Indian wells Men's SF 2023; Sinner vs Alcaraz

Outcome?

  • Alcaraz in 2

    Votes: 11 19.3%
  • Alcaraz in 3

    Votes: 27 47.4%
  • Sinner in 2

    Votes: 4 7.0%
  • Sinner in 3

    Votes: 15 26.3%

  • Total voters
    57
  • Poll closed .

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This is probably the most anticipated clash of the tournament and hopefully it will live up to it.

The street has Alcaraz as the favorite with win probability of ~60%. Though I think it is 50/50 between them. Sinner's heavy groundstrokes has always troubled Alcaraz and the baseline rallies between them should be evenly contested.

While Alcaraz has looked good in this tournament so far, I think he is still not at his best. He hasn't really been tested much yet and even against Felix he squandered numerous break opportunities before winning it. Sinner to me has been the more impressive player so far in this tournament and I pick him to win this clash and hopefully his 1st masters title later on.

Please share your thoughts.
 
This is probably the most anticipated clash of the tournament and hopefully it will live up to it.

The street has Alcaraz as the favorite with win probability of ~60%. Though I think it is 50/50 between them. Sinner's heavy groundstrokes has always troubled Alcaraz and the baseline rallies between them should be evenly contested.

While Alcaraz has looked good in this tournament so far, I think he is still not at his best. He hasn't really been tested much yet and even against Felix he squandered numerous break opportunities before winning it. Sinner to me has been the more impressive player so far in this tournament and I pick him to win this clash and hopefully his 1st masters title later on.

Please share your thoughts.
I think Sinners time has come. I predict he will snap Medvedev’s winning streak and catapult himself firmly into the top ten and stay there for many years to come (barring injury)
 
Alcaraz was crazy good against FAA. If he brings the same level against Sinner, it won’t be close.
Well so was Sinner against Fritz and if he brings that level then he will be a handful for Alcaraz.

IMO they both played against players with a lower rally tolerance in the QF and thus seemed very dominant in the baseline exchanges. When they play each other it should be about even.

I expect it to be super close and it will probably come down to few crucial points like it did in the USO.
 
Well so was Sinner against Fritz and if he brings that level then he will be a handful for Alcaraz.

IMO they both played against players with a lower rally tolerance in the QF and thus seemed very dominant in the baseline exchanges. When they play each other it should be about even.

I expect it to be super close and it will probably come down to few crucial points like it did in the USO.
Nah, I disagree. I thought FAA was absolutely zoning and still got routined. That’s downright scary. Fritz actually had a shot of winning the match. Sinner’s playing well but Alcaraz is on another level IMO
 
Sinner is the only all-surface player of his generation (capable of beating Djokovic at Wimbledon, despite it being Sinner's worst surface).
Sinner is the player most likely to join the all-surface legends of the game, Nadal, Djokovic, Federer, Agassi.
So I always prefer to see Sinner beat Alcaraz, to bolster Sinner's profile and confidence.
 
Nah, I disagree. I thought FAA was absolutely zoning and still got routined. That’s downright scary. Fritz actually had a shot of winning the match. Sinner’s playing well but Alcaraz is on another level IMO
I agree that Alcaraz was exceptional against Felix and should have actually won with a better scoreline.

Though, I disagree about FAA zoning.. he had a low 1st serve %, made several double faults, also too many unforced errors. Especially his errors on crucial points really cost him.

Yes there were some points where Felix played the best he could but still lost the point because of Alcaraz's brilliance. But overall I think it was an average performance by Felix.
 
Nah, I disagree. I thought FAA was absolutely zoning and still got routined. That’s downright scary. Fritz actually had a shot of winning the match. Sinner’s playing well but Alcaraz is on another level IMO
First of all, you need to recognize Sinner is probably the second/third best returner on tour atm. If he can put so much pressure on the service games of players like Tsitsipas/Fritz who are big servers, he can surely break Alcaraz serve like glass. FAA can’t break serve to save his life
 
First of all, you need to recognize Sinner is probably the second/third best returner on tour atm. If he can put so much pressure on the service games of players like Tsitsipas/Fritz who are big servers, he can surely break Alcaraz serve like glass. FAA can’t break serve to save his life
This is absolute truth. Felix had to be gifted break points from Alcaraz and even then he barely managed to convert one of them.

Sinner otoh is probably among the top 3 returners on the tour currently.
 
I think Sinners time has come. I predict he will snap Medvedev’s winning streak and catapult himself firmly into the top ten and stay there for many years to come (barring injury)

lol always the incurable optimist! Surely when Sinner's true, definitive breakthrough does come, you will have predicted it. Because... you predict it EVERY TOURNAMENT!

While I do envy your mindset, and I am super proud of how the Sinner is playing, I don't see him winning this match. Ratz simply too hot to handle, will take it in straights.
 
lol always the incurable optimist! Surely when Sinner's true, definitive breakthrough does come, you will have predicted it. Because... you predict it EVERY TOURNAMENT!

While I do envy your mindset, and I am super proud of how the Sinner is playing, I don't see him winning this match. Ratz simply too hot to handle, will take it in straights.
Have you seen Sinner’s serve?
 
Sinner needs Uncle Toni as a coach so he ends up with a will like the black knight in Monte Python.

Everyone trying to steal Nadal's coach, but the key is stealing Nadal's doctor. Just like Carlito did - he knows what's up! You can't fly through the court at superhuman speeds for hours and hours on end, day after day after day after day, without some top-notch Spanish medical advice. Well done!

 
While Alcaraz has looked good in this tournament so far, I think he is still not at his best. He hasn't really been tested much yet and even against Felix he squandered numerous break opportunities before winning it.

Carlos did not squander any of those BP's, Felix saved them either with an ace or spectacular winners. Carlos wasn't making UE's on these points, Felix was GOATing on many of them.

As for Alcaraz-Sinner, Sinner's complete inability to end points at the net will be his undoing. Carlos will exploit the passivity and take it in three sets.
 
If he plays like he played against FAA, Alcaraz will eat Sinner for breakfast, even if the Italian is great on return, the Spaniard's offense, and creativity are just on an other level. Returning well will not be a enough.
I am surprised the poll is this close tbh.
 
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Carlos did not squander any of those BP's, Felix saved them either with an ace or spectacular winners. Carlos wasn't making UE's on these points, Felix was GOATing on many of them.

As for Alcaraz-Sinner, Sinner's complete inability to end points at the net will be his undoing. Carlos will exploit the passivity and take it in three sets.
Yes Felix saved quiet a few BPs with his serve/ winners, though I remember Alcaraz squandering a few as well. Anyways that is probably always going to be a part of his ultra agressive playing style.

You are right about Sinners passivity at the net. It did cost him a few crucial points against Fritz and can be fatal against Alcaraz. Though Sinner usually manages to put lot of pressure on Alcaraz's service games. Will be interesting to see how that plays out.
 
Carlos did not squander any of those BP's, Felix saved them either with an ace or spectacular winners. Carlos wasn't making UE's on these points, Felix was GOATing on many of them.

As for Alcaraz-Sinner, Sinner's complete inability to end points at the net will be his undoing. Carlos will exploit the passivity and take it in three sets.
What is it about Sinner that makes you post total lies about him? At the start of IW you claimed he wasn’t injured during the Rune match at Sofia on 1 October. You linked a video that showed his injury. You then tried to lie about his recovery period (“played next week in Vienna”) that, in reality, extended to Vienna on 26 October.

Now, Sinner cannot end points at the net when his volleys and overheads are a regular part of his game. If you don’t believe it, hear are 2022 highlights, many of the winners struck from inside the service line:


Hate the player; it’s your right. Just don’t lie about him. He hit winners from the forecourt in his two wins and his narrow loss vs Alcaraz last summer.
 
I'm rooting for Sinner, and hoping for a cliffhanger like last time:
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Interesting article about these two from the Indian Wells official website:

The New Era Rivalry: Carlos Alcaraz and Jannik Sinner Meet In The Semifinals


Carlos Alcaraz, tennis’ newest boy wonder, sat down at the podium in the press room after his latest electrifying victory at the BNP Paribas Open with a look of excitement in his eyes. The top-seeded Spaniard was all of us in that moment, swooning over Saturday’s impending tussle with his 21-year-old rival, Jannik Sinner.

“I love playing really tough matches, close matches, matches with high quality,” he explained when asked to look ahead to the fifth edition of tennis’ most engaging new rivalry. “I love playing that kind of match. Jannik is a great player. Great ball striker, as well. So I love every match that I play against him.”

Tennis fans love it, too.

Though still in its formative state, the first four editions of Alcaraz v Sinner have been mind-blowing experiences (head-to-head: tied, 2-2). For some, it has come as a relief. Tennis fans have long agonized over the end of the Big Three era, fearing a lack of magnetic matchups that pique the imagination and leave fans perpetually on the edge of their seats.

Since late 2021, Alcaraz and Sinner have eased the collective worry, producing absurd, inconceivable tennis that passes the most critical of eye tests. If Djokovic and Nadal were tennis 2.0, buckle in and get ready for tennis 3.0.

Matching up two meteoric talents equipped with booming power, whipsmart counterpunching and maturity beyond their years makes for a delectable tennis treat.

But what really pushes Alcaraz v Sinner over the edge is the potential for spontaneous combustion. Painful as it sounds, it is something that these two gluttons for punishment seem to yearn for.

Alcaraz, for one, welcomes the prospect of being pushed to his limit by his rival. Last summer at the US Open, the Spaniard embraced that feeling first-hand as he dueled with Sinner, saving a match point to win a five hour and 15-minute instant classic that didn’t conclude until 2:50 AM.

“That’s why Jannik is such a great player,” Alcaraz explains. “Not only with a great serve, great movement, it is because he pushes the opponent to the limit… that’s why I love playing against him, that it pushes me to the limit. I have to be really, really focused. I love to feel that.”

The growing respect between the two is a key part of the narrative, but it doesn’t make the losses sting any less.

“I had some tough losses, for sure,” the Italy’s Sinner said after his devastating loss to Alcaraz in New York. “This is in the top list.”

What is so intriguing about watching Alcaraz and Sinner, both individually and collectively, is that each new edition of the rivalry gives us another opportunity to take stock of the rapid rate of development that each player is undergoing.

“For sure we have a lot of work to do, still,” Sinner said of his current physical status on quarterfinal Thursday, after grinding past defending champion Taylor Fritz in three sets. “I give my body a lot of time to develop. But for sure now I am in a much, much better position than I was in one year ago.”

For Alcaraz, the situation isn’t much different. Plagued by an abdominal injury in November and a hamstring tweak in December that reappeared last month, he had to miss the Australian Open and last month’s ATP event in Acapulco.

Like Sinner he’s very much learning how to produce peak tennis while still keeping his developing body in one piece.

That’s another reason to be ultra excited about Saturday’s tête-à-tête in the California desert.

Fans are getting a chance to get in on the ground floor of what could be the most iconic men’s tennis rivalry of the next decade.

Alcaraz, the top seed, wants nothing more than to send the fans away inspired.

“I try to make the people enjoy watching tennis, and I think the way that I play, they love it, or it seems like that,” he said.

https://bnpparibasopen.com/news/the...--NbIM4ZmKTkiF4VXD8wtyu7B4-S5XTHmVtxAm8WY1C9I
 
Nah, I disagree. I thought FAA was absolutely zoning and still got routined. That’s downright scary. Fritz actually had a shot of winning the match. Sinner’s playing well but Alcaraz is on another level IMO
You are just right in your perspective
 
Alcaraz comes in a bit better form, but alcaraz against sinner is a bit like a derbi, doesnt matter how in form they come, this is a unique match, anything can happen
 
I have no idea what will happen here so I am going to say with no particular confidence that Alc got the mental weight off his back at the US Open with the epic win over Sinner and so will definitely win this
 
I have no idea what will happen here so I am going to say with no particular confidence that Alc got the mental weight off his back at the US Open with the epic win over Sinner and so will definitely win this
I hope you’re right.
 
Commies calling Carlos a better player than when he won the USO when he's been injured and barely played since lol.
 
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