Thanks for the responses everyone!
I was thinking that the perspective of that shot was akin to fast serves that land slightly past the service line where the server sees that its out but its a tough call to make from the baseline for the returner mid return. But yes, I felt I had a very good look at it. It was close, but I was confident in the call at the time.Can’t clearly see it out from that video. If the video were the only thing available, I would have to call it in. You undoubtedly had a better look on your side of the court. Anyway, tough calls are part of the sport and your opponent should deal with it.
Actually this happened mid-way through the first set, I think I was up 3-2 on serve at the time. Things were fine up until then unless I'm misremembering something. I was surprised by the reaction though which is why I wanted to confirm if I had made the right call. I do stand by it as of now though, close but out.The video doesn’t really add much to the discussion. It’s not possible to tell with any certainty where it landed.
If your opponent questions a call you can only apologetically stand your ground and say that is how you saw it. If you are making fair calls throughout the match they will usually accept it with reasonable grace, even if they disagree.
Were you getting the rub of the green on most close calls in the match up until that point?
It doesn't matter what the rest of us say because only you were there and only you have to make the call. Just call 'em like you see 'em and give the benefit of the doubt to your opponent.I played in a match today and unfortunately there was a line call I made that dampened the mood of the remainder of the match. Luckily we recorded the match so I was able to look back at it. However, the video doesn't change my mind and I stand by the call but want to hear other opinions as if there is a consensus that the ball was "in", I'd like to apologize to my opponent.
From my perspective, as I was running to the ball I saw it clearly land in the blue a few centimeters out. I wasn't stretched for the ball and had a clear look at it since it was a down the line shot.
Wouldn't the net strap be blocking his POV then? Usually I do give the benefit of the doubt or at least ask what they thought. On this one I was certain enough to where I didn't have doubt when I made the call.It doesn't matter what the rest of us say because only you were there and only you have to make the call. Just call 'em like you see 'em and give the benefit of the doubt to your opponent.
Note that your opponent has a better view of the ball because A) he's relatively static while you are moving; and B) his line of sight is parallel to the ball's trajectory and the line whereas you're moving at an angle. The compensating factor is that you're closer.
Also keep in mind Vic Braden's research about how the ball can roll up to 2" after landing and that our visual system is not granular enough to catch all of that. You may see where the ball landed but you might also see after it has rolled a bit. This makes way more of a difference when the ball passes a line parallel to you, like the BL. It's less of a factor when the line is perpendicular.
FWIW, I saw the ball in. But the net strap is partially blocking the landing point, it's far away, and film resolution and speed is too low to make an accurate call. And I have the luxury of single-stepping through the video multiple times. You don't have that luxury.
The camera view is much higher than your opponent's. If it is blocking me from seeing, then he should have an unobstructed view [minus the net].Wouldn't the net strap be blocking his POV then? Usually I do give the benefit of the doubt or at least ask what they thought. On this one I was certain enough to where I didn't have doubt when I made the call.
Barely. Less than a ball width. By a small enough amount that it's within my margin of error. And again, the video is not of high enough quality to be definitive.
You're right. I'm dancing around the wording because I feel for the situation and am trying to look at it from both sides with the perspective that either of us could be wrong. When I made the call in the match I was 100% certain that I saw it out no debating.The camera view is much higher than your opponent's. If it is blocking me from seeing, then he should have an unobstructed view [minus the net].
In any case, it's your call. The only nit I have is your phrase "certain enough": you're either certain or you're not. "Certain enough" implies something less than 100% to me like "good enough" doesn't necessarily mean "good" but just that it's sufficient for the situation.
Also had a play on the ball, it wasn't a winner or anythingIn your favor, you called it immediately rather than stopping, looking at the area, getting down on your hands and knees to look for fuzz, etc.
Then that's all anyone [including your opponent] can ask for.You're right. I'm dancing around the wording because I feel for the situation and am trying to look at it from both sides with the perspective that either of us could be wrong. When I made the call in the match I was 100% certain that I saw it out no debating.
On hard courts I play them. On clay courts I usually call them out and confirm with the mark. Never been wrong yet. I’ve played plenty of out serves that I was sure were in.Do you call those serves out or play them?
That explains a lot actually. I've had some of my worst squabbles with some of my best friends, all the more reason to put this one to rest. Against someone you don't know, you might feel the need to prove your trustworthiness. With friends, you can feel confident he already knows it.I think it was just a bad day. We play all the time and this wasn't a league or anything. That's why I was questioning myself because usually we're fine.