Indian Wells pre qually

http://www.**********.net/majic/pageServer/0l01000009/en/pid/8965/index.html


Has made the quarters in several futures and Challangers. He must be the real deal.

Sep 27 Fut. 1/16 USA F25 Futures, Irvine, Ca
Sep 27 Fut. [Q] USA F25 Futures, Irvine, Ca
Sep 13 Fut. [Q] USA F23 Futures, Claremont, CA
Jun 21 Fut. [Q] Serbia F2 Futures, Belgrade
Jun 14 Fut. 1/16 Serbia F1 Futures, Belgrade
Jun 14 Fut. [Q] Serbia F1 Futures, Belgrade
Apr 26 Chall. [Q] Manta Challenger, Manta
Jan 11 Chall. [Q] Salinas Challenger, Salinas
 

GRANITECHIEF

Hall of Fame
JM, the dude has no points and has only made 2 main draws for futures, one as a LL. That said, he does have a 9 wins is qually draws, including one against Gerst who has a blog on this forum and is a former D1 trying to go pro. So a win wouldn't totally shock me but i would bet the other way.
 

Hewex

Semi-Pro
JM, the dude has no points and has only made 2 main draws for futures, one as a LL. That said, he does have a 9 wins is qually draws, including one against Gerst who has a blog on this forum and is a former D1 trying to go pro. So a win wouldn't totally shock me but i would bet the other way.
I agree. A loss for D is likely, just considering nerves and the experience factor. I would say 3 and 3 would be a good showing.
 
JM, the dude has no points and has only made 2 main draws for futures, one as a LL. That said, he does have a 9 wins is qually draws, including one against Gerst who has a blog on this forum and is a former D1 trying to go pro. So a win wouldn't totally shock me but i would bet the other way.
You are right. I did not understand what I was reading. :)

He has won a few rounds in qualifying. I still bet he is better than the usual low ranked 18s that play in SoCal designateds.
 

Rob_C

Hall of Fame
JM, the dude has no points and has only made 2 main draws for futures, one as a LL. That said, he does have a 9 wins is qually draws, including one against Gerst who has a blog on this forum and is a former D1 trying to go pro. So a win wouldn't totally shock me but i would bet the other way.
Actually, he has been ranked as high as the 800s in the past. If you guys adjust the time period for his activity back to '08, he made 1 F, and 1 S in Futures in Ecuador.
 

forthegame

Hall of Fame
Spell it out please. All this cryptic stuff is doin' my 'ead in. Wasted my time clicking the link in the OP. Who on earth wants to count the lines on the webpage?

Name or else.......:evil::twisted::shock:
 

LeeD

Bionic Poster
GChief. Did you try at the preQ?
I know I insulted you from the Tahoe vids, but I also said you guys were hard hitting 4.5's from the Kaui vids. You know, I can't rate anyone HIGHER than they deserve.
You know I rated that Greek GOD, like the same as your Kaui vid, so think about that. Some people think that Greek guy is a 7.0, putting you up there too.
 

tennisnoob3

Professional
Spell it out please. All this cryptic stuff is doin' my 'ead in. Wasted my time clicking the link in the OP. Who on earth wants to count the lines on the webpage?

Name or else.......:evil::twisted::shock:
lol i thought the same thing. line in the mens draw pdf file
 

ClarkC

Hall of Fame
Spell it out please. All this cryptic stuff is doin' my 'ead in. Wasted my time clicking the link in the OP. Who on earth wants to count the lines on the webpage?

Name or else.......:evil::twisted::shock:
You don't have to count the lines. The players all have numbers next to their names.

Click on the link in the OP. Then click the Men's Draw link on the right. Find the kid who gets more talk than any other on this board, with the number 102 next to his name.
 

FlashJones

New User
Can anyone say "SideShow"? The 50 some page talked to brad thread ended so now we have this!!

I will be very happy when D moves on and tennis is out of the question for him because of one thing. You guessed it~~the pops! If this kids dad was not in the picture he could have had the potential to advance in tennis. Instead his father is nOthing more than a press agent trying to bring as much attention to his situation as possible. I sure have noticed a huge similarity in the antics if the Baloon Boys dad the tennis players dad and the crazy cooky Charlie Sheen. What is really in the water down there in LA? I would bet my cat that many more doors would have opened for the Baughman boy if nit for the dad. He ruined a possible good thing with a big mouth! I hope this boy gets out and never looks back at the life his father forced on him. Why does tennis seem to have the highest number of parents trying to retire from the kids game? You all know it's true!!!!
 

tenniscp

Semi-Pro
Can anyone say "SideShow"? The 50 some page talked to brad thread ended so now we have this!!

I will be very happy when D moves on and tennis is out of the question for him because of one thing. You guessed it~~the pops! If this kids dad was not in the picture he could have had the potential to advance in tennis. Instead his father is nOthing more than a press agent trying to bring as much attention to his situation as possible. I sure have noticed a huge similarity in the antics if the Baloon Boys dad the tennis players dad and the crazy cooky Charlie Sheen. What is really in the water down there in LA? I would bet my cat that many more doors would have opened for the Baughman boy if nit for the dad. He ruined a possible good thing with a big mouth! I hope this boy gets out and never looks back at the life his father forced on him. Why does tennis seem to have the highest number of parents trying to retire from the kids game? You all know it's true!!!!
What happened to that thread, by the way? It was pretty entertaining, as usual. It had drama, comedy, tragedy, a little bit of sci-fi, some horror. In other words, it was a popcorn thread! Bring it back!
 

10schick

Rookie
Can anyone say "SideShow"? The 50 some page talked to brad thread ended so now we have this!!

I will be very happy when D moves on and tennis is out of the question for him because of one thing. You guessed it~~the pops! If this kids dad was not in the picture he could have had the potential to advance in tennis. Instead his father is nOthing more than a press agent trying to bring as much attention to his situation as possible. I sure have noticed a huge similarity in the antics if the Baloon Boys dad the tennis players dad and the crazy cooky Charlie Sheen. What is really in the water down there in LA? I would bet my cat that many more doors would have opened for the Baughman boy if nit for the dad. He ruined a possible good thing with a big mouth! I hope this boy gets out and never looks back at the life his father forced on him. Why does tennis seem to have the highest number of parents trying to retire from the kids game? You all know it's true!!!!
DITTO. That says it all in one statement.
 
Can anyone say "SideShow"? The 50 some page talked to brad thread ended so now we have this!!

I will be very happy when D moves on and tennis is out of the question for him because of one thing. You guessed it~~the pops! If this kids dad was not in the picture he could have had the potential to advance in tennis. Instead his father is nOthing more than a press agent trying to bring as much attention to his situation as possible. I sure have noticed a huge similarity in the antics if the Baloon Boys dad the tennis players dad and the crazy cooky Charlie Sheen. What is really in the water down there in LA? I would bet my cat that many more doors would have opened for the Baughman boy if nit for the dad. He ruined a possible good thing with a big mouth! I hope this boy gets out and never looks back at the life his father forced on him. Why does tennis seem to have the highest number of parents trying to retire from the kids game? You all know it's true!!!!
I tease B a lot, but I think he accomplished just the opposite. I think he did a great job with an average athletic boy. Taught him solid strokes, got him fit and playing hard, and if he continues to improve, might get him a decent college scholarship.

The dad's aggressive personality got the boy some time with Nick B. and some time with the top USTA coaches. There are hundreds of more talented and/or higher ranked boys aged 12-18 who never got those chances.

As SoCal said, the stuff about going to the pros is most likely just him trying to give the kid confidence. He should be commended for putting a boy without much natural athletic ability into position to possibly go to college for free.
 
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andfor

Legend
I tease B a lot, but I think he accomplished just the opposite. I think he did a great job with an average athletic boy. Taught him solid strokes, got him fit and playing hard, and if he continues to improve, might get him a decent college scholarship.

The dad's aggressive personality got the boy some time with Nick B. and some time with the top USTA coaches. There are hundreds of more talented and/or higher ranked boys aged 12-18 who never got those chances.

As SoCal said, the stuff about going to the pros is most likely just him trying to give the kid confidence. He should be commended for putting a boy without much natural athletic ability into position to possibly go to college for free.
Bait..........:)
 

Fee

Legend
Can anyone say "SideShow"? The 50 some page talked to brad thread ended so now we have this!!

I will be very happy when D moves on and tennis is out of the question for him because of one thing. You guessed it~~the pops! If this kids dad was not in the picture he could have had the potential to advance in tennis. Instead his father is nOthing more than a press agent trying to bring as much attention to his situation as possible. I sure have noticed a huge similarity in the antics if the Baloon Boys dad the tennis players dad and the crazy cooky Charlie Sheen. What is really in the water down there in LA? I would bet my cat that many more doors would have opened for the Baughman boy if nit for the dad. He ruined a possible good thing with a big mouth! I hope this boy gets out and never looks back at the life his father forced on him. Why does tennis seem to have the highest number of parents trying to retire from the kids game? You all know it's true!!!!
What an enlightened first post from a brand new member of the forum.
 

FlashJones

New User
First post 1996th post or last....yet a true honest opinion. Take it as that too. I won't toss tit for tat. It is what it is..non negotiable!!
 
4-3 rivera
That can't be fun for Rivera to see some kid you have to play. The pressure is all on the older player who is expected to win and the kids can just go for every shot. I see so many 18s get tight when they have to play some 13 or 14 year old who is playing up.
 
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BSPE84

Semi-Pro
I recognize three names who are still in 16's. One actually made it through to RD16.

Anybody know how guys qualify for this draw? Judging from number of byes, I'm guessing it's just a matter of paying the entry fee.
 

TonLars

Professional
I know lots of guys there. Would be really fun to play there but too far away. AJ Bartlett is playing Borvanov I see. Roman is really solid and is always doing really well at the biggest open events around the nation. Aj has a huge serve and I played him at the regional us open national playoffs last summer and won in straight sets. Kevin Kylar is a pretty good Winnipeg junior Ive played a few times.
 
I know lots of guys there. Would be really fun to play there but too far away. AJ Bartlett is playing Borvanov I see. Roman is really solid and is always doing really well at the biggest open events around the nation. Aj has a huge serve and I played him at the regional us open national playoffs last summer and won in straight sets. Kevin Kylar is a pretty good Winnipeg junior Ive played a few times.
I saw Roman Borvanov play in Sarasota a few years ago. Very nice player. That challenger was also the first time I saw Bernard Tomic play in person.
 
Went down in the first round 4 & 3. The stronger So Cal junior players still in it. Way to go!
The 'plan' sure is silly. He could be playing solid 16s and get a few great matches every weekend, or this nonsense.....play some journeyman player who probably is bored silly and a little embarrassed to be playing some kid and playing half speed, and be out in 45 minutes.

Funny thing is, not sure what the entry fee was, but the dad could have tossed that guy 50 bucks and he would have probably hit with the kid for a few hours.
 
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Hewex

Semi-Pro
Nice performance for D against someone 10 years older. Rivera also went on to win his second match. A good learning experience for him and he should be proud of himself.
 

forthegame

Hall of Fame
You don't have to count the lines. The players all have numbers next to their names.

Click on the link in the OP. Then click the Men's Draw link on the right. Find the kid who gets more talk than any other on this board, with the number 102 next to his name.
Thanks.

No. 102? Never heard of him.
 

NewGuy

Rookie
Can anyone say "SideShow"? The 50 some page talked to brad thread ended so now we have this!!

I will be very happy when D moves on and tennis is out of the question for him because of one thing. You guessed it~~the pops! If this kids dad was not in the picture he could have had the potential to advance in tennis. Instead his father is nOthing more than a press agent trying to bring as much attention to his situation as possible. I sure have noticed a huge similarity in the antics if the Baloon Boys dad the tennis players dad and the crazy cooky Charlie Sheen. What is really in the water down there in LA? I would bet my cat that many more doors would have opened for the Baughman boy if nit for the dad. He ruined a possible good thing with a big mouth! I hope this boy gets out and never looks back at the life his father forced on him. Why does tennis seem to have the highest number of parents trying to retire from the kids game? You all know it's true!!!!
He said balloon boy.... :lol:
 
Nice performance for D against someone 10 years older. Rivera also went on to win his second match. A good learning experience for him and he should be proud of himself.
Yes, he learned that at the age where Nadal, Djokovic, and the other top 100 pros were winning futures, challengers, junior slams, top ITFs and would have eaten a guy like Rivera for lunch, that he can not even take a set off him.

And he learned that his time would be better spent playing the 16s where he would at least go a few matches deep and make the entry fee worth it, along with building a resume for college coaches.

Lastly, he learned how valuable this opportunity is to try to get college paid for and that he should focus very closely on his academics.
 
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Hewex

Semi-Pro
Yes, he learned that at the age where Nadal, Djokovic, and the other top 100 pros were winning futures, challengers, junior slams, top ITFs and would have eaten a guy like Rivera for lunch, that he can not even take a set off him.

And he learned that his time would be better spent playing the 16s where he would at least go a few matches deep and make the entry fee worth it, along with building a resume for college coaches.

Lastly, he learned how valuable this opportunity is to try to get college paid for and that he should focus very closely on his academics.
Wow, you seem to have a lot emotionally invested in this kid failing. I feel sorry for you.
 

racket-e

New User
TCF I usually agree with you but 6-4 6-3 is not a bad score. Sure in the pros thats a one sided match but generally in juniors 6-4 6-3 is a very close match since serves are not such a huge deal. Just the same in pros its rare to see a score like 6-2 or a set with more than 2 breaks when the players are pretty close to each other but in juniors 6-0s between close players are not uncommon. They just dont have the same focus to play conistently and win almost every game on serve.
 

10schick

Rookie
Wow, you seem to have a lot emotionally invested in this kid failing. I feel sorry for you.
It's not about the kid failing. NOT AT ALL. Everyone wishes the best for the kid including TCF. The dad is a freak /circus show. Period. 'nfu said. Someone needs to shut the dad the *&^% up! dude! Seriously. I would place a bet on the fact that the kid agrees!
 

Lakers4Life

Hall of Fame
BTW how much was the entry fee for this pre-qually?

I recently found out another Boys Junior was playing in this pre-qualifing tourney. His opponent retired from injury the first round and then he cam up against the no. 1 entry and lost 6-1 and 6-4.
 

flat

Rookie
Here is the recent pre-qual from the smaller San Jose SAP Open in Feb. Some NorCal juniors played in this. Rudolf Siwi (or is that Siwy?) also did well in this one:

http://www.sapopentennis.com/results/PreQualifying.asp

Just to put this in perspective...the 4 pre-qual winners lost in either the 1st or 2nd round of the qualify tournament (which had 3 rounds). The 4 qualifiers all lost in the first round of the main draw (though some matches were close).

Life is tough at the pro level....
 

Lakers4Life

Hall of Fame
I know there is a minimum age to enter, or else the No. 1 ranked G18 probably would have played, but she is only 13.
 

Soianka

Hall of Fame
It's not about the kid failing. NOT AT ALL. Everyone wishes the best for the kid including TCF. The dad is a freak /circus show. Period. 'nfu said. Someone needs to shut the dad the *&^% up! dude! Seriously. I would place a bet on the fact that the kid agrees!

You all don't wish the best for "the kid."

Why don't you stop lying about that.

Several of you seem to gloat anytime the boy loses a match.

You love talking about how he doesnt have enough talent. He'll be lucky to get a college scholarship.

Blah blah blah.

His father obviously has some issues...pretending to be a massage therapist on the internet so he can brag about his son. (How embarrassing for the poor kid!)

But you all really could use some self reflection also. You don't know what the kid will do or will not do or how much talent he has or does not have.

You have to wonder about a bunch of adults constantly tearing down some teenage boy for their own amusement.
 

andfor

Legend
You all don't wish the best for "the kid."

Why don't you stop lying about that.

Several of you seem to gloat anytime the boy loses a match.

You love talking about how he doesnt have enough talent. He'll be lucky to get a college scholarship.

Blah blah blah.

His father obviously has some issues...pretending to be a massage therapist on the internet so he can brag about his son. (How embarrassing for the poor kid!)

But you all really could use some self reflection also. You don't know what the kid will do or will not do or how much talent he has or does not have.

You have to wonder about a bunch of adults constantly tearing down some teenage boy for their own amusement.
Without going through each of your statements in general I disagree. You're spot on about the "massage therapist". The entire subject is quite painful to see. However it does not stop the rubberneckers, of which I'm one of them. I feel for the kid and hope the therapist gets some relevant therapy of his own. Narcissists can get help.
 

10schick

Rookie
You all don't wish the best for "the kid."

Why don't you stop lying about that.

Several of you seem to gloat anytime the boy loses a match.

You love talking about how he doesnt have enough talent. He'll be lucky to get a college scholarship.

Blah blah blah.

His father obviously has some issues...pretending to be a massage therapist on the internet so he can brag about his son. (How embarrassing for the poor kid!)

But you all really could use some self reflection also. You don't know what the kid will do or will not do or how much talent he has or does not have.

You have to wonder about a bunch of adults constantly tearing down some teenage boy for their own amusement.
Talk about blah, blah, blah..... whatever.
 

10isRocs

Rookie
I am a bit surprised that the draw was quite weak, being so close to LA you think it would have drawn a lot more competition. DK should take it!
 

Rob_C

Hall of Fame
Can someone post a direct link to the draws?? Im on an iPod right now and keep getting directed to the mobile site which is full of broken links.

Thanks
 
I don't think being honest with the dad about the boy's level is hating on the kid. The dad talks with brutal frankness and always has. The fact is that every top current 100 pro was a prodigy, trashing even talented older boys, winning top ITFs, futures, challengers, Orange Bowls, etc. Tomic, Monfils, Nadal, Djorkovic and every example the dad makes comparison too, all were blowing top 18s off the court by age 14-15.

So I will not play PC and spout this "nobody knows" nonsense. We know, we see the slow feet, we see the results. It is what it is. Not buying into the dad's delusion is not hating on the kid.

I would not ask IMG or anyone else to spend a dime on him because I think he could be a money making pro.

BUT, I would vigorously recommend him to ANY college program in the land. I see his hard work, heard he plays smart tennis, decent forehand....I would write a personal letter or call any of the college coaches I know. Some of the better programs he would not play 1-2 position, but I would gladly recommend that they offer him a scholarship based on strong character, hard work, etc.

If thats hate to go out on a limb to try and get the kid a full ride to college, then my definition of hate is different than others.
 
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BMC9670

Hall of Fame
It's pretty simple, really. If you promote and brag about your kid on the internet, you're going to have to deal with criticism, especially if you do it in an outlandish way. It's clear to me that most of the negative comments are aimed at the dad.

Personally, I think it's all his ego. If my kid were a exceptional standout player, I'd be trying to teach him how to stay humble, grounded and deal with the attention that would come his way out of winning/results, and not be on the internet trying to conjure up (negative) attention to heap on top.
 

onehandbh

Legend
I don't think being honest with the dad about the boy's level is hating on the kid. The dad talks with brutal frankness and always has. The fact is that every top current 100 pro was a prodigy, trashing even talented older boys, winning top ITFs, futures, challengers, Orange Bowls, etc. Tomic, Monfils, Nadal, Djorkovic and every example the dad makes comparison too, all were blowing top 18s off the court by age 14-15.

So I will not play PC and spout this "nobody knows" nonsense. We know, we see the slow feet, we see the results. It is what it is. Not buying into the dad's delusion is not hating on the kid.

I would not ask IMG or anyone else to spend a dime on him because I think he could be a money making pro.

BUT, I would vigorously recommend him to ANY college program in the land. I see his hard work, heard he plays smart tennis, decent forehand....I would write a personal letter or call any of the college coaches I know. Some of the better programs he would not play 1-2 position, but I would gladly recommend that they offer him a scholarship based on strong character, hard work, etc.

If thats hate to go out on a limb to try and get the kid a full ride to college, then my definition of hate is different than others.
Curious why they have to choose one or the other. Can't he just aim for
the pros and then go to college if he doesn't make it? (as long as he
doesn't collect any prize money)
 

tennisnoob3

Professional
Curious why they have to choose one or the other. Can't he just aim for
the pros and then go to college if he doesn't make it? (as long as he
doesn't collect any prize money)
wont play tennis in college, new rule has an age restriction i think. who knows how smart the kid is.
 
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