Indian Wells 2024 Final: Alcaraz (2) vs Medvedev (4)

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TheSlicer said:
Federer at 20 Lost many times against an overweight agassi, he was not 36 but compared to djokovics shape he was basically like 45 at all effects, you cant judge one era with another era measure stick, you can say alcaraz beat a 36 year old guy, or you can say alcaraz beat the guy who was dominating all slams, its not about age, its about level of play
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As if Djokovic's level was anything special in 2023. That was the weakest year in history, dude, and it's not really close.
 
StrongRule said:
As if Djokovic's level was anything special in 2023. That was the weakest year in history, dude, and it's not really close.
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You cant really cuantify that, you can only cuantify success against the field, if tennis academies are doing a bad job Sue them, but dont diminish the spanish shark, his level is Up there with the best ever, dont you fancy a lot of Life long trained pros failing to get drop shot after drop shot? Its like the kid Who plays football in a good local team and bullies all his schoolmates at the school playground lol, just another level
 
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TheSlicer said:
You cant really cuantify that, you can only cuantify success against the field, if tennis academies are doing a bad job Sue them, but dont diminish the spanish shark, his level is Up there with the best ever, dont you fancy a lot of Life long trained long pros failing to get drop shot after drop shot? Its like the kid Who plays football in a good local team and bullies all his schoolmates at the school playground lol, just another level
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Oy
 
TheSlicer said:
Federer at 20 Lost many times against an overweight agassi, he was not 36 but compared to djokovics shape he was basically like 45 at all effects, you cant judge one era with another era measure stick, you can say alcaraz beat a 36 year old guy, or you can say alcaraz beat the guy who was dominating all slams, its not about age, its about level of play
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I'm sorry, what? The first time Federer and Agassi played was at Basel in 1998 and the late-career conditioning that Andre was famous for was already in full swing. I'm not sure Agassi was ever noticeably overweight when he played Federer, quite frankly.
 
FD3S said:
I'm sorry, what? The first time Federer and Agassi played was at Basel in 1998 and the late-career conditioning that Andre was famous for was already in full swing. I'm not sure Agassi was ever noticeably overweight when he played Federer, quite frankly.
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ok maybe overweight is a little too much but just compare his shape then to djokovic, i mean come on, even at that basel match he was in much worse shape than djokovic at 36, age is just a number after all
 
Title #13 for Alcaraz, 5th at Masters 1000 level and 1st since 2023 Wimbledon. It is his 3rd title defence (after Barcelona 2023, Madrid 2023) and 7th big title (which includes all titles above 500 level).

He becomes:

1. The 1st player to defend the title in Indian Wells since Djokovic in 2016.
2. The youngest player ever to defend the title in Indian Wells.
3. The 2nd Spanish player to win multiple titles in Indian Wells (after Nadal).
4. The 2nd youngest player to win 5 titles at Masters 1000 level before the age of 21 (after compatriot Nadal who won 9).
 
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Kralingen said:
We love to see it. Utter humiliation in the second.
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Who is ''we''? Certainly not most tennis fanatics I know...
Personally I have nostalgia of great Indian Wells finals. Djokodal 2011, Fedovic 2014-2015, Federer-Delpotro 2018, Federer-Thiem 2019. All amazing matches with high level and suspense.

Alcaraz/Medevdev's matches are slug fests most of the time. I blame it more on Medvedev, though. He doesn't like IW conditions, it's a miracle he is even there. Problem for him, he doesn't like finals either, just lost his... 6th in a row? I'm sure Paul/Alcaraz would've given us a much better final.

Sinner/Alcaraz was the best match of this tournament, which is not a good look because it wasn't even that great IMO (one look at the statistics of the match tells you everything you need to know)
 
Lauren_Girl' said:
Who is ''we''? Certainly not most tennis fanatics I know...
Personally I have nostalgia of great Indian Wells finals. Djokodal 2011, Fedovic 2014-2015, Federer-Delpotro 2018, Federer-Thiem 2019. All amazing matches with high level and suspense.

Alcaraz/Medevdev's matches are slug fests most of the time. I blame it more on Medvedev, though. He doesn't like IW conditions, it's a miracle he is even there. Problem for him, he doesn't like finals either, just lost his... 6th in a row? I'm sure Paul/Alcaraz would've given us a much better final.
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Anyone with a working conscience and a bit of taste would dislike Medvedev and want to see him pummeled whenever possible. Simply a loss is not enough, seeing his suffering and humiliation is the key.
Lauren_Girl' said:
Sinner/Alcaraz was the best match of this tournament, which is not a good look because it wasn't even that great IMO (one look at the statistics of the match tells you everything you need to know)
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Didn’t get to watch it live but it seems to me one scintillating set and two fun, but patchy, error-strewn and ultimately lopsided ones. I do think that’s the best matchup on Tour right now.
 
Mainad said:
Title #13 for Alcaraz, 5th at Masters 1000 level and 1st since 2023 Wimbledon. It is his 3rd title defence (after Barcelona 2023, Madrid 2023) and 7th big title (which includes all titles above 500 level).

He becomes:

1. The 1st player to defend the title in Indian Wells since Djokovic in 2016.
2. The youngest player ever to defend the title in Indian Wells.
3. The 2nd Spanish player to win multiple titles in Indian Wells (after Nadal).
4. The 2nd youngest player to win 5 titles at Masters 1000 level before the age of 21 (after compatriot Nadal who won 9).
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Great post, @Mainad!
 
TheSlicer said:
ok maybe overweight is a little too much but just compare his shape then to djokovic, i mean come on, even at that basel match he was in much worse shape than djokovic at 36, age is just a number after all
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Um, no. Agassi was super fit in 1998. Look at the pictures. Different body type than Djokovic. Much more muscle. You're barking up the wrong tree saying 1998-2005 Agassi was not fit. In the end, it was his back that let him down, but that was genetics, not fitness.
 
Happy to see Alcaraz trounce Medvedev in the second set and defend his title. Now, if he can just schedule wisely and stay injury free, it'll be an interesting rest of 2024. It'll be nice to see at least two guys emerge this year, though I'd like to see more than that...
 
Hitman said:
Federer, Nadal and Djokovic all won slams as 36 years old. They were the exception to the rule because they were that darn good. The GOATs basically. They are meant to be the ones who do the unthinkable.
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Love all three but in all honesty they all benefitted from a shockingly weak era from 2017 onwards. Once Murray , Del Potro and wawrinka fell away they had absolutely no genuine competition, as its now painfully obvious how average Zverec medvedev and tsitsipas were, and they were the best 3 of their age group!! people do defend Medvedev, and i like him, but he literally can only play on hard courts. Tsitsipas is just hopeless really and Zverev chokes and has a very dodgy FH.
Sinner and Alcaraz are a whole different ball game and i can tell you there is no way the Big 3 would have won slams in their mid 30's had Sinner and Alcaraz been the ages of the Medvedev generation, absolutely no chance.
Who knows what will happen in the future, but what we do know is that Alcaraz is definitely the greatest player of all time at 20 years of age and the most complete. If he doesnt get distracted with his showboating, and off field distractions that will come his way, and can stay injury free, i am certain he will win at least one calendar slam and the golden career slam. I personally expect him to go down as the GOAT in years to come as at his age i have never seen anyone as good.
Life moves on in all aspects, Alcaraz is moving the dial from the Big 3. The win v Sinner was seismic importance wise as well.
 
Winners or Errors said:
Happy to see Alcaraz trounce Medvedev in the second set and defend his title. Now, if he can just schedule wisely and stay injury free, it'll be an interesting rest of 2024. It'll be nice to see at least two guys emerge this year, though I'd like to see more than that...
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This was a huge moment i think. Alcaraz beating Zverev Sinner and Medvedev back to back with little preparation coming into the event i think will give him enormous confidence, and i can well see him now winning the remaining 3 slams and Olympics. He utterly dismantled Sinner.
 
StrongRule said:
That was discussed a million times. He lost the head to head 3-1 last year. So we should celebrate that he barely (REALLY barely) avoided it being 4-0?
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Fwiw, I sorta agree with you about the celebration.
Alcaraz should have atleast made it 2-2 by winning Cincy.
He sorta made up for RG by winning Wim.

But don't agree with mentioning the barely bit part for Wim since djoko was even closer to losing Cincy and Alcaraz was slightly favored at RG if not for cramps.
 
Alcz is a great combination of competitiveness, entertainment, and pure enjoyment of playing. He's covering all the bases and you can tell why he is getting a lot pinned on him by the ATP and sponsors. Current biggest fan fave, or at least in line with Nadal.

Anyway, CRAZY foot speed and play. Med played well, but Alcz just has his number.

On to Miami, but I suspect Sinner will have some new tactics and fodder if they meet.
 
Razer said:
Sinner and Raz would not enjoy playing the early 30s big 3, but if their level truly is below 90s gen then why aren't the 90s gen players the ones to send off Nadal and Djokovic into the sunset ?

Why are Alcaraz and Sinner sending off Novak instead of this useless Medvedev and his gang of muppets ? The answer is obvious, 90's gen are the worst of all time.

Sinner+Raz have 3 slams between them, and their previous gen of 1990s born guys have a paltry 2 .... Game over for 90s boys.
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You have to be kidding yourself to think Sinner was winning AO against anyone from the last like 20 something years aside from 2022 Nadal maybe. Ditto for Carlos at USO.

Carlos's Wimbledon level would have maybe cut it against 2021/2022 Djoko, but that's about it. 1 Slam much like 2021 Medvedev.
 
Winners or Errors said:
Um, no. Agassi was super fit in 1998. Look at the pictures. Different body type than Djokovic. Much more muscle. You're barking up the wrong tree saying 1998-2005 Agassi was not fit. In the end, it was his back that let him down, but that was genetics, not fitness.
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Guy won 3 five setters at 35 and even played a competitive match vs 2005 Fed, but he was not fit LOL
 
weakera said:
Alcaraz in 2
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InsideOut900 said:
You have to be kidding yourself to think Sinner was winning AO against anyone from the last like 20 something years aside from 2022 Nadal maybe. Ditto for Carlos at USO.

Carlos's Wimbledon level would have maybe cut it against 2021/2022 Djoko, but that's about it. 1 Slam much like 2021 Medvedev.
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I don't expect Sinner to win an AO past any younger version of Djokovic but apparently Sinner and Alcaraz have displayed greater levels than 90s gen players did for their age or even otherwise, thats what I way saying.
 
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