Injured Nadal to miss Marseille

danb

Professional
From BBC's website:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/tennis/6351439.stm

"Nadal has struggled with injuries this season, having complained of a sore leg after losing to Fernando Gonzalez at last month's Australian Open.

Russia's Nikolay Davydenko takes over as the top seed in Marseille."

Is Nadal more prone to injuries because of his style?
Could it be that he is just resting for the clay season?
 

Thor

Professional
I think that Nadal is actually taking the time to practise and work on his game for the upcoming 2 hardcourt masters and then clay season.
If he has to claim he sustained an injury then so be it
 

lorenza

Semi-Pro
its probably both. his playing style making him injury prone and he probably also wants to take a break before clay
 

malakas

Banned
as I posted in another thread :

well till now terrible start of the year injury-wise for Rafa.

Injured in Sydney, injured in Melbourne, injured in DC, withdraws from Marseille.

I hope he's fit for the clay season.Or else......
 
He's probably generally fine. I'd be willing to bet he is spending plenty of time on a court and in a gym.

I think he and Uncle Toni feel the need for a little more time to work on his new and not-improved-enough serve, and a more attacking style for this spring....keep pace with what all the good players are doing to him (rushing him). February just happens to be a good time for him to get tougher and retool before the time of the season where he'll have to defend HUGE points.
 

Thor

Professional
Absoloutley,probably working on his terrible return and slice too.
I just wonder why he doesnt hire another coach that can take him to the next level,at least on hardcourts.Seems like Toni isnt doing enough,even the simple advice of standing nearer the baseline on returns and rallies seemed to esacape him.
 

Wolbo

Rookie
I think that Nadal is actually taking the time to practise and work on his game for the upcoming 2 hardcourt masters and then clay season.
According to his website he is planning to play Indian Wells but not Miami. Strange.
 

Feña14

Legend
If he was planning on working on stuff then why even enter?

I'm sure people would welcome him spending time working on things than playing every tournament so I can't see why he's not being honest about it.
 

Nuke

Hall of Fame
Don't worry too much about Nadal. Waving the injury flag is just how the top guys get out of tournament committments these days.
 
Don't worry too much about Nadal. Waving the injury flag is just how the top guys get out of tournament committments these days.
Yeah, there is pressure on big names to enter these things months and months ahead of time. Promoters, ATP staff, the player's agent, etcetera. The process has very little in common with, say, one of us 'entering' a tournament.
 
i like nadal but am not unrealistic about his hard court chances if he doesn't make some changes-service variety, improved return of serve, closing the net more/volleying, use of slice, occasional serve n volley (esp. as a leftie), depth of shot, etc.

I must say that he looked better at at the AO leading up to the gonzalez match. in that match he was obviously outplayed big time. i noticed that his serve regressed back to its predictable "serve to the righty's bh mode," which gonzo took full advantage of, either by slicing, driving thru with his bh, or simply running around it & crushing a fh. maybe this return to old habits was due to nadal's injury/pain or out of desperation.

overall, i see nadal's fast court hopes hinging on his ability to really develop his serve (esp. variety), add a serve-n-volley wrinkle to use on occasion, and get more DEPTH OF SHOT in general and on service return. these changes clearly can tranfer to the clay courts as well as help to prevent an early retirement due to his defensive, grinding style.

the best clay courter ever, bjorn borg, did retire at 25 and was known to grind points out and seemingly never "win them outright," not unlike nadal.

but if rafa's anything like his uncle miguel angel nadal, who played in la liga as well as for Spain until his mid 30s, rafa ain't going nowhere. the nadal's are absolute bulls.

only time will tell.



if he doesn't do these things, he'll struggle against top 20 players on fast courts.
 

@wright

Hall of Fame
The question is, will Nadal be able to cut back on tournament play and still retain his edge when he does play. His style is largely based on rhythm.
 

NamRanger

G.O.A.T.
i like nadal but am not unrealistic about his hard court chances if he doesn't make some changes-service variety, improved return of serve, closing the net more/volleying, use of slice, occasional serve n volley (esp. as a leftie), depth of shot, etc.

I must say that he looked better at at the AO leading up to the gonzalez match. in that match he was obviously outplayed big time. i noticed that his serve regressed back to its predictable "serve to the righty's bh mode," which gonzo took full advantage of, either by slicing, driving thru with his bh, or simply running around it & crushing a fh. maybe this return to old habits was due to nadal's injury/pain or out of desperation.

overall, i see nadal's fast court hopes hinging on his ability to really develop his serve (esp. variety), add a serve-n-volley wrinkle to use on occasion, and get more DEPTH OF SHOT in general and on service return. these changes clearly can tranfer to the clay courts as well as help to prevent an early retirement due to his defensive, grinding style.

the best clay courter ever, bjorn borg, did retire at 25 and was known to grind points out and seemingly never "win them outright," not unlike nadal.

but if rafa's anything like his uncle miguel angel nadal, who played in la liga as well as for Spain until his mid 30s, rafa ain't going nowhere. the nadal's are absolute bulls.

only time will tell.



if he doesn't do these things, he'll struggle against top 20 players on fast courts.

Will never happen. His backhand is fine on hardcourts, it's actually one of the better backhands on the ATP, and probably one of the best when it comes to passing people. His forehand however is a complete mess on courts faster then Clay. He's hit his forehand the way he's hit it for so long, there's no way he can just tell himself to change it within 5 years let alone immediatly. He has no depth of shot because of he has no weight transfer, most of his weight is almost always on his backfoot.


See this

http://www.tennis.com/yourgame/instructionarticles/forehand/forehand.aspx?id=56544

Even when he follows through to his side he hits off his backfoot pretty much all the time. He can muscle the ball all he wants, but he won't get much pace and depth that way. This is a bad habit from the start that pretty much any good tennis coach would have caught on to and corrected at an early age. But since it has not, it would take a long time to fix such a bad habit that's been with Nadal for so long.
 

Bjorn99

Hall of Fame
I think he is retooling as well. My partner, to his credit, saw Nadal for what he was from day one. I personally, was excited to see a guy his height(tall) move that well. But you are right about his forehand (imo). It could have been so much,much more. I am not a big fan of the reverse forehand(where the racquet come back and finished on the same side). It can get you out of some real jams. But I don't believe in doing it 70% of the time, like Nadal does, and like Gasquet does. Fed does it, a lot, lot less.
 

rafan

Hall of Fame
I also thought he went back to his old serve etc when he was playing Gonzalez. It's as though he needs a lot more practice on his new approach to his game- especially under pressure - and maybe more confidence.
 

eunjam

Rookie
he's not gonna make it past 23 the way he plays.

great player, great heart, but i bet his joints HATE him.

time to dump his uncle and get a big name coach that can help him change his game.
 

Fedace

Banned
From BBC's website:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/tennis/6351439.stm

"Nadal has struggled with injuries this season, having complained of a sore leg after losing to Fernando Gonzalez at last month's Australian Open.

Russia's Nikolay Davydenko takes over as the top seed in Marseille."

Is Nadal more prone to injuries because of his style?
Could it be that he is just resting for the clay season?
His injuries are not that bad. after OZ open, he is just trying to get some rest for the US hard court season, ATP is a long season and who cares about these little tournaments/
 

tlm

G.O.A.T.
Ya nadal hits off his back foot+ does use a different style forehand than other players.He is also #2 in the world + has beaten fed 6 out of 9 times.His forehand is one of the biggest reasons for that, without that forehand he would not be were he is today.

As far as needing a new coach i agree, his biggest weakness is his serve+return game, not his forehand.
 

BlackSheep

Rookie
he's not gonna make it past 23 the way he plays.

great player, great heart, but i bet his joints HATE him.

time to dump his uncle and get a big name coach that can help him change his game.
He woun't drop Uncle Tony bc then his whole clan will hate him.
 

Nadal_Freak

Banned
Ya nadal hits off his back foot+ does use a different style forehand than other players.He is also #2 in the world + has beaten fed 6 out of 9 times.His forehand is one of the biggest reasons for that, without that forehand he would not be were he is today.

As far as needing a new coach i agree, his biggest weakness is his serve+return game, not his forehand.
His forehand is a big reason he struggles on the return as well as not being able to handle pace and flat shots.
 

mileslong

Professional
has beaten fed 6 out of 9 times.
LOL, this is about all you ********* have to hang your hat on these days, should i also post his record against blake and berdych? face it, if he had faced fed on any other surface but clay the record would be more like 14-1 to fed...
 

Fedace

Banned
he's not gonna make it past 23 the way he plays.

great player, great heart, but i bet his joints HATE him.

time to dump his uncle and get a big name coach that can help him change his game.
Eunjam, you are kind of cute, you want to meet up ?;)
 

tlm

G.O.A.T.
His record could not be 1-14 against fed because he has already beaten fed twice on the hardcourts, i know this is something the fed fans seem to always forget.I guess it kind of blows the theory that nadal cant beat him on the hardcourts.
 

Mr. Sean

Rookie
You guys ever think rafa did steroids. I mean one of the main side effects of steroids is acne ad he had it for like 4 months then it went away then after that he was ripped. Another of course is a weakening of the bodies tendons and muscles. I mean for a guy his age regardless of his playing style he shouldn't be having this many injuries. Cheng and hewitt used to run around just as much as rafa at his age and didn't get inured nearly as much.
 

christo

Hall of Fame
he's not gonna make it past 23 the way he plays.

great player, great heart, but i bet his joints HATE him.

time to dump his uncle and get a big name coach that can help him change his game.
yeah, good luck on that one, at his level things never change, look at Steffi, could crush a topspin backhand in practice but I think I saw her hit 1 topspin down the line passing shot in all the matches I saw her in.
 

[ GTR ]

Semi-Pro
he's not gonna make it past 23 the way he plays.

great player, great heart, but i bet his joints HATE him.

time to dump his uncle and get a big name coach that can help him change his game.
The guy is a bull for god's sake! Rafa loves the sport, he doesn't do it for money, girls, cars, big houses, whatever. He loves practicing,training and playing matches, after all this is his life and I also don't think changing coaches would help him. If you didn't know his uncle is very close to him.

All the emotion on the court, he is probably totally opposite off the court. He's shy, kind, respectful and everything else. And I'm not even a Nadal fan, but I do respect him a lot.
 

rafan

Hall of Fame
Nada

I quite agree - I think considering the pressure this guy is under he conducts himself really well. I have never seen him throw his racket when he is in a tight spot. He seems well aware of the fact that success can be failure tomorrow. His attitude on court under pressure shows great maturity also and I hope he can improve on his game as he is an excellent candidate for the no 1 spot.
 

Linda

New User
He woun't drop Uncle Tony bc then his whole clan will hate him.
QUOTE OF THE THREAD!
but there is evidence for the clanishness of his family: a perfectly middle class family, ALL living together in the same house? (or apartment, never can remember) that only happens in clans...
 

GOD_BLESS_RAFA

Semi-Pro
[ GTR ];1253133 said:
The guy is a bull for god's sake! Rafa loves the sport, he doesn't do it for money, girls, cars, big houses, whatever. He loves practicing,training and playing matches, after all this is his life and I also don't think changing coaches would help him. If you didn't know his uncle is very close to him.

All the emotion on the court, he is probably totally opposite off the court. He's shy, kind, respectful and everything else. And I'm not even a Nadal fan, but I do respect him a lot.
I could'nt agree more! Well I am a big fan of him and that is why I like him ...He is there for playing tennis and the sport! :D
 
[ GTR ];1253133 said:
The guy is a bull for god's sake! Rafa loves the sport, he doesn't do it for money, girls, cars, big houses, whatever. He loves practicing,training and playing matches, after all this is his life and I also don't think changing coaches would help him. If you didn't know his uncle is very close to him.

All the emotion on the court, he is probably totally opposite off the court. He's shy, kind, respectful and everything else. And I'm not even a Nadal fan, but I do respect him a lot.
Interesting you start your statement with "the guy is a bull" since I find your whole glorifying statement on how wonderful butt picking, excuse making, convenient injury time out taking Nadal, is in every way "alot of bull" as well. :p

As for his uncle, he creeps me out. He reminds of Yuri Sharapov.
 

TheTruth

G.O.A.T.
I think that Nadal is actually taking the time to practise and work on his game for the upcoming 2 hardcourt masters and then clay season.
If he has to claim he sustained an injury then so be it
I totally agree with this statement. I don't think he cares one whit what people think, especially those who cry for his demise. That kid is smart. He is honing up his skills and when he comes back we will all witness his much improved arsenal. What? You don't think him and Uncle Toni don't watch tapes and are shoring up his defenses? Ha!
 
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