In future years, should Nadal sit out the grass court season like Federer did for clay?

[Mr Feeny]

@junior74 Nevermind my stalker

Aaaaannndd there she is. Like clockwork.

 

[The Green Mile]

TW changes people lol....Can't say I blame posters, it probably gets very nauseating after a while...

 

[TheGhostOfAgassi]

TW changes people lol....Can't say I blame posters, it probably gets very nauseating after a while...

Im impressed that some in here remembers specific posters and make up stories about them.
I dont know f.ex who is your fav players and I dont care. I know you love tennis though, as you are into lots of tennis matches which dont include the big 4, as me. Its not that many in here that are like that. So dont change

 

[sarmpas]

I'm beginning to think during his prime years his speed, fitness and defense allowed him to cover up his technical shortcomings on grass. Post-prime now we're seeing journeymen stature players taking him out not just once but a couple of times the past few years.

 

[Get A Grip]

I had the same idea before Wimb--that Rafa should skip it. But I'm not so sure. He was very close to getting bu Muller, and the further Rafa goes, the better he gets.
It's the extra wear on the body that is the issue.
If he makes semis or more seems worth it.
Still, those points helped a lot, he's now nicely poised to take #1.

It's a hard call. His knees did not seem to be an issue.

 

[Get A Grip]

Nadal was considered the form player in the first week at Wimbledon and was pressing Federer for favouritism. I don't think he'll be skipping it..until he retires.

I'm happy to see you bring that up.
I thought he looked better than Fed, and so did many commies.

 

[reaper]

I'm happy to see you bring that up.
I thought he looked better than Fed, and so did many commies.

There's not a snowball's chance in hell of a fit Nadal skipping Wimbledon. He considers himself a contender for the title.

 

[The Green Mile]

Im impressed that some in here remembers specific posters and make up stories about them.
I dont know f.ex who is your fav players and I dont care. I know you love tennis though, as you are into lots of tennis matches which dont include the big 4, as me. Its not that many in here that are like that. So dont change

I stay for the quality posters, and the match threads. I've actually learned quite a lot from some here, unfortunately you have to dig through the crap to find it at times.

 

[TheGhostOfAgassi]

I stay for the quality posters, and the match threads. I've actually learned quite a lot from some here, unfortunately you have to dig through the crap to find it at times.

After joining the leagues this forum is even better. Its so much fun. But boring when its no leagues going on
Before I joined this forum it was the match threads I watched. But after joining I got entangled into some other stuff too.

 

[Rago]

Federer only skipped the clay season because of injuries and age.

65 consecutive slam appearances for Federer and 50 for Djokovic; I believe they have earned the right to do as they please when it comes to what tourneys they decide to compete in.

If past results are any indication of what might happen in the future, I probably wouldn't hold it against Nadal if he were to skip playing on grass. Not necessarily a bad choice by focusing more on the HC Swing instead.

And to wrap this up, I'm in agreement with a couple of other posters who commented earlier regarding the fact that the guys at the top need to be wise when it comes to scheduling.

 

[Gazelle]

Did I miss something? Is sitting out the grass season not exactly what Nadal did this year? I can't remember seeing him this year, or any of the 5 years past. I was under the impression Nadal had stopped playing on grass.

 

[Rafa the King]

Did I miss something? Is sitting out the grass season not exactly what Nadal did this year? I can't remember seeing him this year, or any of the 5 years past. I was under the impression Nadal had stopped playing on grass.

No, unlike Fed he actually plays the tour when healthy and fit

 

[tennisaddict]

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Sorry, this might irritate a few posters, but everone is scared sh*tless of Rafa on clay, and rightfully so.

No one is scared of late 30's Fed on grass. Back in the day, perhaps... Maybe.
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This seems especially funny after the Cilic panic attack crying episode in the final.

 

[kevaninho]

Its like Rafa has said. Its short changing the fans by skipping tournaments. Obviously Federer doesn't give a **** about French fans or the history of RG . Pretty disappointing in my opinion.

 

[Tennisanity]

Injuries are not really the problem for Nadal at Wimbledon. He was just lucky to win what he has.

 

[Sentinel]

Nadal just needs to reach the second week of Wimbledon, then he is unstoppable !!! You all know that.

Just as this great poaster said a few weeks ago.

Look at it this way: Serve is 100% better, and his BH is a killer weapon now, which means he doesn't need to run around to hit an unreliable BH (as it used to be the past couple of years). That is a huge asset on grass. One of the worst things you can do on grass is needing to run around your BH. Recipe for failure.

But I'm not saying Nadal is a favorite. Just that if he makes it to the 2nd week, all bets are off.

 

[mike danny]

Nadal just needs to reach the second week of Wimbledon, then he is unstoppable !!! You all know that.

Just as this great poaster said a few weeks ago.

Unfortunately Rafa has made it to the second week in both 2014 and 2017, but to no avail.

Myth busted.

 

[Sentinel]

Unfortunately Rafa has made it to the second week in both 2014 and 2017, but to no avail.

Myth busted.

What happened in 2014 ? Must have been Noel !

 

[mike danny]

What happened in 2014 ? Must have been Noel !

It was Kyrgios in the 4R. Sorry to tell you that, mate.

 

[sarmpas]

Injuries are not really the problem for Nadal at Wimbledon. He was just lucky to win what he has.

He wasn't lucky but his amazing defense allowed him to keep the point going and make consistency and fitness the deciding factor more times than not.

 

[sarmpas]

No he definately shouldn't skip it. The past few years he's been one of the highlights consistently delivering when the next gen are proving unreliable.

 

[mike danny]

The Nadal-Muller match was the best match of the tournament.

 

[Gazelle]

Given how since 2012 Nadal has sucked more on grass than Federer on clay, he should skip it. People probably won't even notice.

 

[The_18th_Slam]

Still, those points helped a lot, he's now nicely poised to take #1.

You think those 180 points have positioned him nicely to get to #1? He'd have been better off playing and reaching the Hamburg final.

 

[BeatlesFan]

Rafa is a fighter, a bull, the greatest warrior in tennis. Your idea wouldn't even cross his mind.

What a joke. He sat out Wimbledon 2009 because he was pissed off at losing to Soderling (don't mention "injury," there was none). He declined to play Wimbledon in 2004 and 2016 as well. He's sat out Wimbledon 3 times in the 14 years he's been eligible to play it!

 

[TennisATP]

What a joke. He sat out Wimbledon 2009 because he was pissed off at losing to Soderling (don't mention "injury," there was none). He declined to play Wimbledon in 2004 and 2016 as well. He's sat out Wimbledon 3 times in the 14 years he's been eligible to play it!

Wow you have really lost your mind. lol

2009? Yeah he chose to lose 2000 points at Wimbledon and not try to defend his title just because he was pissed off at losing to Soderling.
2016? He even withdrew during the FO?
2004? I'm surprised you were even born back then. lol

 

[Glimmerman]

The intelligent thing for him would be to sit out the grass court season - to save himself from injuries and knowing he has little chance of competing for Wimbledon in his old age (in fact, he hasn't been a threat at Wimbledon for 6 years).

Federer did the same for clay and it seemed to work out well for him. I think Nadal should at least consider the same for grass. What do you reckon?

Nadal won't ever do that. Federer made a decision and it worked out for him but nonetheless it was strange to see a great legend seemingly throw the white flag against his greatest rival.

Usain Bolt is old in sprinting terms and Declassie (I think that's his name) is the new big thing and 200m is his pet event. I doubt Bolt will skip the 200m even if he is on current form nowehere near his rivals level. It's not generally why the greats in sport do.

Nadal will keep playing Wimbledon. As he should do. Players owe the paying punters a responsibility to turn up.

 

[Glimmerman]

What a joke. He sat out Wimbledon 2009 because he was pissed off at losing to Soderling (don't mention "injury," there was none). He declined to play Wimbledon in 2004 and 2016 as well. He's sat out Wimbledon 3 times in the 14 years he's been eligible to play it!

Are you his doctor? If not please don't make absurd guesses about the reason why Nadal didn't play. He said he was injured. End of story.

 

[Sirius Black]

Considering the grass court season is a whopping 3-4 weeks, I'd say no

 

[TheGhostOfAgassi]

What a joke. He sat out Wimbledon 2009 because he was pissed off at losing to Soderling (don't mention "injury," there was none). He declined to play Wimbledon in 2004 and 2016 as well. He's sat out Wimbledon 3 times in the 14 years he's been eligible to play it!

This is speculation supreme.

 

[Deon Sanders]

Nadal sitting out real tennis surfaces like hard and grass will only bolster the point he is not even a top 10 all time player

Clay is celebrated most in a country with almost 30% unemployment. Tells you all you need to know about clay

 

[sarmpas]

Nadal won't ever do that. Federer made a decision and it worked out for him but nonetheless it was strange to see a great legend seemingly throw the white flag against his greatest rival.

Usain Bolt is old in sprinting terms and Declassie (I think that's his name) is the new big thing and 200m is his pet event. I doubt Bolt will skip the 200m even if he is on current form nowehere near his rivals level. It's not generally why the greats in sport do.

Nadal will keep playing Wimbledon. As he should do. Players owe the paying punters a responsibility to turn up.

Another 'new' poster. Sure you are mate. The pro-Federer argument has grown much stronger this year and people don't like it. Are you one of the fakestorians by any chance?

 

[smoledman]

If Federer is 100% healthy entering Wimbledon next year, Rafa should skip. No need to wreck his body on grass in a futile attempt to win a title there. Let Roger have his Wimbledon 'La Decima'.

 

[TheGhostOfAgassi]

If Federer is 100% healthy entering Wimbledon next year, Rafa should skip. No need to wreck his body on grass in a futile attempt to win a title there. Let Roger have his Wimbledon 'La Decima'.

Federer fans should find another name for it, La Decima is Spanish isnt it? What is it in German?

 

[Newcomer]

He was 1 point from potentially reaching the Wimbledon final this year. He wasn't losing to the troll Cilic, and Querrey was already tired in semifinal. He has only himself to blame for blowing so many chances.

 

[Rago]

What a joke. He sat out Wimbledon 2009 because he was pissed off at losing to Soderling (don't mention "injury," there was none).

When has he ever done anything in the second half of the season after a disappointing showing at the French? Low on confidence sounds about right.

 

[Glimmerman]

Another 'new' poster. Sure you are mate. The pro-Federer argument has grown much stronger this year and people don't like it. Are you one of the fakestorians by any chance?

Federer won two majors on fast surfaces, Wimbledon should be fast of course but the AO was considerably lower bouncing and quicker than ever before.

So we actually have learnt nothing new. Federer has always been in this generation the best fast low bouncing court player..by a distance.

He decided to totally avoid his worse surface. If the USO is not speeded up and the bounce deadened will he even play?

A Nadal v Federer USO final on courts that are medium paced as they usually are in New York would be the true litmus test match.

 

[rommil]

The time Rafa takes before serves is more than enough

 

[newpball]

... why only grass ?

How cruel!

 

[smoledman]

Federer won two majors on fast surfaces, Wimbledon should be fast of course but the AO was considerably lower bouncing and quicker than ever before.

So we actually have learnt nothing new. Federer has always been in this generation the best fast low bouncing court player..by a distance.

He decided to totally avoid his worse surface. If the USO is not speeded up and the bounce deadened will he even play?

A Nadal v Federer USO final on courts that are medium paced as they usually are in New York would be the true litmus test match.

So? Fed is the best fast surface player ever and Nadal is the best clay court player ever. I believe even if US Open is medium bounce but fast pace Roger will win it by a mile.

 

[Shank Volley]

He never will, but that's as much because of the season layout as his own competitive drive. I think that if the grass season and clay season was reversed, with grass being the surface up until just a few weeks before Roland Garros, he'd do exactly what Federer does now.

As it is now, he doesn't sacrifice anything by playing on grass, because he's already cleaned up in his clay campaign. Federer doesn't have the benefit of being able to treat clay as just a short stint after his favourite part of the season.

 

[BeatlesFan]

Are you his doctor? If not please don't make absurd guesses about the reason why Nadal didn't play. He said he was injured. End of story.

And you ARE his doctor? Do tell.

It's not an "absurd guess" as to why Nadal skipped 2009 Wimbledon. Nadal cited "chronic tendinitis" as to why he with didn't play, yet he showed up rarin' to go two weeks later on HC's in Toronto and made it to the QF''s. Anyone with "chronic tendinitis" doesn't make this particular choice. And that is the end of that particular story.

 

[Sentinel]

If Federer is 100% healthy entering Wimbledon next year, Rafa should skip. No need to wreck his body on grass in a futile attempt to win a title there. Let Roger have his Wimbledon 'La Decima'.

He has only eight last I counted. So he needs two more, not one.

In any case, Nadal won't have any impact on Roger at WO, just as Roger wont have any impact on Nadal at FO.

 

[Sentinel]

What a joke. He sat out Wimbledon 2009 because he was pissed off at losing to Soderling (don't mention "injury," there was none). He declined to play Wimbledon in 2004 and 2016 as well. He's sat out Wimbledon 3 times in the 14 years he's been eligible to play it!

He sat out WO 2009 so we can keep on saying he only loses when injured. It was the aura that had to be protected.
Maybe they didn't want him losing early again at WO.

The aura of invincibility.

Did you not know that he would have won WO 2017 were it not for some serve-botter. Or one-trick pony. He was just "two serve-botters away from the final" !

 

[70後]

And you ARE his doctor? Do tell.

It's not an "absurd guess" as to why Nadal skipped 2009 Wimbledon. Nadal cited "chronic tendinitis" as to why he with didn't play, yet he showed up rarin' to go two weeks later on HC's in Toronto and made it to the QF''s. Anyone with "chronic tendinitis" doesn't make this particular choice. And that is the end of that particular story.

You just made a medical diagnosis there. What gives YOU the right to? Are YOU Nadals' doctor? Oh, you are a poster with a Fed head avatar. That's explains.

 

[70後]

What is grass season in the modern era? Sit out for one week, two weeks... three weeks, max, if you're a diehard.

Sorry, this might irritate a few posters, but everone is scared sh*tless of Rafa on clay, and rightfully so.

No one is scared of late 30's Fed on grass. Back in the day, perhaps... Maybe.

Roll the dice and see what happens. What's the worst that could happen? You might lose 2-3 weeks of your life.

The 90's clay courters had it right. Skip it and reject the international media's constant harping of it.

Besides, what grass season?

 

[Tommy Haas]

When a player decides to skip a mandatory tournament due to injury or illness, does he/she need to provide proof of the the diagnosis? I recall one time Serena skipped a mandatory event due to a foot injury or infection and the next day she was seen having a night out on the town wearing open toed high heels with no signs of anything being wrong.

 

[Incognito]

Hey I've tried plenty of times. Everyone has tried. Several posters had enough and gave up. Everything she types has an anti-Fed agenda. Novak and his situation is just the a means to and end as she attempts to belittle Wimbledon and anything Federer achieves there.
The number of times she's insinuated that he's taken PEDs is unfathomable.

Several of the nadal fans can't stand her and they'd easily pm you and tell you not to associate her with nadal fans.

Who are these several Nadal fans?

And buuuuhuuu! "Someone accuses my favorite male tennis idol of taking PEDs. Its unfair!" As if Nadal and djokovic do not get accused of that

 

[octobrina10]

Hey I've tried plenty of times. Everyone has tried. Several posters had enough and gave up. Everything she types has an anti-Fed agenda. Novak and his situation is just the a means to and end as she attempts to belittle Wimbledon and anything Federer achieves there.
The number of times she's insinuated that he's taken PEDs is unfathomable.

Several of the nadal fans can't stand her and they'd easily pm you and tell you not to associate her with nadal fans.

It's what it is, but I'm not going to stop calling out awful posters for their agendas and their bitterness. When. She cried about being left alone, I suggested that she block me after she threatened to do so. After having called her bluff, she backed down and is refusing to block me. So she'll have to deal with it.

Everything what you (and your comrades) type has an anti-Rafa agenda. I don't think that normal posters can stand you.
As for 'several nadal fans', I wonder why several of your comrades are pretending to be Rafa fans. Those pretenders cannot be associated with Rafa fans.

 

[Incognito]

On the topic:

If Fed wants to skip the entire clay season for the remainder of his career, he should do so. That's his prerogative. If Rafa wants to skip grass altogether, he should so as well. They don't owe anyone anything!