In the final analysis, Federer actually came closer to the CYGS (TWICE)

WildRevolver said:
I know Djokovic's run this year was the most dramatic because he took it down to the very last match out of the 28 grand slam matches needed to achieve the CYGS, but he fell 3 sets short of what was needed. Federer, actually came closer to Novak's '21 run twice. In fact, Novak was closer in '15 than this year.

Here is the breakdown of how the Big 3 have fared in getting the necessary sets required to win all four GS:

Federer:

2006: -2 sets required
2007: -2 sets required

Djokovic

2015: -2 sets required
2021: -3 sets required

Nadal:

2010: -9 sets required
2019: -7 sets required
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This proves it. Federer is GOAT. Debate is over.
 
One Handed Dynasty said:
Even as a huge Federer fan this is a giant over reach. Novak let the moment get to him and had less left in the tank than we all thought, but even two sets down he had better odds of beating Medvedev than Fed ever had of beating Rafa in ‘06 or ‘07 at RG. Heck, give me this version of Novak down 2 sets vs Medvedev over any version of Fed up two sets vs ‘06 or ‘07 Rafa at RG. That’s actually still easy money, you’d have to give Fed 3 or 4 games and a break point in the final set against this year’s Nadal for 50/50 odds.
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Peak Fed would have destroyed this version of Medvedev. Djokovic to be honest wasn't playing best all the year. He was winning cos the inability of NextGen to hold their nerves under pressure.
Djokovic got exhausted because of his own game style. Fed never used to win in those grinding fashion. And if he were in djokovics position he could have easily beaten any Next Gen final ..providing that 33-34 yr old Federer Peakovic a run for his money in 2015. Guess what Federer played over 150 matches in the tour with 2014-15 combined.
 
Yes, that's exactly how it works, you gotta retroactively ignore slam tournaments lost if USO is in the bag.

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T007 said:
Add 2009 to it as he one set away in both AO and USO Final.

Djokovic had cakewalk draws till SFs this year but his performance proved that he wasn't that good against a deflated field to win CYGS
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Its why i do not think Djokovic wins a slam again. When he realises what a golden chamce he had at both Olympics and Uso to make history i really think it will break him
 
Surely this has been mentioned already but in case it hasn't - Novak too made it to three slams plus one final two times, the exact same as Federer - 2015 and 2021. The difference boils down to just one extra set won by Fed in the RG final. So that doesn't mean he got closer than Novak twice. And to the contrary, Federer never made it to US Open having already won the first three slams of the year. So he was NEVER in a position to win the CYGS. Nor was Nadal. Only Novak even got to that point.
 
WildRevolver said:
I know Djokovic's run this year was the most dramatic because he took it down to the very last match out of the 28 grand slam matches needed to achieve the CYGS, but he fell 3 sets short of what was needed. Federer, actually came closer to Novak's '21 run twice. In fact, Novak was closer in '15 than this year.

Here is the breakdown of how the Big 3 have fared in getting the necessary sets required to win all four GS:

Federer:

2006: -2 sets required
2007: -2 sets required

Djokovic

2015: -2 sets required
2021: -3 sets required

Nadal:

2010: -9 sets required
2019: -7 sets required
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Good lord, so many likes for an OP so devoid of logic. What I just said is staring you in the face in the data you have yourself compiled and yet you claim Fed got closer to the CYGS than Novak TWICE.
 
aman92 said:
Assuming he wins the FO and Wimbledon without Nadal which he probably would have... He would be going for 6 in a row at the USO along with the CYGS.. Pressure would be immense but then again his biggest competition on Hard courts then was his bunny Roddick so you are probably right.
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Bunny Roddick took him to four at the USO. With CYGS pressure, could well turn into a Roddick victory.
 
WildRevolver said:
I know Djokovic's run this year was the most dramatic because he took it down to the very last match out of the 28 grand slam matches needed to achieve the CYGS, but he fell 3 sets short of what was needed. Federer, actually came closer to Novak's '21 run twice. In fact, Novak was closer in '15 than this year.

Here is the breakdown of how the Big 3 have fared in getting the necessary sets required to win all four GS:

Federer:

2006: -2 sets required
2007: -2 sets required

Djokovic

2015: -2 sets required
2021: -3 sets required

Nadal:

2010: -9 sets required
2019: -7 sets required
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LOL

Djokovic was 1 match away from the GS (2021), Federer 15 (2006 and 2007), Nadal 18 (2009).
 
adil1972 said:
which one of these players are one slam wonder like delpotro

med
theim
tsipisas
zeverv

add of your own
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Domi looks the most like it. Really seems to be done after winning a slam. He looks like he will wind up even more of a one slam wonder than Delpo, like the kind of player who will later make you wonder how he even won that one slam. Sissy and Zed are presently slamless wonders so nothing to comment. Med looks good for another at minimum.
 
What you jokers fail to realize here is that nobody was going to stop Fed from winning CYGS in 2006 except that lone loss to Nadal because only Nadal on clay could have done it and that Nadal was far better than any Nadal that Novak faced after 2014 with the sole exception of 2020 which Novak got butchered.

So it is actually a colossal wastage of time to even engage in a discussion with you lot who cannot acknowledge this basic fact, once you acknowledge this fact then we can discuss further after we move on and come to a common ground, otherwise we are still just glorifying our heroes here as if our prestige depends on it.

Why for once can't you come out of your miserable obsession with your hero and accept that the other guy was scary close too, there is no pressure when you are light years ahead of the rest of the field..... get this in your heads all of you
 
Federer came really close to CYGS in 2006, 2007 and came close to the NCYGS in 2009-2010 period.
Nadal never came really close to CYGS but he can very close to NCYGS in 2010-2011 period at the time of the AO.
Novak came close to CYGS in 2015 and 2021 and he actually got the NCYGS in 2015-2016

Note 2011, 2004 and 2010 were also close to CYGS as they were 3 slams years but not that close, Novak would have had to beat Rafa even if he beat Fed, Fed if he beat Kuerten not sure if he would beat everyone else or not, but you could still think maybe he would? In 2010 if Nadal was fit at AO things could be different but then we never know....
 
I don’t want to be too anal. Djokovic did all 4 and Fed was stopped there only because of Nadal.

Rest all is semantics
 
Nah, he never did. Novak was stopped near the finishing line, Fed never even got to that point.

Fed was close in 2006 though, would bet good money on him winning CYGS if he had won FO that year (and the gap between him and Nadal on clay wasn't as big compared to other years).
 
In theory both Fed in 2006 and Djokovic in 2015 were up a set in the final of the one slam they didn't win in both of those seasons, so assuming all else plays out exactly the same you could say they were closer in those years? But that's not really how it works, in practice Federer never got close.
 
zagor said:
Nah, he never did. Novak was stopped near the finishing line, Fed never even got to that point.

Fed was close in 2006 though, would bet good money on him winning CYGS if he had won FO that year (and the gap between him and Nadal on clay wasn't as big compared to other years).
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It's possible Federer actually felt the RG final was the defacto CYGS match, which could explain why he seemed so nervous after the 1st set of the 2006 final.
 
Amen786 said:
What a poor lie and defence after being caught out for open racism. "I'm black homie". No way I'm believing this.
I thought you were a good poster from whatever interactions we had in last 2 weeks or so.
but seriously, this is a SHAME...
I HOPE ALLAH GRANTS YOU WITH NON RACIST MENTALITY.
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What, he's racist against himself :-D

And MN posted his picture (even video) many times on the forum, don't play dumb.
 
InsideOut900 said:
It's possible Federer actually felt the RG final was the defacto CYGS match, which could explain why he seemed so nervous after the 1st set of the 2006 final.
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Pretty sure he did, he was also coached by Roche in those years who probably told him many first hand stories about Laver. Fed was gunning for CYGS in 2006, no doubt in my mind.
 
T007 said:
Peak Fed would have destroyed this version of Medvedev. Djokovic to be honest wasn't playing best all the year. He was winning cos the inability of NextGen to hold their nerves under pressure.
Djokovic got exhausted because of his own game style. Fed never used to win in those grinding fashion. And if he were in djokovics position he could have easily beaten any Next Gen final ..providing that 33-34 yr old Federer Peakovic a run for his money in 2015. Guess what Federer played over 150 matches in the tour with 2014-15 combined.
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Fed gave 2015 Peakovic a run for his money on faster surfaces, he lost to Seppi at AO and got smoked by his pigeon at the French. He wasn't even a contender on slower surfaces.
 
zagor said:
Pretty sure he did, he was also coached by Roche in those years who probably told him many first hand stories about Laver. Fed was gunning for CYGS in 2006, no doubt in my mind.
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For sure in those 2006/2007 matches at the FO Fed was dealing with more pressure than just another slam final - something seldom spoken about. Djokovic himself laid an egg in the first set of the 2016 FO final and he was playing Murray lol.
 
zagor said:
What, he's racist against himself :-D

And MN posted his picture (even video) many times on the forum, don't play dumb.
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@MichaelNadal has already forgove me for that. Because I wasn't acknowledged about it & didn't know him much.
Also, I don't like playing dumb. I don't follow any people here closely because I've not made friends with anyone (yet), and I also dont participate in forum's non-tennis sections.
once I familiarise with everyone I'll maybe stop making such silly mistakes.
no one other than the almighty is error free.
 
zagor said:
Fed gave 2015 Peakovic a run for his money on faster surfaces, he lost to Seppi at AO and got smoked by his pigeon at the French. He wasn't even a contender on slower surfaces.
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He beat djoker 3 times on HC and performed way better than 34 year old djoker in 2015 open. He thrashed peak Stan in straight sets in USO.
 
WildRevolver said:
I know Djokovic's run this year was the most dramatic because he took it down to the very last match out of the 28 grand slam matches needed to achieve the CYGS, but he fell 3 sets short of what was needed. Federer, actually came closer to Novak's '21 run twice. In fact, Novak was closer in '15 than this year.

Here is the breakdown of how the Big 3 have fared in getting the necessary sets required to win all four GS:

Federer:

2006: -2 sets required
2007: -2 sets required

Djokovic

2015: -2 sets required
2021: -3 sets required

Nadal:

2010: -9 sets required
2019: -7 sets required
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No, actually Djokovic is the only one that came close to that. Federer and Nadal failed before that last event took place )))

But it doesn't matter. At the end, none of them won CYGS.

)))
 
6august said:
No, actually Djokovic is the only one that came close to that. Federer and Nadal failed before that last event took place )))

But it doesn't matter. At the end, none of them won CYGS.

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Djokovic is the weakling who came close to it by facing geriatric nadal and still fell short
 
FEDRER NEVER WON AO and FO and WIMBELDON TOGETHER. END OF STORY.
NADAL ALSO THE SAME.
ONLY NOVAK REACHED WITHIN 1 MATCH OF CYGS BUT FAILED TO DO SO.
but he managed to win 4 in a row (NCYGS).
Want to give fedrer some benifit of doubt if nadal was not there in FO fedrer would have managed CYGS.
 
gamelovergold said:
FEDRER NEVER WON AO and FO and WIMBELDON TOGETHER. END OF STORY.
NADAL ALSO THE SAME.
ONLY NOVAK REACHED WITHIN 1 MATCH OF CYGS BUT FAILED TO DO SO.
but he managed to win 4 in a row (NCYGS).
Want to give fedrer some benifit of doubt if nadal was not there in FO fedrer would have managed CYGS.
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Taking nothing away from Fed's greatness..and how amazing Rafa was at RG...we'll never know.
Would he succumb somewhat to the pressure of trying to win the CYGS as even Novak appeared to in '21?
He never put himself in that position, nor did Rafa.
 
RaulRamirez said:
Taking nothing away from Fed's greatness..and how amazing Rafa was at RG...we'll never know.
Would he succumb somewhat to the pressure of trying to win the CYGS as even Novak appeared to in '21?
He never put himself in that position, nor did Rafa.
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Nadal was the only player who was better than fedrer (in clay). Rest of players were never giving any trouble to fedrer.
There is no way to know but i strongly think that fedrer would have won CYGS if we remove nadal.
 
gamelovergold said:
Nadal was the only player who was better than fedrer (in clay). Rest of players were never giving any trouble to fedrer.
There is no way to know but i strongly think that fedrer would have won CYGS if we remove nadal.
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My goal isn't to knock Roger, but back to the OP, Player A wasn't closer to winning the CYGS (than Player B) if he doesn't win the second major of the year.

As to if he would've won the true Grand Slam were it not for Rafa, we're really talking about 2006 and 2007.
He had three 3-slam seasons, but In 2004, Roger lost in the third round of RG.
But again, if he won at RG in either or both of 2006 and 2007, would the pressure of winning the CYGS had gotten to him?
 
metsman said:
Saying Fraud would have crumbled under pressure in 2006 or 2007 is ridiculous. Unless you say pressure affects him at 2007 Wimbledon, there's no chance Fed of those years loses to opponents he knows he's better than (and 2007 he still had that belief at Wimbledon anyways but it was too close for comfort). But of course if Fed had somehow beaten Nadal at RG or Nadal had lost earlier, we know there's no chance Fed loses to him at Wimby if he even makes it there lol. The only time that even happened in his prime was all the way at the end in 2009.
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In 2007 Federer could have lost to Nadal at Wimbledon for sure. And although the USO final wasn't as close, Djokovic served 6-5 40-0 in the first and was a break up in the 2nd and had set points too, Federer outclutched him. It might not have been the case with CYGS on the line.

2006 yes, if Federer beats Nadal at RG I don't see anyone stopping him from the CYGS, butterfly effect or not.

It's basically what I said back in the day:

BauerAlmeida said:
We don't know what would have happened in 2007 had he won RG, his mentality was a big part in winning the finals of Wimbledon and USO, and that might have been different had he won RG and had the Grand Slam pressure.

But in 2006 if he had won RG he would have won the Grand Slam, little argument there.
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Who knows. Djokovic is the only one who lost winnable matches that could have given him a CYGS. Federer missed it each time it the 3 times he did by 1 match by losing to Nadal at RG, or a 3rd round match at RG, so none were truly winnable or close as Nadal at RG is not a winnable match for Federer. Of course Djojkovic's times coming close were not with a prime Nadal at RG, apart from maybe 2011 where it was Federer himself who stopped the chance, and technically he was 2 (both not gimme) matches away, and not in the final slam of the year either. How a player handles the pressure if they reach the US Open is also different, so in that sense Djokovic was closer in that he only had to win the 28th match and a really winnable match/opponent- Medvedev, but that day crumbled under the pressure and lost in straight sets. Well technically you could say Federer lost 2 winnable matches en route to what could have been a grand slam in 2009, but considering he could have just as easily won 0 slams that year, I am not comfortable considering that.
 
BauerAlmeida said:
In 2007 Federer could have lost to Nadal at Wimbledon for sure. And although the USO final wasn't as close, Djokovic served 6-5 40-0 in the first and was a break up in the 2nd and had set points too, Federer outclutched him. It might not have been the case with CYGS on the line.

2006 yes, if Federer beats Nadal at RG I don't see anyone stopping him from the CYGS, butterfly effect or not.

It's basically what I said back in the day:
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yeah but for all we know if Ned loses 07 RG he loses early at Wimby (Or withdraws). Not to mention the big swing in confidence if Fed somehow won RG (beating Nadal or Nadal losing to someone else)

Thinking Fed loses to virgin Djokovic in the USO F regardless of how many set points is certifiable insanity. Especially with a freakin CYGS on the line.

Anyways why are we revisiting 4 year old hypothetical hypotheticals lol
 
metsman said:
yeah but for all we know if Ned loses 07 RG he loses early at Wimby (Or withdraws). Not to mention the big swing in confidence if Fed somehow won RG (beating Nadal or Nadal losing to someone else)
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Which is why these hypotheticals are meaningless, especially the ones that involve moving a player to different years, as if a player will peak or slump at the same time. This one at least is more grounded in reality. Sure, Nadal can withdraw or he can lose early at Wimbledon, but he can also win the event. Alcaraz lost to Djokovic at RG and then won Wimbledon beating him. Maybe if Federer wins RG he has more confidence at Wimbledon and beats Nadal more comfortably than he did in 2006 instead of outclutching him. Maybe Nadal has more desire for revenge as he lost at RG and he wins in 5 instead of losing in 5.


metsman said:
Thinking Fed loses to virgin Djokovic in the USO F regardless of how many set points is certifiable insanity.
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Federer lost to "virgin Djokovic" at the AO, a few months later, and he lost on HC to him at Montreal a few months prior. Not to mention Djokovic had very realistic chances of winning the first two sets. So no, the idea that in a different scenario, Djokovic can take that match is not insanity. Just like Federer potentially winning their AO 2008 meeting (he had set points in one of the sets and served for another, IIRC) is not "certifiable insanity" either. A straight-set match can be closer than a non-straight-set match. At AO 2016, Djokovic demolished Federer, that's a match where suggesting an opposite outcome would be insanity, yet he lost a set, while in the much closer matches in 2008 or 2011, he didn't.


metsman said:
Especially with a freakin CYGS on the line.
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That's precisely what could make it closer. Why do you think CYGS on the line would make it easier? Djokovic destroyed Medvedev at AO 2021 and lost to him easily at USO 2021. We are talking about a clearly inferior player while Federer and Djokovic are players of the same caliber.
 
BauerAlmeida said:
That's precisely what could make it closer. Why do you think CYGS on the line would make it easier? Djokovic destroyed Medvedev at AO 2021 and lost to him easily at USO 2021. We are talking about a clearly inferior player while Federer and Djokovic are players of the same caliber.
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i think more like fred would win it either way, in four or five sets, dont forget that for djo it was his first slam final which kinda also difficult to handle from mental standpoint plus its different location, at ao he feels himself more comfortable
 
T007 said:
Peak Fed would have destroyed this version of Medvedev. Djokovic to be honest wasn't playing best all the year. He was winning cos the inability of NextGen to hold their nerves under pressure.
Djokovic got exhausted because of his own game style. Fed never used to win in those grinding fashion. And if he were in djokovics position he could have easily beaten any Next Gen final ..providing that 33-34 yr old Federer Peakovic a run for his money in 2015. Guess what Federer played over 150 matches in the tour with 2014-15 combined.
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If you take out their first two slam matches when Djokovic was 19 and 20, their slam match-up was 11-4 Djokovic, with Federer never having more than a one-slam lead. Djokovic was 21 and led with an AO win.

Federer was stopped at '06-07 RG. The only one who came within shouting distance was Djokovic in 2021!
 
WildRevolver said:
I know Djokovic's run this year was the most dramatic because he took it down to the very last match out of the 28 grand slam matches needed to achieve the CYGS, but he fell 3 sets short of what was needed. Federer, actually came closer to Novak's '21 run twice. In fact, Novak was closer in '15 than this year.

Here is the breakdown of how the Big 3 have fared in getting the necessary sets required to win all four GS:

Federer:

2006: -2 sets required
2007: -2 sets required

Djokovic

2015: -2 sets required
2021: -3 sets required

Nadal:

2010: -9 sets required
2019: -7 sets required
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What about 2009 for Federer - 2 sets required there are well
 
SonnyT said:
If you take out their first two slam matches when Djokovic was 19 and 20,
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I could give a pass to asterisking the first one (AO'07 in an earlier round), but taking out the second one USO'07 is utter bollocks because:

a) It was at the end of Djoko's break out season
b) It was a goddamn major final, and
c) Novak won the very next Slam

Also, by that logic you should also remove the 2020 match with injured old Fed, maybe 2019 against 38 y.o. Fed as well.

Why not just keep them all?
 
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