Indian Wells - BNP Paribas Open - ATP 1000

Who will add the Champion 1000 points to his ranking?


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I remember Richard said he would take it to court if his daughters were to get fine/suspension.

Shahar Peer was involved with racism in Dubai, but she did not boycotted the the tourney. Why? Because she doesn't think boycotting is going to solve the problem. Serena refuses to attend IW isn't going to change IW either. She's doing it simply b/c she think she's bigger than the sport.:shock:

So let Richard take it to court ... He's not going to win a court case without evidence ... evidence other than reports by those who stand to gain ... who's he gonna sue anyway? does he even know the names of the spectators he SAYS were disruptive?

If they break the rules, they should get the punishment .... NOT to do so would be discriminatory to the other players.
 
So let Richard take it to court ... He's not going to win a court case without evidence ... evidence other than reports by those who stand to gain ... who's he gonna sue anyway? does he even know the names of the spectators he SAYS were disruptive?

If they break the rules, they should get the punishment .... NOT to do so would be discriminatory to the other players.

Hey, isn't this off-topic? This is a thread about the ATP 1000 BNP Paribas Open. Not WS or other issues.

You like to do that to people, right?
 
To be honnest LG, I don't like the WS that much but are they expected to be popular and loved by millions in America if they decide to treat the IW MS like a f**k all event like that.

Had the incident would of occured @ USO for instance, would they do a no show like IW or Rogers Cup(mostly Venus that hates Rogers Cup)?

I mean I know deep down inside Federer dislikes the Paris Indoor Masters but he still shows up even though he doesn't give a damn about that event (although he should).

If I were the owner of IW, I would seriously rip a new one to the Williams Sisters. I mean they draw ratings for the WTA (as much as I hate saying this) and this is a serious kill buzz.

Whatever it's their lives not mine but I'll never respect anyone who treats events poorly over something that happened in the past.

That all makes sense ... but what are the actual rules? Do you know?

Because not enforcing the rules equally across the board is discriminatory.
 
The William Sisters are not showing up again, as usual. This is a prestige tourney, but they continue to ignore. It's been 2001 when Richard William claimed racism against his daughers, but that's 9 years ago, that shouldn't be an issue anymore and they should play. If this tourney is a mandatory for all players who qualify by ranking, then everyone including the WS must play. No onr should get any special treatment.

Hey, isn't this off-topic? This is a thread about the ATP 1000 BNP Paribas Open. Not WS or other issues.

You like to do that to people, right?

No. It's not off topic.
Otherwise, if it were, you would have said so to TMF, when s/he brought it up.

The topic of this thread is Indian Wells. It's not restricted to male players, because Indian Wells is a joint tournament. You, yourself, have posted about women's draws and results on threads with "ATP" in the title. So why would you criticize someone for doing the very thing you, yourself have done. :confused:

If somebody wants to start a separate Indian Wells WTA thread, we can discuss it there. Until someone does, this is THE Indian Wells thread, and all issues related to Indian Wells are ON topic, including whether or not the Williams Sisters are getting special treatment if they're violating the rules by not showing up here.

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No. It's not off topic.
Otherwise, if it were, you would have said so to TMF, when s/he brought it up.

The topic of this thread is Indian Wells. It's not restricted to male players, because Indian Wells is a joint tournament. You, yourself, have posted about women's draws and results on threads with "ATP" in the title. So why would you criticize someone for doing the very thing you, yourself have done. :confused:

If somebody wants to start a separate Indian Wells WTA thread, we can discuss it there. Until someone does, this is THE Indian Wells thread, and all issues related to Indian Wells are ON topic, including whether or not the Williams Sisters are getting special treatment if they're violating the rules by not showing up here.

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You're just a hypocrite, so quick to call out others when they go off topic or post threads you deem to be in the wrong place. It's just funny whenever hypocrites are exposed, that's all. Carry on.
 
You're just a hypocrite, so quick to call out others when they go off topic or post threads you deem to be in the wrong place. It's just funny whenever hypocrites are exposed, that's all. Carry on.

Alright I should add that I provoked the situation but put it this way JBF#1:

You're the owner of IW and you know that the WS draws the biggest ratings when it comes to WTA and yet they spit on your face by saying: "F*ck your tournament, F*ck IW, F*ck the fans, F*ck the prize money, F*ck the ratings, F*ck you and your organization, I'm bigger than the sport itself, If you sue me I'll make your life a living hell" well you must be fuming deep down inside.

Anyways that's my rant and it's not like the WS gives a **** about me or the IW fans so I'll live to accept it.

On another topic: I'm glad to see Federer there and I hope he does well.
 
You're just a hypocrite, so quick to call out others when they go off topic or post threads you deem to be in the wrong place. It's just funny whenever hypocrites are exposed, that's all. Carry on.

Would you please stop trying to bait me into one of your rude, nasty flame fests? Becaue it's not going to work. Besides, it's against the rules.

Those who are NOT trying to hijack the thread with rude name calling can easily read that the OP of this thread includes WTA info in addition to ATP info.

The title of this thread is: Indian Wells - BNP Paribas Open - ATP 1000
The TOPIC of this thread is the JOINT tournament at Indian Wells.

The reason I didn't include "WTA" in the title as well was that I anticipated that someone else might want to start a separate thread about the WTA, as has been done in the past.

Now would you please
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Alright I should add that I provoked the situation but put it this way JBF#1:

You're the owner of IW and you know that the WS draws the biggest ratings when it comes to WTA and yet they spit on your face by saying: "F*ck your tournament, F*ck IW, F*ck the fans, F*ck the prize money, F*ck the ratings, F*ck you and your organization, I'm bigger than the sport itself, If you sue me I'll make your life a living hell" well you must be fuming deep down inside.

Anyways that's my rant and it's not like the WS gives a **** about me or the IW fans so I'll live to accept it.

On another topic: I'm glad to see Federer there and I hope he does well.

Thanks, Bloodshed! :)

Probably most people dont give a damn whether WS participate in a tournament or not ... BUT a lot of people do care whether WS are being given special treatment, allowed to flout rules that others are not allowed to flout ........ so that's still the issue, but I don't know whether there's any rule about playing IW or any other tournament.

As I asked before: What's Richard Williams gonna sue Who about if his daughters are fined for breaking the rules? Didn't he raise them that all s/b treated equally?

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I hope you're right about Rogie, but did you see this???

fed wont play he's still sick
 
Thanks, Bloodshed! :)

Probably most people dont give a damn whether WS participate in a tournament or not ... BUT a lot of people do care whether WS are being given special treatment, allowed to flout rules that others are not allowed to flout ........ so that's still the issue, but I don't know whether there's any rule about playing IW or any other tournament.

As I asked before: What's Richard Williams gonna sue Who about if his daughters are fined for breaking the rules? Didn't he raise them that all s/b treated equally?

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I hope you're right about Rogie, but did you see this???

Richard Williams is probably the biggest lunatic out there and should be locked somewhere in a mental institution. I'd put Industrial Glue on his seat and make sure he'd sit next to Cannibals (alright he did a great job to make sure the WS would win a combine of 20 GS but personnally I disdain this guy with a passion)

I read somewhere in the General that Fed will be there for Indian Wells but I could be wrong.
 
All I'm saying is that whoever you are whether you're Federer,Serena, Nadal, Murray, etc... if you pull out of a MS for no reason whatsoever (personnal issues in the case for the Williams Sisters) like they should be fined every single year (like for 9 years in a row to skip that event is absolutely disgusting).

You have to admit whether you're a Williams Sister fan or not, what are they doing to the IW MS is absolutely rubbish.

If you are such a Williams sisters hater, why are you obsessed with what tournaments they choose to participate in?

Regardless of how much the WTA or USTA or whoever would dare fine Serena or Venus for Skipping Indian Wells - they would probably not attend. Its called integrity, and your permission is not required.

Who you should be mad at; are those in the crowd who made disparaging and despicable remarks the day in question!
 
If you are such a Williams sisters hater, why are you obsessed with what tournaments they choose to participate in?

Regardless of how much the WTA or USTA or whoever would dare fine Serena or Venus for Skipping Indian Wells - they would probably not attend. Its called integrity, and your permission is not required.

Who you should be mad at; are those in the crowd who made disparaging and despicable remarks the day in question!

I'm not obsessed with the tournaments they choose to participate. I mean it doesn't take a rocket scientist or someone that watches tennis that much to figure that the WS doesn't want to participate in IW and Toronto/Montreal (only Venus for that tournament).

And the crowd had all the rights to boo the **** out of the WS sisters in 2001 for Venus giving a free pass to Serena.

I mean if the WS wants to skip IW for their rest of their lives, fine that's their choice but they will forever remain as cowards to my eyes for not confronting their demons (aka the IW crowd).

To me if you're not hurt physically unless someone dies/getting married/expecting a child are the only valid excuses.

Not entering a tournament because you don't feel like it is wrong in every way possible (just like not going to work because you don't feel like it. It's like you either show up or you'll be fired)
 
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I'm not here to bash your fav players DRII or anyone who regards the WS as the greatest thing that happened to tennis since bread&butter but I'm just here to let you know that you have to question some of the WS antics and integrity. It just seems fishy what they're doing at times.

I mean I love Fed with a passion but I really wish he would stop thinking that Basel is the greatest tournament and would focus on Paris Indoor since this is the only remaining MS on hard that he has never won (and don't tell me he's not good enough for that surface because that's BS lol).

Or I wish Nadal would hire someone to manage better his stupid schedule.

I guess every player has their flaws.
 
If you are such a Williams sisters hater, why are you obsessed with what tournaments they choose to participate in?

Regardless of how much the WTA or USTA or whoever would dare fine Serena or Venus for Skipping Indian Wells - they would probably not attend. Its called integrity, and your permission is not required.

Who you should be mad at; are those in the crowd who made disparaging and despicable remarks the day in question!

I dont understand this at all ..... Why would you accuse someone of being a "hater" just because they believe all players should be treated equally?

It's not "integrity" to break the rules just because spectators one year are "disparaging." After the USO, everybody knows just how "disparaging" SWilliams, herself, can be ..... but so what? ..... The French Open crowd was "disparaging" (they actually booed and mocked her mercilessly) to Azarenka last year ..... Does that give her the "integrity" to refuse to play future FOs if such a refusal would be a violation of the rules???

Obviously not! .... If it's a punishable offense to refuse to play certain tournaments, then anyone and everyone (regardless of race, creed or nation of origin) who wilfully violates the rules deserves the same punishment as any other same-rule-violator receives. Equal treatment under the rules is the only nondiscriminatory way.

Bottom line: Can anybody cite the applicable rule? Or is there even such a rule in the first place?
 
I dont understand this at all ..... Why would you accuse someone of being a "hater" just because they believe all players should be treated equally?

It's not "integrity" to break the rules just because spectators one year are "disparaging." After the USO, everybody knows just how "disparaging" SWilliams, herself, can be ..... but so what? ..... The French Open crowd was "disparaging" (they actually booed and mocked her mercilessly) to Azarenka last year ..... Does that give her the "integrity" to refuse to play future FOs if such a refusal would be a violation of the rules???

Obviously not! .... If it's a punishable offense to refuse to play certain tournaments, then anyone and everyone (regardless of race, creed or nation of origin) who wilfully violates the rules deserves the same punishment as any other same-rule-violator receives. Equal treatment under the rules is the only nondiscriminatory way.

Bottom line: Can anybody cite the applicable rule? Or is there even such a rule in the first place?

Forget about DRII. He’s in no position to call anyone a hater. He hates Federer to a point where he’s even try to compare him to Tiger Woods, who completely destroyed his image and the sport after a shocking multiple affairs.

Anyway, the IW director didn’t let it go quietly. He try to patch things up by reaching out the WS and politely invite them back, but they refused! I don’t think Serena care for anyone except her, and she knows that fans are there to see her play. Since money is not an issue to her b/c he’s loaded, more good reason for her to skipped it besides using the same old “racism” excuse. I don’t think they are going to suspend/fine her this time either, but I wish they did just to make them show up. They are not special.
 
If you are such a Williams sisters hater, why are you obsessed with what tournaments they choose to participate in?

Regardless of how much the WTA or USTA or whoever would dare fine Serena or Venus for Skipping Indian Wells - they would probably not attend. Its called integrity, and your permission is not required.

Who you should be mad at; are those in the crowd who made disparaging and despicable remarks the day in question!

Boycotting a prestige tournament in nearly a decade is called integrity?:shock: Yet, Federer made comment you don’t like and you are obsess with him. Go figure.

Being a pro tennis player has a responsibility. If you don't live up to the expectation, then you chose a wrong profession!!!
 
Forget about DRII. He’s in no position to call anyone a hater. He hates Federer to a point where he’s even try to compare him to Tiger Woods, who completely destroyed his image and the sport after a shocking multiple affairs.

Anyway, the IW director didn’t let it go quietly. He try to patch things up by reaching out the WS and politely invite them back, but they refused! I don’t think Serena care for anyone except her, and she knows that fans are there to see her play. Since money is not an issue to her b/c he’s loaded, more good reason for her to skipped it besides using the same old “racism” excuse. I don’t think they are going to suspend/fine her this time either, but I wish they did just to make them show up. They are not special.

Well, it wouldn't make them show up if they were punished appropriately under the rules. That's their choice ........ If they choose to flout the rules, then they choose to pay the penalty ..... in the same and equal fashion that every other player does, regardness of race, creed, or national origin.

Obviously, if they're pretending that totally different spectators every year will behave the same as some did a decade ago, then that's just a phony excuse to take some vaca.

Either every player is held to the SAME standards as is every other player ......... or ........... there is preferential treatment and discrimination going on.

Where would someone go to find out the actual rule? :confused:
 
Well, it wouldn't make them show up if they were punished appropriately under the rules. That's their choice ........ If they choose to flout the rules, then they choose to pay the penalty ..... in the same and equal fashion that every other player does, regardness of race, creed, or national origin.

Obviously, if they're pretending that totally different spectators every year will behave the same as some did a decade ago, then that's just a phony excuse to take some vaca.

Either every player is held to the SAME standards as is every other player ......... or ........... there is preferential treatment and discrimination going on.

Where would someone go to find out the actual rule? :confused:

I posted the link to a story which mentions the rules, punishment, etc.
 
I posted the link to a story which mentions the rules, punishment, etc.

thank you! :)

while usatoday isnt exactly known as being a bastion of accuracy, still it's a starting point ... and the article does mentions "WTA's five mandatory events, including Indian Wells." ..... But unfortunately, it later goes on to say, "all four mandatory events" :roll: Anyway, it seems to give leeway for ANY and ALL players to miss one of the five without penalty as long as they perform the other responsibilities mentioned in the article ........... AS long as they perform the specified requirements, they're okay not to attend any tournament they so choose .... AS IS every other WTA player, and if they don't then they can expect to be penalized ........ Same as most sports, those who can afford the fines break all the rules they feel like ..... but so what? that's life. As long as they're penalized for the rules they flout, I have no complaint.

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As they have for the past eight years, Serena and Venus Williams will skip this week's BNP Paribas Open in Indian Wells, Calif. Despite new rules under which the sisters could be suspended for skipping one of the Sony Ericsson WTA Tour's mandatory events, organizers expect them to avoid such measures.

"I have every reason to believe they will meet their obligations," WTA spokesman Andrew Walker said.

Top-ranked Serena and No. 5 Venus have declined to play at Indian Wells since 2001, when Venus defaulted to Serena in the semifinals. The sisters said the negative crowd reaction that followed was racially tinged.

New rules that kicked in this year as part of the tour's new structure require that players who withdraw from one of the WTA's five mandatory events, including Indian Wells, face fines as well as a two-tournament ban unless they perform "in-market" promotional activities for the missed event. That obligation, which can be fulfilled within a 125-mile radius, can be met during the tournament or on one of three specified dates in the 51 weeks following the event.

Walker said the exact date had not been set but expected it to be settled soon. The activity and location have yet to be determined, he added.

To avoid suspension and other penalties, the sisters could make media appearances, do charity work, meet with potential advertisers and sponsors or help promote one of the WTA's marketing campaigns.

Failing to fulfill the obligation triggers fines of up to $75,000 and exclusion from tournaments. The sisters already have forfeited a piece of the bonus pool, which is money split between top players who play all four mandatory events, and they will get zero points for one of the 16 tournaments that count toward the rankings.

Indian Wells tournament director Steve Simon said Tuesday that he had consulted with the tour on alternative dates but does not expect the Williamses to perform any activities directly promoting his event. Nor does he anticipate they will do so in the Palm Springs/Coachella Valley area.

"Obviously, we'd love to see them here playing vs. doing promotional things for the tour at another date," Simon said.

Asked if he was satisfied with the penalties under the new rule, Simon said, "It's fair. There are some teeth in the rule. There are repercussions for any player, not just the Williams sisters."

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/tennis/2009-03-11-williams-sisters-not-punished_N.htm
 
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Williams sisters need to get over it. Seriously. Forgive and forget.

I bet they'd get a standing ovation if they made the commitment to play.
 
Williams sisters need to get over it. Seriously. Forgive and forget.

I bet they'd get a standing ovation if they made the commitment to play.

i dunno, honestly. they might get booed immensely. its really a tough call, i wouldnt bet either way. personally if i were there i would never be unsportmanlike in the stadium. id prob tell her off on the streets but in the stadium id expect most to hold their comments.
 
Rumored he'll drop out but he still seems listed. I caution you though, because Nadal is listed ahead of Djokovic, and Roddick Soderling

Yes, ... That's generally recognized to be the difference between a Players Entry List dated in the past, 1-26-10, and saying in the present on 3-1-10, "Who IS playing" ;)

Here I thought you were giving us an update. Too bad. So sad! :(
 
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That hurt. It's what ATPWorldTour.com has. Here's a new one (You can tell cuz Gonzo is #10)

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what are you talking about? What hurt???

your post said that delPotro is playing indian wells, so I thought you were giving us some good news ....... because jjermann already told us about the "rumor" in post #6 that Delpo might not play .... so I thought you had some new, updated info for us .... but noooooooooooooo

why are you so obsessed with the rankings? That's the second post you've made about the rankings in 24 hours ...... What's up with that??? Have the rankings changed since the first time you posted them? :???:

and why would you say that I can tell you anything about the rankings? I can't ... I can't tell you anything about the rankings because they just don't matter to me. What made you think that? ... No. What matters to me is what a particular player does on a particular day in a particular tournament, not what his/her ranking is before s/he does it.

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Okay, well I gave you an image showing he was (for now). I don't like him myself, I was only trying to be nice. Yes I care a lot about the rankings. I have mild OCD, and part of it is I like ranking things
 
Okay, well I gave you an image showing he was (for now). I don't like him myself, I was only trying to be nice. Yes I care a lot about the rankings. I have mild OCD, and part of it is I like ranking things

Now I'm really confused ... what is it you were "trying to be nice" about??? :confused:

If ur really obsessed with the rankings, you should start a thread about them .... That way you can share your obsession with other people who are like minded!
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I'm not here to bash your fav players DRII or anyone who regards the WS as the greatest thing that happened to tennis since bread&butter but I'm just here to let you know that you have to question some of the WS antics and integrity. It just seems fishy what they're doing at times.

I mean I love Fed with a passion but I really wish he would stop thinking that Basel is the greatest tournament and would focus on Paris Indoor since this is the only remaining MS on hard that he has never won (and don't tell me he's not good enough for that surface because that's BS lol).

Or I wish Nadal would hire someone to manage better his stupid schedule.

I guess every player has their flaws.

flaws or personal choices?

Federer can play where he wants to, and Serena and Venus will play where they want to - simple as that.
 
I dont understand this at all ..... Why would you accuse someone of being a "hater" just because they believe all players should be treated equally?

It's not "integrity" to break the rules just because spectators one year are "disparaging." After the USO, everybody knows just how "disparaging" SWilliams, herself, can be ..... but so what? ..... The French Open crowd was "disparaging" (they actually booed and mocked her mercilessly) to Azarenka last year ..... Does that give her the "integrity" to refuse to play future FOs if such a refusal would be a violation of the rules???

Obviously not! .... If it's a punishable offense to refuse to play certain tournaments, then anyone and everyone (regardless of race, creed or nation of origin) who wilfully violates the rules deserves the same punishment as any other same-rule-violator receives. Equal treatment under the rules is the only nondiscriminatory way.

Bottom line: Can anybody cite the applicable rule? Or is there even such a rule in the first place?

Yes, it does show integrity to skip an event, particularly one of the biggest on tour, foregoing potentially great gains in money and ranking because one feels their inherent honor or humanity was assualted - as happened at Indian Wells that day!
 
Forget about DRII. He’s in no position to call anyone a hater. He hates Federer to a point where he’s even try to compare him to Tiger Woods, who completely destroyed his image and the sport after a shocking multiple affairs.

Anyway, the IW director didn’t let it go quietly. He try to patch things up by reaching out the WS and politely invite them back, but they refused! I don’t think Serena care for anyone except her, and she knows that fans are there to see her play. Since money is not an issue to her b/c he’s loaded, more good reason for her to skipped it besides using the same old “racism” excuse. I don’t think they are going to suspend/fine her this time either, but I wish they did just to make them show up. They are not special.

Such naivety on so many fronts!
 
IW Trivia

"DOUBLING UP IN INDIAN WELLS & MIAMI
Roger Federer is the only active player to win both the BNP Paribas Open in Indian Wells and the Sony Ericsson Open in Miami in the same year, accomplishing the feat in 2005 and in 2006. Two other active players, Novak Djokovic and Andy Murray, have won the title and reached the final in both tournaments in the same year."

http://www.atpworldtour.com/News/Tennis/2010/03/9/Shark-Bites-Indian-Wells-Miami.aspx


This kinda feels like a Novak year to me, but maybe Roger can do it again! :D
 
Haas is out due to his hip surgery. Fena may be out because he wants to stay in Chile and try to help out in some way.
 
It will be great if nadal can come back to IW playing at the level of his two tournaments this year.

vamos,
 
projected seeding list:
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BUT!!!...

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Haas is gone, so Lopez should be in, but the rest depend on Federer, del Potro, Davydenko, Gonzalez, Monaco, and Ferrero (40 is Almagro, 41 Mathieu, 42 Kubot)
 
Haas is out due to his hip surgery. Fena may be out because he wants to stay in Chile and try to help out in some way.

thanks for the update, Fee ..... do you happen to know what kind of hip surgery Haas had? Is it the labrum, same as Nalby?

Honestly, doesn't it seem that Fena could help more by playing IW? Unless he has some family or friends who personally need his hands-on help, his playing the IW would be a good thing for Chilean morale PLUS he could make more money ... always a good thing for helping out in a crisis, no? :)
 
Indian Wells we should have Gulbis vs Nalbandian final. Treat for an eye. More like a wish , realistically Gulbis might make quarters or even semis, but Nalbandian has slim chances to get there.
 
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