In tennis, you're either a Fed-fan or a Fed-hater.

canta_Brian

Semi-Pro
The moment Djokovic retires is when 90% of his fans disappear and never watch another tennis match. This is not an observation tainted with malice, it's simply fact. None of them know anything about tennis history or care one thing about it. There are a number of outstanding Nole fans here, everyone knows who they are and respects their input here. The rest are far more into hating on Fed 24/7 even when he has played only 6 matches this entire year. One would suppose it's envy and jealousy. When Novak passes Fed for weeks at #1, it will be much more about embracing the Fed envy/hatred for most of them, than being happy for their guy. It's a bizarre and sad way of fandom, but it's ubiquitous in that particular fan base.
I don't mind the Fed haters. They do it because they recognise the greatness of Fed and cannot argue against his awesomeness. They mangle stats, they claim running side to side is as much fun to watch as inspirational shot making. I mean, they are wrong, obvs.

The ones I don't get are those who just aren't fussed. I don't know how you watch Fed and go, meh.
 

alexio

Hall of Fame
How did we go from the merits of Federer to space travel, soft drinks, and chicken? Only on TT where folks with the attention span of a gnat discuss topics.
tennis is much more than just about fed, especially when you starting to talk about hate you will find even more hate further as a result, so why not to talk about something else, plus tennis season is finished,
 

socallefty

Hall of Fame
I don’t agree with the OP’s premise. What I have noticed in real life and on this forum is that Federer fans exalt him so highly that they don’t seem to understand why any tennis fan doesn’t like his game and his personality above all others. They seem to be puzzled if they meet anyone who feels ‘meh’ about Federer’s game and doesn’t think it is so much more ‘beautiful’ than every other player.

I personally like the aesthetic beauty of Wawrinka’s BH and Thiem’s BH much better, like watching Djokovic‘s movement over Federer, find Federer’s BH slice to be an ugly chop shot and find the Sampras serve to be much more beautiful - but, I like watching Federer‘s FH the best. If I tell this to a Federer fan, they automatically assume I have to be a Federer hater because they don’t seem to understand that someone could have subjective preferences different from putting Federer on a pedestal after watching all these players play in person like I have at Indian Wells over the years.

Federer fans also don’t seem to understand that for those who are not rabid fans of Federer, tennis fans have seen him lose a vast majority of big matches and tournament finals against his two main rivals for more than a decade. Due to recency bias which is a perfectly normal human trait, it is hard for a casual fan to feel like Federer is better than Djokovic when he has not been the better player since 2010 and kept losing to him in major tournaments.

So, it is not a surprise to see this OP think that if you don’t love Federer, you must hate him. The reality is that he had ‘his day’ a long time ago and he is hardly relevant anymore in most tournaments outside of grass. Now that his major records are being broken and he is likely to retire soon, his grip on the public memory will fade fast just as has happened with other legends of the sport. I’m happy to have had a chance to watch him for so many years and it has been a real treat to see him beat back all contenders except Djokovic even in his late thirties.
 
I don’t agree with the OP’s premise. What I have noticed in real life and on this forum is that Federer fans exalt him so highly that they don’t seem to understand why any tennis fan doesn’t like his game and his personality above all others. They seem to be puzzled if they meet anyone who feels ‘meh’ about Federer’s game and doesn’t think it is so much more ‘beautiful’ than every other player.

I personally like the aesthetic beauty of Wawrinka’s BH and Thiem’s BH much better, like watching Djokovic‘s movement over Federer, find Federer’s BH slice to be an ugly chop shot and find the Sampras serve to be much more beautiful - but, I like watching Federer‘s FH the best. If I tell this to a Federer fan, they automatically assume I have to be a Federer hater because they don’t seem to understand that someone could have subjective preferences different from putting Federer on a pedestal after watching all these players play in person like I have at Indian Wells over the years.

Federer fans also don’t seem to understand that for those who are not rabid fans of Federer, tennis fans have seen him lose a vast majority of big matches and tournament finals against his two main rivals for more than a decade. Due to recency bias which is a perfectly normal human trait, it is hard for a casual fan to feel like Federer is better than Djokovic when he has not been the better player since 2010 and kept losing to him in major tournaments.

So, it is not a surprise to see this OP think that if you don’t love Federer, you must hate him. The reality is that he had ‘his day’ a long time ago and he is hardly relevant anymore in most tournaments outside of grass. Now that his major records are being broken and he is likely to retire soon, his grip on the public memory will fade fast just as has happened with other legends of the sport. I’m happy to have had a chance to watch him for so many years and it has been a real treat to see him beat back all contenders except Djokovic even in his late thirties.
I take some of your points. And I thank you for weighing in.

Consider the likes of you an exception to the rule on these boards.

I'll quickly address your final point:

It is rather curious that a has-been from another day continues to inspire so much hatred—day-in, day-out—so long after his expiration date, no?
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
I don't mind the Fed haters. They do it because they recognise the greatness of Fed and cannot argue against his awesomeness. They mangle stats, they claim running side to side is as much fun to watch as inspirational shot making. I mean, they are wrong, obvs.

The ones I don't get are those who just aren't fussed. I don't know how you watch Fed and go, meh.
This avatar is becoming famous lol
 

socallefty

Hall of Fame
It is rather curious that a has-been from another day continues to inspire so much hatred—day-in, day-out—so long after his expiration date, no?
It could be because he still holds all the important records. For those who didn’t appreciate watching him in his prime 12-15 years ago and became fans of Nadal and Djokovic amongst others, there is a resentment that he still held all the major records when they didn’t think he was the better player. As his records get broken, these fans might subside in their hate.

I also think that the overbearing attitude that most Fed fans have about his ‘superiority’ puts off a lot of people and they get more aggressive when they debate this. At least on this forum, some of this hate might be self-inflicted due the elitist, snobbish ‘I am better and holier than thou’ attitude of Fedfans.
 

tonylg

Hall of Fame
We've witnessed a turning point in the history of the game that has removed variety and made it a sport of attrition more than skill. Although he doesn't really play that way any more, Federer represents a style of play that fans of the "modern game" hate. The all court style of tennis that requires talent and execution outside the skillset of the baseline bots that dominate the slow courts of today. Of course the fact that someone with that skillset holds records is also difficult for them to accept.

They don't just hate Federer, they hate the idea that there could be more to the sport than bashing from the baseline. They think of Sampras and Becker as servebots and Edberg and Rafter as net rushers. It's the threat of variety that they hate. The idea that the records of their heroes are linked to the homogenization of the game, rather than being the most completely wonderful tennis players in the history of the sport.

That's where their hatred comes from and conversely, where my hatred of modern baseline bots comes from. I didn't mind the baseline bots when they won on slow surfaces and the all court players had to struggle to beat them, with the reverse applying on faster surfaces. However, the very idea that someone other than a baseline bot could win a title, or hold some records, drives the fans of slow court tennis nuts.
 

canta_Brian

Semi-Pro
I have seen both Fed and Djok on centre at Wimbledon. Fed ages ago and Djok in 2019. Both were early round matches. All seats were taken for Fed, including the famously indifferent royal box. There were plenty of empty seats for the Djok match. I think this is what upsets the Djokonutters. They are just so desparate for other people to love Djok as much as they do.
 

ND-13

Professional
I agree with the OP. Over this year, I have seen more Federer threads than any other player. And this in a year where he played 1 tournament.
 

Tennis_Hands

Bionic Poster
I don’t agree with the OP’s premise. What I have noticed in real life and on this forum is that Federer fans exalt him so highly that they don’t seem to understand why any tennis fan doesn’t like his game and his personality above all others. They seem to be puzzled if they meet anyone who feels ‘meh’ about Federer’s game and doesn’t think it is so much more ‘beautiful’ than every other player.

I personally like the aesthetic beauty of Wawrinka’s BH and Thiem’s BH much better, like watching Djokovic‘s movement over Federer, find Federer’s BH slice to be an ugly chop shot and find the Sampras serve to be much more beautiful - but, I like watching Federer‘s FH the best. If I tell this to a Federer fan, they automatically assume I have to be a Federer hater because they don’t seem to understand that someone could have subjective preferences different from putting Federer on a pedestal after watching all these players play in person like I have at Indian Wells over the years.
You seem to make a point that Federer is not at the top of your list for every shot, but is that what makes a fan? That seems rather unrealistic, as I don't believe that there is something like that at all: that would be the perfect player, no?

Instead one delves into the style of the player (all court, aggressive baseline, counterpuncher, moonballer, pusher whatever), then looks for his preferences in shots (preference for FH/BH/Serve any or many of those), then maybe some technical things like stroke mechanics etc etc and somewhere it clicks whether one likes a player or he would rather look elsewhere, but there is always a net positive or a net negative. Without delving too much into the definition of the word "fan", let's just say that that is a tennis follower that views said player in overwhelmingly positive light. You chose to use the words "why any tennis fan doesn't like his game". Now, it is hard to see it, if you like some aspects, and in others he is simply not your best pick, but still high. Unless the negatives are outweighing the positives that definition is indeed odd, regardless if it is applied to Federer or to any other player towards whom the spectator has such preferences. One doesn't say that he doesn't like someone's game, if it is off from the perfect scenario by a couple of points.

BTW, to be a "fan" is not about putting on a pedestal, but rather about appreciating what is in front of you. They are all humans, just like the rest of us. They do however awake an emotion, when they do things that we appreciate. Federer's fluidity is second to none. It really is like watching a perfect harmony, and that is especially difficult in a brutal sport like tennis.

:cool:
 

Gorecki

G.O.A.T.
I still like Pepsi, I just don't despise Coke anymore :D



I must get some Bojangles when im in the Carolinas this week. My main issue with KFC is their sides, their potatoes are good sure, but their mac, green beans, slaw, etc are abysmal. Bojangles, Popeyes and Chickfila all have great sides.



Bojangles dirty rice :love:
my memory comes from a trip in my first visit to US, traveling by car from NJ to Myrtle Beach. adolescent at the time, first time in USA... what a summer...
 
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BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
I can't speak to all of the mutations of fandom in this forum but have noted other iconography here. It's sadly divisive because if one does not share all of their opinions on a specific talent, while even agreeing with the player's overall mastery, they are shouted down as a hater. It squelches discussion.
@RiverRat

All good points. I strongly suggest you utilize the "ignore" feature on this site and screen out the trolls, haters, bores and general malcontents. It makes the Forum a lot better.
 

Devtennis01

Hall of Fame
What's odd for me is I have never met anyone who does not like Federer and I am heavily into tennis in my personal life and always end up talking tennis with that one other tennis fan at a social gathering.
BUT I have come across so many Federer haters on tennis forums and on social media.
Weird.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
It's the non-existent race called the GOAT that creates the particularly heightened emotion around the FED/NOT FED choice for those who support the two rivals among the NOT FED.

Even though Fed has not played, this race tightened this year.
 

BackhandDTL

Hall of Fame
What's odd for me is I have never met anyone who does not like Federer and I am heavily into tennis in my personal life and always end up talking tennis with that one other tennis fan at a social gathering.
BUT I have come across so many Federer haters on tennis forums and on social media.
Weird.
Same here. Haven’t met a single Ned fan. Only Fred.
 

Swingmaster

Professional
Always liked Pepsi better till like a year ago. Lived with someone that was very very pro Coke and and slowly got converted. Plus Coke has the freestyle machine which is bae :love:

Ever been to the World of CocaCola tasting room in Atlanta? To connect it to tennis, that was kind of strange that Nadal played an exhibition with Dimitrov this year in Atlanta. Didn’t they? I find that weird. To connect it to Federer, I think Federer should consider some big outdoor venues for the Laver Cup. Perhaps in Atlanta.
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
Ever been to the World of CocaCola tasting room in Atlanta? To connect it to tennis, that was kind of strange that Nadal played an exhibition with Dimitrov this year in Atlanta. Didn’t they? I find that weird.
Extremely weird that Nadal was in Atlanta lol. I haven't been
 

tonylg

Hall of Fame
I was a fan of Lendl AND Becker AND Edberg AND Sampras AND Leconte AND Others .. all at pretty much the same time.

Didn't give a stuff who had won how many slams (still don't), just enjoyed "the good tennis".
 

Clay lover

Hall of Fame
Certainly the case here. People being even slightly anti-Fed on some issues based on case-by-case judgements get admonished, same for those who criticize Nadal. A great deal of projection goes around in here with those in one fanbase assuming that everyone not in the fanbase must be in another or purely detracting for selfish reasons.

All this projecting drives even neutral fans to the extreme of hating the player because they hate his fans so much they're starting to confuse the fans with the player.
 

Arak

Semi-Pro
There were both past their primes by 2019. Sure, 40-15 was a great effort from Fed, but at the end of the day there's only 1 hero of this story :cool:



Unquestionably the end result is all that matters at the end, but no.1 player in the world at 31 years old (not past his prime by any standard) should have obliterated 38 years old Federer in 3 sets. However Federer took two sets at 6-1 and 6-4 and Djokovic won all his sets on tiebreaks with last set at 13-12. This match if anything shows the greatness of Federer.
 

ABCD

Hall of Fame
It is rather curious that a has-been from another day continues to inspire so much hatred—day-in, day-out—so long after his expiration date, no?
Federer does not inspire hatred, his fans do. For years it was claimed that Nadal is dope while Djokovic had a nickname "Lance" (why nobody suggests that anymore?). Any opinion that was not in line with worshipping Federer was considered to be trolling.
 
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Third Serve

G.O.A.T.
Federer does not inspire hatred, his fans do. For years it was claimed that Nadal is dope while Djokovic had a nickname "Lance" (why nobody suggests that anymore). Any opinion that would not be in line with worshipping of Federer was considered to be trolling.
He is quite dope, I must admit.
 

terribleIVAN

Hall of Fame
None of them know anything about tennis history or care one thing about it.
It's not just the random fan.

There's plenty of Tennis insiders and current and past players who have exposed Fed.

From past champions, to commentators, former coaches and fellow junior players.

Including umpires who fined him for his on court obscenities.



The same goes for Serena.
 

terribleIVAN

Hall of Fame
Federer does not inspire hatred
He inspires plenty since he started badmouthing fellows ATG's, but the media and the industry is actively censuring everything because he brings money.

Youtube deletes any video exposing his recurrent poor sportmanship.
 

rhoder

Rookie
I love his tennis, his elegant playstyle is unrivalled. But his character is nothing special, and he’s not a saint in my eyes even though many try to portray him as such.

That said, I think he’s a good ambassador for the sport.
 

Nadal_Django

Hall of Fame
Federer who? If it's not for #311 I would totally forgot about the existence of that guy! And what Federer threads here!? All I see are Djokovic and Nadal threads. Federer is relevant as old Nokia phone right now...The ego in these Maestronians. :oops: LOL
 

King No1e

G.O.A.T.
I love his tennis, his elegant playstyle is unrivalled. But his character is nothing special, and he’s not a saint in my eyes even though many try to portray him as such.

That said, I think he’s a good ambassador for the sport.
He may not be a saint but he's clearly just a really nice, likable guy.
 

King No1e

G.O.A.T.
Unquestionably the end result is all that matters at the end, but no.1 player in the world at 31 years old (not past his prime by any standard) should have obliterated 38 years old Federer in 3 sets. However Federer took two sets at 6-1 and 6-4 and Djokovic won all his sets on tiebreaks with last set at 13-12. This match if anything shows the greatness of Federer.
It showed the greatness of both players. Federer for his longevity (but we already knew that) and Djokovic for his insane self-belief and mental strength. On the ropes virtually the whole match, but that warrior's spirit just would not be extinguished. 8-7 40-15 is more than a score, it represents hope in the face of impending defeat, and the power of saying "hold on....it's not over yet."

That said, the whole match was rather scratchy from both players. 2014 was a better quality match IMO.
 
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