Sudacafan
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I don’t think they let you carry chocolate. Would you volunteer anyway?
India's Vikram moon lander appears to have crashed on the moon
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Vcore89
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Bad and Dangerous.
Sentinel
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Nope. I was gonna say I want enough dark chocolate to last the entire whey.
Maybe we can send suresh.
That guy's son (who runs the tea stall now) spotted the lander coming down and ran away with it. He is trying to sell the parts on e bay.
One of the stated missions of public sector/government enterprises like ISRO is to create employment. It is not a hidden goal, like the increased military spending every 4 years in the US to boost the economy before an election. It is an explicit goal which goes back to Nehru's time. India is a socialist country, as written into its constitution. So such projects are quite normal. Another one is metro rail in cities - whether needed or not, every big city is getting one. In Srinagar, the metro project will employ 13,000 people - a gift in return for the removal of special status in Kashmir.
Bartelby
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I'm sure Japan doesn't have socialism written into its constiution, but it would far surpass India in public sector/government enterprise projects.
On the other hand, a country like Australia which doesn't have socialism written into its constitution buys trains from India and a large portion of its government software is also outsourced to Indian companies - which draw their worker pool from the same group that the space program does, one helping the other. So a big space program which provides employment also produces people who produce the software and transportation that Australians use - it all has an indirect influence.
From the number of ads and "counseling" sessions I see advertised in India, quite a few Australian universities with Oxbridge sounding names and gothic architectures seem to be running their graduate programs only with Indian students (and a bunch from Singapore too). Many of them might be children of government employees.
After the British drove India to poverty by exploiting its resources and crushed its spirit, socialism was the only way to recover from the mess.
It can of course become very wasteful and that has already happened to many "sick" public sector units.
Major Japanese companies have setup software centers in India as the Japanese population grows older and dwindles. Countless stories exist about Indians from these centers visiting Japan and encountering food obstacles. In fact, one of my friends was with a team which was in Japan at the time of the earthquakes and tsunami. So yeah the same policies also produce people to work for Japaneses companies.
Azure
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Why should space exploration be a vanity project? Why can't it be science? Why can't it be an unlocking of secrets of the universe or is it just that only one or two countries have the sovereign right to continue to send rockets spending billions of dollars? Space exploration should be seen as an effort of mankind. As I understand there has been tremendous support from every country including the likes of advanced countries like Israel which faced the same failure on a similar mission only 5 months ago. There is no failure in science. There is learning and we can mutually learn. Wasn't it Edison who said that he learnt many times how not to make a bulb?
As for the silly notion that space exploration is a waste of money or that one should not think about space exploration when there are other social problems is wrong. Both should be done in parallel.
As for the silly notion that space exploration is a waste of money or that one should not think about space exploration when there are other social problems is wrong. Both should be done in parallel.
Like the Apollo moon mission, the main benefits of space exploration at this time are not unlocking the secrets of Uranus, but the development of new technology inside the country. NASA missions have created hundreds of start-up companies and a lot of technology for the military, which if not created would make a country perpetually dependent on other countries. As far as privatization goes, the proven model is that of some socialistic government spending seeding the efforts, and then a synergy between government agencies and private companies. Most recently, it happened with the Internet.
One thing that did bother me though was that none of the many news channels from India that I followed in real-time dared to voice any dissenting view. Even the opposition party was tweeting congratulations.
In the US, at least till a few years ago before people became shameless, such a situation would have resulted in the Director submitting his resignation (at least as a token gesture), the opposition party asking for accountability of the money spent, and NASA creating an internal investigation to locate and punish the person at the head of the Lander system, and if supplied by private contractors, an investigation into them.
I did not find a single voice of dissent except for a news anchor who said that the people saying negative things were all either from THAT country which you know, or its treasonous supporters inside India (and you know which religion he is referring to). So apparently criticizing the failure of the Lander is the same as siding with Pakistan. I also noticed unanimous praise for everyone. from Modi to the scientists, and there seem to have not been any steps taken to hold the organization responsible for taking all that taxpayer money and failing, but the government was actually promising more in an unconditional manner.
In the US, at least till a few years ago before people became shameless, such a situation would have resulted in the Director submitting his resignation (at least as a token gesture), the opposition party asking for accountability of the money spent, and NASA creating an internal investigation to locate and punish the person at the head of the Lander system, and if supplied by private contractors, an investigation into them.
I did not find a single voice of dissent except for a news anchor who said that the people saying negative things were all either from THAT country which you know, or its treasonous supporters inside India (and you know which religion he is referring to). So apparently criticizing the failure of the Lander is the same as siding with Pakistan. I also noticed unanimous praise for everyone. from Modi to the scientists, and there seem to have not been any steps taken to hold the organization responsible for taking all that taxpayer money and failing, but the government was actually promising more in an unconditional manner.
Nostradamus
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SPACE 6 September 2019
By Leah Crane
Artist’s rendition of the Vikram lander deploying the Pragyan rover
ISRO/YouTube
Once again, an attempted moon landing has not gone according to plan. On 6 September, India’s Vikram lander lost contact with Earth during an attempt to land on the moon and appears to have crashed, just five months after Israel’s Beresheet spacecraft faced a similar fate. If the landing had been successful, it would have made India the fourth nation ever to land on the moon after the Soviet Union, the US, and China.
Vikram was part of the Chandrayaan 2 mission, which launched from the Satish Dhawan Space Centre in India on 22 July. The mission also includes an orbiter and a six-wheeled rover called Pragyan, which was carried inside the lander.
Most of the landing sequence went as planned, but as the lander neared the surface, just 2.1 kilometres above the ground, it started to diverge from the plan. Shortly afterward it lost communication with Earth and may not have been able to slow itself down enough to land safely. The Indian Space Research Organization (ISRO) is analysing the data they have now to determine exactly what happened.
The spacecraft was intended to touch down near the south pole of the moon, where no lander or rover has ever been before. This unexplored region is particularly interesting because its craters contain areas that are permanently in shadow, where water ice can remain without being blasted away by sunlight.
Water ice is important for human space flight because it can be used to make rocket fuel and support astronauts, which is why NASA’s plans to land humans on the moon in 2024 involve landing in the area.
Chandrayaan 2’s orbiter remains in orbit around the moon, where it was intended to relay data from the lander and rover back to Earth as well as taking data of its own. The orbiter itself is carrying eight scientific instruments, which will still be used to map the moon’s surface and study its atmosphere.
https://www.newscientist.com/articl...n-lander-appears-to-have-crashed-on-the-moon/
This moon lander was supposed to land on the Dark side of the moon where aliens have bases there. It is highly likely it was shot down by aliens. They can't have human moon landers poking around their base albeit it is cloaked in invisible shield.
It doesn't work that way as you might think sitting in Arizona. Suspending all development of advanced technology till the "poor" were taken care of, which was Gandhi's (good) intention, would never have worked - India has Islamic countries on either side and a Communist country hungry for resources on the north, not to mention Russia very close by. In the 60s and 70s, Indian scientists traveled to UK, US and Europe to beg, borrow and steal nuclear technology, and also started an effort internally, which is one the reasons the country has not been wiped out or invaded by its neighbors. The use of advanced technology has been mocked forever - when I was a student, it was proposed that no college degree should be awarded unless the student explained his studies to the farmers in their local language. But going the opposite way has ensured wireless connectivity for the masses, millions of software jobs for domestic or outsourced demand, enormous foreign investment, an enormous increase in the status of women and low-caste people, and a slow eroding of religion and superstition barriers. Otherwise, India would be a slave country now.
Sometimes trickle down is the only way. India did not start from scratch like the US with tons of natural resources and no baggage.
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Azure
G.O.A.T.
It is also happening in India. Now a lot of private companies are involved in part manufacture of space programs.
If something comes out of the exploration, it's an added benefit.
The lunar orbiter is working fine and has located Fedace lurking on the dark side. It is suspected that he made off with the Lander.
Azure
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Latest news is that the lander indeed landed undamaged but landed in a tilt and therefore lost communication. This is an unforeseen small success.
Oh there are enough dissenters here. Probably not following it closely? People in the opposition and other parties are attacking. That said, the expenses on stupid statues here are much more than what was spent on this mission. What's the harm?
Besides, I don't see space mission failures that did not fail on launch as real failures. Technical glitches always occur. I'd rather have the scientists feel encouraged than feel guilty. They've worked hard and none of them 'wanted' this to happen. Of course as is customary a thorough assessment will surely be made. As I said earlier, Apollo missions have killed people in failed missions. Here it was just a wrong landing of an undamaged lander. This mission is cheaper than Chennai auto rates per kilometre
Nostradamus
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Alien bases on the dark side of the moon is real and NASA knows about it. it is just kept Top secret, only majestics in our government knows
https://www.gaia.com/article/what-did-nasa-really-discover-on-the-moon
https://www.gaia.com/article/what-did-nasa-really-discover-on-the-moon
Nostradamus
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do you honestly think Aliens are stupid enough to just blow it out of the space ? they would make it look like an accident or malfunction.Latest news is that the lander indeed landed undamaged but landed in a tilt and therefore lost communication. This is an unforeseen small success.
Oh there are enough dissenters here. Probably not following it closely? People in the opposition and other parties are attacking. That said, the expenses on stupid statues here are much more than what was spent on this mission. What's the harm?
Besides, I don't see space mission failures that did not fail on launch as real failures. Technical glitches always occur. I'd rather have the scientists feel encouraged than feel guilty. They've worked hard and none of them 'wanted' this to happen. Of course as is customary a thorough assessment will surely be made. As I said earlier, Apollo missions have killed people in failed missions. Here it was just a wrong landing of an undamaged lander. This mission is cheaper than Chennai auto rates per kilometre
Azure
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That's why we need more space missions - to find out if aliens are stupid or intelligent
Latest news is that the lander indeed landed undamaged but landed in a tilt and therefore lost communication. This is an unforeseen small success.
Oh there are enough dissenters here. Probably not following it closely? People in the opposition and other parties are attacking. That said, the expenses on stupid statues here are much more than what was spent on this mission. What's the harm?
Besides, I don't see space mission failures that did not fail on launch as real failures. Technical glitches always occur. I'd rather have the scientists feel encouraged than feel guilty. They've worked hard and none of them 'wanted' this to happen. Of course as is customary a thorough assessment will surely be made. As I said earlier, Apollo missions have killed people in failed missions. Here it was just a wrong landing of an undamaged lander. This mission is cheaper than Chennai auto rates per kilometre
And metro rail in Delhi takes R 200 crore/km to build just for @Sentinel's enjoyment! Compared to that, 900 crores to the moon is peanuts.
The Patel statue cost 3000 crores!
Azure
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And the silly CM chooses to give free rides. Fortunately the court came hard on him.
Exactly. Wait till the Shivaji statue comes up. My blood boils when tax payers money goes into this. On an average our govt spends less than 2% of its budget on research. That's a paltry sum so I really don't mind the cost on an 11 years strong technical project of sincere scientists.
3600 crores!
Mainad
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Only the USA has sent men to walk on the moon.
Mainad
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What the heck are aliens doing there? How dare they? It's OUR moon. They should go and build their friggin' bases on their own friggin' moon. NASA, the Russians, Chinese and Indians should all join together and send them a stern eviction notice: "Get the hell off OUR moon OR ELSE!"
Bartelby
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This is mostly irrelevant both to the point you were making and my response.
India has never really been a socialist country whatever is written in the Constitution.
The use of the state and state agencies to design and spur private capital accumulation is not inherently socialist.
India has never really been a socialist country whatever is written in the Constitution.
The use of the state and state agencies to design and spur private capital accumulation is not inherently socialist.
Nostradamus
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maybe one day they will deem us important enough to talk to us. I wonder if they will intervene if we start a nuclear war and go into brink of destroying out selves ?What the heck are aliens doing there? How dare they? It's OUR moon. They should go and build their friggin' bases on their own friggin' moon. NASA, the Russians, Chinese and Indians should all join together and send them a stern eviction notice: "Get the hell off OUR moon OR ELSE!"
Mainad
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I'm more concerned about what they are doing there in the first place. The moon belongs to the people of Earth. I don't care how unimportant they think we are, they have no right to be there!
stringertom
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Obviously they love Pink Floyd and wanted to see what life is like on the Dark Side Of The Moon.What the heck are aliens doing there? How dare they? It's OUR moon. They should go and build their friggin' bases on their own friggin' moon. NASA, the Russians, Chinese and Indians should all join together and send them a stern eviction notice: "Get the hell off OUR moon OR ELSE!"
Mainad
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If they're Pink Floyd fans that's okay, but they should have said so in the first place.
Raul_SJ
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Mainad
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We were there first, so it belongs to us. We can make the moon a U.S. colony.
You could make a start by sending President Trump there.
gn
G.O.A.T.
YOU ANTI-NATIONAL!
That's what people say if you question anything BJP does. At least building statues has created job opportunities though. I wish it is rather spent on building dams and science projects.
Zara
G.O.A.T.
I agree and I'd like it you to be the mission leader. Please set examples. We need those around here.
stringertom
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Lleytonstation
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Don't get me started. I always wanted to be an astronaut and would do anything to go on an interstellar mission.I agree and I'd like it you to be the mission leader. Please set examples. We need those around here.
I will start recruiting now. I just need a good name. How hard could it be to build a space ship.
Zara
G.O.A.T.
Take me with you please. I love the Universe God knows.
Would you like to call it Zara? Title 'Mission Impossible'.
Lleytonstation
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This works for me. But I am team lead and get a special colored space suit. It will be awesome. Out goal will be to find 3 habital earth's for us to start a new world. But finding life of some sort will be huge.
the best part will be the space food. So good.
Zara
G.O.A.T.
I want to be the wise one (but not Yoda, mind you - not look-wise anyway, eww) and will have my own special space suit. When you need great advice you come to me. ME.
We will take all the children and innocent people with us to create a new world. We will leave all the fans of the big 3 fans behind. Oh wait, that means you too. Okay, we will refine the plan later.
I'd like a 'Passengers' (the movie) type spaceship and I want to know all about it - all the mechanics. I am quite independent, mind you. Can't wait for a bloody guy to wake me up so that I can fulfill his sexual fantasies. Ain't happening. You are on your own....errr, I mean he is on his own.
Nostradamus
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they have bases here on earth as well, off the coast of Florida and also right off the coast of Sandiego, it north of there in the ocean. it is underwater base.
Zara
G.O.A.T.
Utter nonsense.
Lleytonstation
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Well I will allow AO17 final tape and WC08 just to be fair. No Djoker matches. I will meet one of the alien creatures and reproduce for the planet to have inter species colonization... depending on how they look.
I would wake up a year early, just so I could roam the ship before everyone else is up just like in Passengers. Obviously I would save everybody when the ship malfunctions and be a hero. Maybe... maybe I will wake you up and let you receive some hero acknowledgements as well.
Nostradamus
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NASA has video evidence.
Sentinel
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No one can speak up or even question now. Exactly what you said in the next para happens.
Sentinel
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Are you shore ???
Sentinel
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Last I heard, your immense gravity caused perturbations in its path, causing it to land on Uranus instead. So now it is doomed to send back images of the moist fry tonning nature.
