Indian Moon Mission led by women!

I am watching the live stream now from my speedy 56Kbps connection in Calcutta hoping that the electricity does not cut off. Excited to report that clean running water may be restored within a few days.
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Sometimes when there is no water for 2-3 days, and we are managing on some buckets we managed to fill, then when the water does return we are quite excited and happy. These are the joys you avail of in the 3rd world which you 1st worlders are denied of !

Did you say "clean" ? Well, yes, we do consider muddy water clean.
 
Chennai is reportedly almost completely out of water.

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Sometimes when there is no water for 2-3 days, and we are managing on some buckets we managed to fill, then when the water does return we are quite excited and happy. These are the joys you avail of in the 3rd world which you 1st worlders are denied of !

Did you say "clean" ? Well, yes, we do consider muddy water clean.

I saw a sign that said, "Next world war will be fought over water"... But isn't water constantly recycled via the oceans, land and clo uds? Could there really be a shortage? Where does the water go?
 
I think he was quite serious.
He is not the sort to joke about such things. If someone else joked about it, he would accuse them of insulting H*ism, and our complete heritage, history culture etc. That is why perhaps everyone has kept mum.

Transplanting an elephants head onto a man is a far greater technological feat than launching a lunar probe.
Where in New Delhi do I go to get such a head transplant?
 
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“We can feel proud of what our country achieved in medical science at one point of time,” the prime minister told a gathering of doctors and other professionals at a hospital in Mumbai on Saturday. “We all read about Karna in the Mahabharata. If we think a little more, we realise that the Mahabharata says Karna was not born from his mother’s womb. This means that genetic science was present at that time. That is why Karna could be born outside his mother’s womb
I am sure @sureshs will back me up on this.
In the Mahabharata, the king Dhritarashtra had a hundred sons (and one daughter). They were from one mother, Gandhari. She gave birth to a ball of flesh after about 2 years of gestation.
Then she was asked to cut this into 101 pieces and put the pieces in pots/jars with ghee. She waited for two years and then the sons (and daughter) were born.

The jars were obviously ancient test-tubes. This was far greater science than we have today. Suresh can tell you more about the great inventions and technologies of that era. The west has of course tried to debunk it all as mythology and post-date it to the 8th or 10th century.
 
Transplanting an elephants head onto a man is a far greater technological feat than launching a lunar probe.
Where in New Delhi do I go to get such a head transplant?
Try Sir Gangaram Hospital.

I saw a sign that said, "Next world war will be fought over water"... But isn't water constantly recycled via the oceans, land and clo uds? Could there really be a shortage? Where does the water go?

I am told we are roughly 70 % water. So as our population increases, and/or suresh's waste sighs increases, all that water will be within us. So there will be none outside. :D :D
 
I saw a sign that said, "Next world war will be fought over water"... But isn't water constantly recycled via the oceans, land and clo uds? Could there really be a shortage? Where does the water go?
In the cities the water doesn't go back to the ground because of the concrete which absorbs it.
Then also a lot of fresh water in India comes from glaciers via rivers like Ganga and Yamuna.
Those glaciers are regressing continuously and rapidly.
On top of that the monsoon patterns have changed a lot. A lot of places where people get their water from ground water(which obviously is there because of rainwater) rainfall has become very inconsistent and even rare in some cases.
Also the fresh water is becoming contaminated because of river pollution.

Chennai is reportedly almost completely out of water.

chennai-reservoir-comp.jpg
In Chennai they had so many lakes a few years back but now almost all of them have gone dry.
Now they get their water through a supply from a source 240 kms away. The rich still get enough tap water, upto the point that my friend who recently moved to Chennai for work believed that there is no real water shortage in Chennai and the media is making it up lol. The poor on the other hand get to bath once in 10 days. They have to stand in line for hours to get 2 buckets of it.

Sooner or later that reservoir will go dry as well and the rich will find a new one to get their water while the poor people living in the area where that reservoir is situated will have to suffer.

So getting a new reservoir to exploit is pretty much the only solution the government provides.
 
Sometimes when there is no water for 2-3 days, and we are managing on some buckets we managed to fill, then when the water does return we are quite excited and happy. These are the joys you avail of in the 3rd world which you 1st worlders are denied of !

Did you say "clean" ? Well, yes, we do consider muddy water clean.

My father got into a retirement home just in time. He could never have managed to continue the tradition of filling up buckets with water in the couple of hours the corporation water comes. At the home, he still does it, but someone helps him and it is coordinated.
 
I am sure @sureshs will back me up on this.
In the Mahabharata, the king Dhritarashtra had a hundred sons (and one daughter). They were from one mother, Gandhari. She gave birth to a ball of flesh after about 2 years of gestation.
Then she was asked to cut this into 101 pieces and put the pieces in pots/jars with ghee. She waited for two years and then the sons (and daughter) were born.

The jars were obviously ancient test-tubes. This was far greater science than we have today. Suresh can tell you more about the great inventions and technologies of that era. The west has of course tried to debunk it all as mythology and post-date it to the 8th or 10th century.

Indians did invent 0 though.
 
They've come into power with their populist talk and trash talk or whatever it is called. Going for vote banks by talking about religion and getting everyone else out.

I can't believe the majority fell for this thing but that's the common man who puts some kind of religious back-slap above logic/employment.

I am not exactly for the opposite either. They have come across as too weak, relying on the family name etc. Every time they spoke up in the last few months, the man in power today twisted their words and made it look like they had insulted the air force, or Hindus or security people. Everything they say is twisted, and the opposition fall for the game each time and have no way of dealing with it.


LOL! Congress Fan spotted here. the other day Priyanka Gandhi landed up where a massacre had happened. She was asked to apologize for shedding "crocodile tears" and what not. She was arrested. They said she should have taken permission before visiting. Finally the CM came on TV and was asking for her to apologise to those people. It's become so sick that it is hard to watch the news. It's almost like Na-zi Germany.

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LOL, CONGRESS FAN SPOTTED HERE!
 
Congress rules us more than 60 years since Indipendence and looks where we are..Still rat **** poor..BJP is no saint themself but atleast they don't go around looting country left down and right..I hope Namo remains in power till 2029..
 
In the cities the water doesn't go back to the ground because of the concrete which absorbs it.
Then also a lot of fresh water in India comes from glaciers via rivers like Ganga and Yamuna.
Those glaciers are regressing continuously and rapidly.
On top of that the monsoon patterns have changed a lot. A lot of places where people get their water from ground water(which obviously is there because of rainwater) rainfall has become very inconsistent and even rare in some cases.
Also the fresh water is becoming contaminated because of river pollution.


In Chennai they had so many lakes a few years back but now almost all of them have gone dry.
Now they get their water through a supply from a source 240 kms away. The rich still get enough tap water, upto the point that my friend who recently moved to Chennai for work believed that there is no real water shortage in Chennai and the media is making it up lol. The poor on the other hand get to bath once in 10 days. They have to stand in line for hours to get 2 buckets of it.

Sooner or later that reservoir will go dry as well and the rich will find a new one to get their water while the poor people living in the area where that reservoir is situated will have to suffer.

So getting a new reservoir to exploit is pretty much the only solution the government provides.

I read an analysis by an expert in India on these water issues. He attributed the problem to a complete failure of governance and planning, combined with changing climate patterns, to create a hopeless situation.
 
Congress rules us more than 60 years since Indipendence and looks where we are..Still rat **** poor..

That is not completely true. Other countries in similar situations have sunk into dictatorships or religious fundamentalism and terrorism. India still has a modern outlook, booming private sector, increasing affordability of stuff for the middle class, a messy but vibrant democracy, and a good scientific and educational base, and the youngest population in the world (though @Sentinel is quite old). People keep comparing with South Korea and Singapore (LOL at North Korea), but those countries are tiny compared to India, and of course China, which has an authoritarian and dictatorship model with no real democracy. Moreover China is 3 times the size of India, and ethnically close in some ways to a large number of Asian countries and benefits politically from it, while India has no ethnical or religious support anywhere other than Nepal.
 
I am sure @sureshs will back me up on this.
In the Mahabharata, the king Dhritarashtra had a hundred sons (and one daughter). They were from one mother, Gandhari. She gave birth to a ball of flesh after about 2 years of gestation.
Then she was asked to cut this into 101 pieces and put the pieces in pots/jars with ghee. She waited for two years and then the sons (and daughter) were born.

The jars were obviously ancient test-tubes. This was far greater science than we have today. Suresh can tell you more about the great inventions and technologies of that era. The west has of course tried to debunk it all as mythology and post-date it to the 8th or 10th century.

A hundred sons and only one daughter? That would have led to a serious imbalance of the sexes. There would not be enough women to go to the Moon or anywhere else!!o_O


Something seriously wrong must have occurred with those test tubes!! :unsure:
 
I read an analysis by an expert in India on these water issues. He attributed the problem to a complete failure of governance and planning, combined with changing climate patterns, to create a hopeless situation.
The failure of governance and planning is majorly in 4 areas. I addressed them in an unordered way in my previous post.

1) Keeping waste out of the rivers and lakes.

The approximation of the untreated water entering the water sources such as rivers and lakes is 90 percent.
Water sources are contaminated with both biological and chemical pollutants. 21% of the country's diseases are water-related with only 33% of the country having access to traditional sanitation.

2) Lack of dams, canals and storage infrastructure.
There are places where there is plenty of water and there are places where there is not. Do the math. The government isn't doing it though. Big cities get the water though from small places where there is plenty of it but drought hit small districts don't.
Some districts in Maharashtra like Aurangabad, Beed, Hingoli, Jalna, Nanded, Latur, Osmanabad, Parbhani, Dhule, Nandurbar, Ahmednagar and Jalgaon very often face water scarcity issues but nothing much is done to fix the issue permanently.

3) The lack of strict state regulations on the use of ground water.

Anyone who has the required money and means to extract water from the ground is basically allowed to use as much as they want and that is precisely what they do.

4) Excessive use of groundwater for irrigation and inefficient irrigation techniques.
Very few percentage of farmers use drip water irrigation while it's the most efficient technique out there.
Also most places don't have rain water harvesting.

On top of that the climate change is affecting the monsoons in a very bad way.
 
Elephant head transplant. Check.
Congress rules us more than 60 years since Indipendence and looks where we are..Still rat **** poor..

Is there any party running on a platform of providing basic infrastructure (water, electricity, sanitation, roads).
How the hell does a country send women to the moon but still cannot manage to provide water to its people?
Have to stand in 2 hours for a bucket of water. Absolutely disgraceful.
:rolleyes:
 
Elephant head transplant. Check.


Is there any party running on a platform of providing basic infrastructure (water, electricity, sanitation, roads).
How the hell does a country send women to the moon but still cannot manage to provide water to its people?
Have to stand in 2 hours for a bucket of water. Absolutely disgraceful.
:rolleyes:

Every party has the platform. It is a question of how much gets done. There is also the problem that there is a large public sector and a large agricultural sector which depend on subsidies, which are dependent on the performance of the private sector which resents the taxes going for this purpose. Many people pay no income tax or evade it cleverly. This reduces the money available for infrastructure. They figure that if taxes are going to subsidize to those who do not work hard or are gobbled up by corruption, then better to avoid paying them and just use the money to create conveniences for themselves and their businesses.

The other issue is not simple. It is like asking why US sends missions to Mars while there are homeless people. India needs to keep up technologically or it will be gobbled up by neighboring countries with a history of fundamentalism or communism. Moreover, India makes a ton of money by launching other countries' satellites and by software development for the US and other countries, which depends on being scientifically knowledgeable. The woman thing is enforced by government quotas because social change is very slow. On the one hand, it is forced upon the public, on the other it does promote the overall good of women. Very expansive affirmative action (reservation) is approved by the courts due to the large number of underprivileged people.
 
The failure of governance and planning is majorly in 4 areas. I addressed them in an unordered way in my previous post.

1) Keeping waste out of the rivers and lakes.

The approximation of the untreated water entering the water sources such as rivers and lakes is 90 percent.
Water sources are contaminated with both biological and chemical pollutants. 21% of the country's diseases are water-related with only 33% of the country having access to traditional sanitation.

2) Lack of dams, canals and storage infrastructure.
There are places where there is plenty of water and there are places where there is not. Do the math. The government isn't doing it though. Big cities get the water though from small places where there is plenty of it but drought hit small districts don't.
Some districts in Maharashtra like Aurangabad, Beed, Hingoli, Jalna, Nanded, Latur, Osmanabad, Parbhani, Dhule, Nandurbar, Ahmednagar and Jalgaon very often face water scarcity issues but nothing much is done to fix the issue permanently.

3) The lack of strict state regulations on the use of ground water.

Anyone who has the required money and means to extract water from the ground is basically allowed to use as much as they want and that is precisely what they do.

4) Excessive use of groundwater for irrigation and inefficient irrigation techniques.
Very few percentage of farmers use drip water irrigation while it's the most efficient technique out there.
Also most places don't have rain water harvesting.

On top of that the climate change is affecting the monsoons in a very bad way.

In Chennai, illegal construction of shops and multi-storied flat buildings have been a huge factor in depleting the groundwater.
 
In Chennai, illegal construction of shops and multi-storied flat buildings have been a huge factor in depleting the groundwater.
You mean that they used too much water in the process of the construction or the infrastructure is poorly planned and as a consequence the rainfall water doesn't go under the ground as much as it should?
 
You mean that they used too much water in the process of the construction or the infrastructure is poorly planned and as a consequence the rainfall water doesn't go under the ground as much as it should?

It is simply because there is now more density of people. In Chennai, you can hear story after story of how a family had a house and 4 people lived there, and they got plenty of water from a borewell, and then the family sold off the home to a developer at a huge profit, who built 8 flats, and now there are 32 people demanding water, and even a much deeper borewell cannot find it.
 
Elephant head transplant. Check.


How the hell does a country send women to the moon but still cannot manage to provide water to the people?
Have to stand in 2 hours for a bucket of water. Absolutely disgraceful.
:rolleyes:
It is indeed disgraceful.
But it's not that disgraceful if you consider the constraints the country has.
The people on their own are not rich enough to afford the resources, even basic ones, which is why India is a socialist country. We try to carry the poor of our country on our shoulders.
When we got independence the situation was extremely bad. Most people had nothing. There was barely any middle class. The middle class was essentially formed near 1990s.
Most people live in rural areas where there is no direct line of water. They get their water from wells, canals, lakes etc.
Till the mid 90s the connectivity of the people to the media was very poor hence there was no awareness among the people.

The government didn't have enough money to do a lot either. With the rise of the middle class and big corporations after privatization in 1991 the government started getting a good enough amount of money through taxes and then the upliftment of the poor people started in a better way.
Although a lot needs to be done still but now we are slowly making up for the lost time.

Anyway so the people from urban areas are the only ones who really progressed in the first 50 years of independence.
That is why you see advanced technology in India as well as people standing in line for something as fundamental as water.
It is simply because there is now more density of people. In Chennai, you can hear story after story of how a family had a house and 4 people lived there, and they got plenty of water from a borewell, and then the family sold off the home to a developer at a huge profit, who built 8 flats, and now there are 32 people demanding water, and even a much deeper borewell cannot find it.
Ah okay. Totally makes sense.
 
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Illegal multi-story flats?

Simply need to enforce construction and zoning laws. Imagine illegal construction in a U.S. city. Would never happen.
 
Illegal multi-story flats?

Simply need to enforce construction and zoning laws. Imagine illegal construction in a U.S. city. Would never happen.
You won't believe me man when I say that laws are totally in place in the country.
The problem is the implementation of those laws. People simply don't follow the laws. They bribe the officials who are in position to enforce the laws.
It's an awful system where everyone is a partner in crime and so no one gets caught unless they do something outrageously big.
 
It is indeed disgraceful.
But it's not that disgraceful if you consider the constraints the country has.
The people on their own are not rich enough to afford the resources, even basic ones, which is why India is a socialist country. We try to carry the poor of our country on our shoulders.
When we got independence the situation was extremely bad. Most people had nothing. There was barely any middle class. The middle class was essentially formed near 1990s.
Most people live in rural areas where there is no direct line of water. They get their water from wells, canals, lakes etc.
Till the mid 90s the connectivity of the people to the media was very poor hence there was no awareness among the people.
So the people from urban areas were the only ones who progressed. That is why you see advanced technology in India as well as people standing in lines for something as fundamental as water.

Ah okay. Totally makes sense.

There is also a very pervasive feeling that modern development is bad. Every modern development is criticized by a large number of people who believe that the ancient wisdom of India and agricultural communal living is the correct lifestyle, and cell phones, modern medicine, cars, cramped apartments, computers, working late, fast food, air conditioning are all Western evils. To their delight, Western studies show that these things are bad too in many cases, and I see day and night on TV channels people quoting these studies and promoting Yoga and Ayurveda and vegetarianism and attributing all evil to the Western way of life, from moral issues to back pain to kidney disease. This of course resonates with Hindus, but even more so with Muslims, and the combination goes viral. I just don't see this in other Asian countries where people have adopted Western lifestyles with ease, while in India, an older woman going to work will still wear a sari and only the younger ones will wear jeans, till a certain respectable age limit. There is a widespread suspicion of everything modern, and this is corroborated by all Western studies, so Indians have made a career out of quoting experts in US, UK and Europe to support them. A very large percent of the population believes that modern development is an evil to be tolerated for the sake of trade, tourism, and military readiness, but otherwise should be rejected as much as possible. The feeling is that the rest of the world is just waking up to the realities of the impact of meat-eating on the environment, use of antibiotics, unnecessary surgeries, use of Yoga and meditation etc etc while Indians always knew that. So there is never a heartfelt embrace of anything technologically advanced.
 
Illegal multi-story flats?

Simply need to enforce construction and zoning laws. Imagine illegal construction in a U.S. city. Would never happen.

LOL you live in a fantasy world.

Say you are a developer and day after day, thousands of people are coming to the city or the suburbs in search of a job. You see a demand, and you want to construct. Laws don't allow it, but politicians openly hint to you and your competitors that construction of apartments will help the local businesses, bring more money into the city, and increase their voting numbers. You almost start feeling that it is your duty to build, but the laws are against you. However, politicians don't enforce them, and people with money come running to your office to buy an apartment. Somebody even says that the law in 1970 really has no validity today because times have changed. Your competitors have already acquired the land and promise you that they will stand by you as a group if there is any police action. So you jump in, and soon you have broken 100 laws and are now at their mercy to make sure you don't get arrested. That is how it happens.
 
What a corrupt mess. Corruption on a totally different level than what exists here. One day it will catch up with Chennai and it will find itself dying in traffic gridlock and no water. There are reasons for zoning laws.
 
They must harvest Helium 3 from the moon. then finally they can save the country and become richest country in the world

Israel does well with desalination. More such plants are needed. But then where is the electricity for it? Solar? Or polluting coal? Or dangerous nuclear?

It is not easy to solve.
 
They must harvest Helium 3 from the moon. then finally they can save the country and become richest country in the world

There really is no justification to go to the moon until they address their rampant corruption and broken infrastructure, sanitation and clean water... Not exploring space does not put them at a technological disadvantage nor jeopardize their security. Developing military weapons is not contingent on exploring space... Pakistan is not going to the moon and they are militarily secure.
 
There really is no justification to go to the moon until they address their rampant corruption and broken infrastructure, sanitation and clean water... Not exploring space does not put them at a technological disadvantage nor jeopardize their security. Developing military weapons is not contingent on exploring space.
Do you understand why Helium 3 on the moon is so so important and mining is future of energy production ?
 
I am going to open a company to sell Nostradamus' urine in Chennai. It will be called Aqua de Nostro to give it an international feel.
 
There really is no justification to go to the moon until they address their rampant corruption and broken infrastructure, sanitation and clean water... Not exploring space does not put them at a technological disadvantage nor jeopardize their security. Developing military weapons is not contingent on exploring space... Pakistan is not going to the moon and they are militarily secure.

You can easily extend that logic to making Movies, Music, Art education, etc.
 
Apparently Australia rejected a space program as a 'vanity project'.

The thing about India's moon program is that it is quite clearly seen as part of their defence posture, which includes nuclear.

So you could as you say extend this logic to culture, but the real question is whether the defence posture of a country really requires a moon program or is it a 'vanity project' in those strict terms.

You can easily extend that logic to making Movies, Music, Art education, etc.
 
Video says the machine can help developing countries where water is in short supply.
How so? Machine will be placed in homes?

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They use them in remote island locations that are off the grid. Saw a few on the home shows, they take up a whole basement in size, expensive too. But no other choice if you want a mansion and your own island

 
Apparently Australia rejected a space program as a 'vanity project'.

The thing about India's moon program is that it is quite clearly seen as part of their defence posture, which includes nuclear.

So you could as you say extend this logic to culture, but the real question is whether the defence posture of a country really requires a moon program or is it a 'vanity project' in those strict terms.

I think space exploration is worth pursuing for its own end, like research in pure sciences and mathematics even if they appear useless.

Exploration for its own sake makes us special. Fundamental to being human?

Much of what we do on daily basis is pure vanity anyways.
 
My father got into a retirement home just in time. He could never have managed to continue the tradition of filling up buckets with water in the couple of hours the corporation water comes. At the home, he still does it, but someone helps him and it is coordinated.
I am surprised he didn't sell his flat to pay for the retirement home. Or at the very least rent it out. I believe he has just locked it up.
Not sure how secure it is to just lock up and go away.

Indians did invent 0 though.
Oh, somwhere I have read that the Arabs did.

Indians invented the zero after your first pre-historic AYCE raid when they just could not report how many gulab jamuns were left. It is there in the Rig Veda in the Suresh Mahatmyam.
 
The thing about India's moon program is that it is quite clearly seen as part of their defence posture, which includes nuclear.
Yup, we intend taking the Indo-Pak conflict to the moon. We'll be fighting each other over land out there too.
 
Illegal multi-story flats?

Simply need to enforce construction and zoning laws. Imagine illegal construction in a U.S. city. Would never happen.
Property rates are very high due to large population and limited land.

Property developers/ builders lend money to politicians for elections and so they are not touched. The smaller ones are harrassed by the police but the larger ones often talk back to the cops or ask them to meet at some local politician's office.

That is why construction comes to a standstill during election time. The builders have no money at that time. Even the smaller developers bribe the cops enough to get away. That is why no one can complain about the mess they create. Often the cops will intimidate the residents so they don't complain to laws being broken.

All the time I see cops parked outside houses being constructed. They are too busy collecting their weekly bribe to actually respond to other complaints or problems. When the basement below us was being used to illegally construct a residence, the cops were bribed so heavily that they were threatening us to keep shut.

Where I lived previously, the builders were trying to get us out. The cops also told us to leave or our lives were at risk. Finally, we went to top cop, the Police Commissioner who was an honest cop. He transferred the entire police station at that area. He had the CBI file a case against the builders. Their passports were taken from them and they were disallowed foreign travel. (THe builders kept bribing and buying over all the lawyers we took on, and the lawyers would become hostile to us.)
It was a long struggle for us, with the cops calling my mother at night to the police station. Finally in 2009 we moved out, sadly that police commissioner was transferred too. The honest ones are usually sent to some remote place.

Law enforcement depends on how rich and connected you are.

The lady owning the basement who bribed the cops and filed all sorts of complaints against us (at the new place I am in now) told us that she has learned to just pay off people and live in peace. They had enough black money that they could easily bribe people and live "peacefully".
 
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