Fed 2008 throughout the year was painful. Even when he wins, it was a struggled. He even got a nickname as an "unforced error machine".
 

zagor

Bionic Poster
Because with Nadal it carries over into slams, he is a confidence player.Federer can stay without a MS final for a long time and easily make SF/F in the next slam.

Confidence matters for every player, Fed is not Sampras, he was extremely consistant in masters pre 2008.

And pardon me for getting upset when the supposed CCGOAT is within 2 games of losing in straights to nr.150 in the world(or something like that).

Excellent, now apply that understing to people getting upset the supposed HCGOAT Federer was on the brink of losing in both HC slams in 2008 and arrived in USO that year without a single HC final under his belt.
 

Mustard

Bionic Poster
Results and level of play are 2 different things. Of course you know this already though. I find it absolutely hilarious how people were saying since 2005 how Nadal wouldn't last more than a few seasons, and his body would fall apart. Here we are in 2012 and these drops in his playing level are finally actually occurring and the same people are trying to say he's in his peak. Hilarity.

LOL :)10 characters
 

Mustard

Bionic Poster
Yeah, but watching Fed 2008 throughout the year was painful. Even when he wins, it was a struggled. He even got a nickname as an "unforced error machine".

Nadal was hardly at his most convincing in 2011, even in the clay season. As for nicknames, Nadal's so-called "moonball backhand" is one he's gotten from critics.
 

namelessone

Legend
Eh, didn't you ignore Cahill and Courier in 2008 ? Don't experts have their biases as well?

BTW declined from last year doesn't mean it's a decline in the standard of the level of play, 2010 was Nadal's best year to date, I mean if we go that way people can claim that every year in Fed's career is a decline compared to 2006 for example.

What do you think I'm talking about?

If Nadal won USO the way he won RG(at least in WB he played something worthwhile) this year, it wouldn't have mattered to me. Why? Cause his tennis sucked, not just compared to 2010, but to 2008 as well. And yes, I am judging according to clay(not whole season) because that's what I base Nadal's season on. In reality, Nadal should have remained slamless this year if not for Federer taking Djoko by surprise.
 

zagor

Bionic Poster
What do you think I'm talking about?

You were very often talking about the general decline, again every season of Fed's career is decline compared to 2006, guess that means by default he declined(in slams) in 2008.

It doesn't work that way. Besides Nadal overall played better on grass and HC in 2011 compared to 2010.

If Nadal won USO the way he won RG(at least in WB he played something worthwhile) this year, it wouldn't have mattered to me. Why? Cause his tennis sucked, not just compared to 2010, but to 2008 as well.

And if Fed won Wimbledon along with USO in 2008 it wouldn't have really mattered to me. Why? Because his tennis(in slams) sucked, not just compared to 2007 but compared to 2006, 2005 ,2004 and 2003.

And yes, I am judging according to clay(not whole season) because that's what I base Nadal's season on.

And I'm judging 2008 Fed according to HC because that's what I base his season on.

In reality, Nadal should have remained slamless this year if not for Federer taking Djoko by surprise.

In reality, Fed should have remained slamless in 2008 if not for Murray taking Nadal by suprise at USO.
 

namelessone

Legend
Yeah, but watching Fed 2008 throughout the year was painful. Even when he wins, it was a struggled. He even got a nickname as an "unforced error machine".

You think watching Nadal this year was a breeze? I got like 5 good Nadal matches from this year and a couple of those are actually losses but at least there was some decent tennis on display from him. In the biggest tourney(RG) he won he had NO MATCHES I would like to ever see again.

The Doha final from 2010(to give one example, from his worst surface and a loss to boot)alone beats any HC effort of Rafa's in 2011, with only Miami coming close. And this was at a time when Rafa hadn't won a tournament in 10 months or something like that, not exactly brimming with confidence.
 

zagor

Bionic Poster
You think watching Nadal this year was a breeze? I got like 5 good Nadal matches from this year and a couple of those are actually losses but at least there was some decent tennis on display from him. In the biggest tourney(RG) he won he had NO MATCHES I would like to ever see again.

The Doha final from 2010(to give one example, from his worst surface and a loss to boot)alone beats any HC effort of Rafa's in 2011, with only Miami coming close. And this was at a time when Rafa hadn't won a tournament in 10 months or something like that, not exactly brimming with confidence.

There wasn't a good match in which Fed displayed decent tennis in whole 2008, except maybe USO and Basel finals, that's about it. He didn't even get past the group stage at WTF for the first time in his career.
 

namelessone

Legend
It doesn't work that way. Besides Nadal overall played better on grass and HC in 2011 compared to 2010.

No, he had better results overall(mostly in IW and Miami,lost the USO final as opposed to last year, not to mention the fact that he made WTF finals in 2010 in a tougher group than in 2011) by a tiny margin in 2011 but on HC he played better tennis in 2010 IMO.
 
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