Insight into Uncle toni-Interview with pete bodo

babbette

Legend
Uncle Toni


You hang around this game long enough and you come across an impressive array of coaching types. You have the controversial Svengalis, among whom the outstanding model is Ion Tiriac. Early in his young career, Guillermo Vilas essentially said: "Here I am, make of me what you will." And Tiriac, with a great feeling for Vilas's character and appetite for work, transformed the young Argentine into a clay-court master who would be eclipsed, historically, only by Bjorn Borg and Rafael Nadal.

Hugs Then you have the tennis nuts, among whom Nick Bollettieri stands out. Operating on the powerful platform of his tennis academy, Bollettieri left his imprint on the contemporary game by articulating what I ultimately came to call the New World Game, based on aggressive baseline play with an emphasis on the forehand and taking the ball on the rise; Bollettieri down-sized the game, more or less eliminating the approach shot in favor of the sizzling placement hit from inside the baseline, usually with the forehand. His proteges are well known, starting with Jimmy Arias and on through Andre Agassi, Jim Courier, Monica Seles and others. And, more than any other coach of a top player, Bollettieri has been a general tennis evangelist, spreading the gospel of tennis near and far with his eponymous academy serving as a kind of Vatican for his converts.

You have sports nuts: Brad Gilbert is a sports nut who happened to gravitate to tennis, both as a player and a coach. One of the greatest assets of this type of coach is the ability to put tennis into a general context, enabling players to ramp up their ability as competitors. Gilbert knows his X's and O's as well as anyone - yet one of his most telling coaching ploys was convincing Andy Roddick to dump that dorky visor he used to wear in favor of the more muscular, duck-bill cap. It helped Roddick earn the world no. 1 ranking.

You also have the purists: Think Paul Annacone. Although Annacone had a healthy passion for all sports, he was a true connisseur of tennis in all of its strategic, technical, and psychological dimensions. He was the perfect fit for Pete Sampras, a great believer in the less-is-more approach to most things, including his tennis. Annacone's thoughtful but never overly cerebral or byzantine analyses resonated with Sampras in what might be the most productive, successful, and, well, dignified coach-protege relationship of our time.

And then there are the mentors, the coaches who shape and mold players the way that a favorite college professor, minister, or immediate superior at your first full time job influenced you. These men and women aren't Svengalis, painting their own portraits on the canvas of a player's soul in a process that's often a tame and sunny version of that literary staple, the deal with the devil. The mentors are first and foremost tennis coaches, yet they're wise, discreet, principled and, ultimate, caring. They're just as interested in shaping young minds as exuberantly and sometimes wildly youthful games. They try to develop character, and not always for selfless reasons, because they are masters of understanding the relationship character can have to a player's results and motivations.

Bob Brett, who at various times coached Andres Gomez, Boris Becker, Goran Ivanisevic, Mario Ancic (he's currently working with Marin Cilic), is one of the great mentors - and still one of my favorite people in tennis. An old-school disciple of Harry Hopman, Brett left Australia because he was spurned and shut out of the official cabal comprised of former Grand Slam champions and lifelong bureaucrats, Brett believed in tennis, character is destiny. He felt that if he could shape and improve the character of his players, it would produce results on the tennis court.

Bob once told me a long story about a discussion he had with Goran Ivanisevic about. . . towels. The details are insignificant, but they had to do with the way Goran disposed of the official tournament towels he used, and Brett's intent was to get Ivanisevic to think about actions and consequences, profligacy and trusteeship. It was about towels, sure, but it was also about holding serve and about realizing that you have only so many chances to throw away - or capitalize upon - in your career. For a young player who sees nothing but future, and therefore knows nothing about regret, who never has to pay a dime for anything, and to whom everything is replaceable (by someone else, of course) at the snap of a finger, understanding about towels is a kind of doorway to understanding about digging a little deeper when you're about to lose a first-rounder in Vienna, or to getting over your disgruntlement because the drinks in the court-side cooler aren't cold enough for your taste.

Toni Nadal is a mentor, perhaps to an even greater degree than Brett. When El Jon Wertheim and I sat down with him at the US Open to plumb his coaching philosophy and background, neither of us knew exactly what to expect. Even to us as journalists, Toni has been a somewhat enigmatic figure - was he support team, family member, minder, tactician, strategist, emotional anchor? Although he's been a bona fide tennis coach for decades (he once coached the no. 2 junior in Spain), it's almost impossible to get Toni to focus on the X's and O's - so much so that neither El Jon nor I even thought to ask him about strategic or technical issues, except in terms of Nadal's development (Did anybody ever try to change his radical style, we asked?).

When we opened the conversation with a broad question about his strengths and assets as a coach, it opened the floodgates on philosophy of life, rather than philosophy of tennis. And the two most striking words in Toni's first answer were "normal" and "discipline."

You'll have to wait until the January-February issue of Tennis to read the interview and some of Toni's most revealing and interesting replies to our questions. But I feel safe saying that you'll be nothing less than astonished at the degree to which Rafael's (Toni never calls his nephew and protege "Rafa") development was more like basic training in life than an advanced education in tennis, with an emphasis on all the bells and whistles currently attached to our views of fitness, technique, nutrition and even equipment. Hail, Toni actually chose to practice on lousy courts with bad balls, just to teach young Rafael that winning or losing isn't about good balls or courts or strings or lights. It's about attitude, discipline, and perhaps most importantly, perspective.

The latter is such a signficant component precisely because perspective may be the hardest of all things to maintain once you hit a certain level in tennis - and players of far lesser talent than Nadal routinely hit that level at the age of 16, 17 - a time in young lives when the concept of perspective is about as familiar as quantum physics. If Toni Nadal has an outstanding virtue, it may be his fidelity to what you might call a grounded, normal life. He has fiercely resisted what might be called the decadence (with a small "d") that lays low so many players - and their coaches, who become accustomed to the cushy life of the tour. In this regard, it really helps Toni that he doesn't collect a paycheck from his nephew - and he knows it.
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babbette

Legend
When you hear Toni speak about tennis and how he developed Nadal, you can't help but wonder how anyone could have so adamantly resisted transformation and the lure of over-complication. That resistance is beautifully reflected in Rafael's rough-hewn game, but also in his more subtle, long-standing refusal to take his place in what, at the heyday of Federer's dominance, seemed a pre-ordained hierarchy with which everyone grew comfortable.

I'm convinced that Toni's general resistance to entering the tennis mainstream and embracing the values of its somewhat warped culture was transmitted to his nephew, and helps account for the doggedness with which pursued The Mighty Fed's - acknowledging his rival's superiority at every turn but also never forgetting that his own mission was to work hard and give his best, let the chips fall where they may. He pursued Federer with remarkable determination, yet it was never about catching Federer per se.

In a sneaky way, Rafael Nadal is an outsider, and Toni is partly responsible for his nephew's ability to resist becoming just another guy content to go to work to take his cut, or getting all tangled up in conflicting feelings of respect, envy and resentment toward his great nemesis. And Toni seemingly achieved that without ever once resorting to platitudes about winning being "everything", or the value of being the no. 1 player in the world.

Toni simply doesn't talk in those terms. He talks about discipline, self-sufficiency (Toni refuses to take his nephews rackets for stringing, on the grounds that Rafael's the one who has to play with the danged things. Besides, Rafael has all the time in the world when he's at tournament, so why shouldn't he be the one dealing with that kind of thing?), hard work and respect for everyone, regardless of his or her station in life. That may sound hokey, or carefully orchestrated to project a certain image for Toni or Rafael. All I can say is that we spent well over hour talking with Toni, and I've yet to meet someone whose true colors aren't revealed, in or between the lines, over a period of that length.

Physically, Toni isn't nearly as imposing as he sometimes appears on television. He's thickly built and swarthy, but at times the light in his eyes is almost child-like. He's a realist, but given to speaking in parables, and his basic tone is philosophical. Talking to him, you can see where Rafael got his talent for disarming loaded questions about his rivalry with Federer by pointing out the obvious: by number of major titles and ranking points, Roger Federer is by definition the best player in the world. Anything else is mere speculation or wishful thinking.

Toni studied history at the university level, but he's no intellectual. He laughs easily, Here are some of the questions that I had to leave out of the published interview, due to space limitiations. So consider this just a brief glimpse into Toni Nadal, how he thinks, and the values he brings to the table for Rafael:
Q: Does Rafa ever complain about the perils and pressures of his position?

A: No, because he never complain about being no. 2. He already happy being there. I try always to explain to him, things that happen in life, everything has a positive and a negative. When you shoot a gun, it give you a kick in the shoulder, right? Same thing. There’s more pressure when you’re at the top, so that’s the kick back from being no. 1. A lot of people have it worse than him, they have to work much harder than him, for less, and they do it.

Q: What role does religion play in your life?

Zero. I don’t believe. I studied history in university. Religion comes from ignorance in people. Tribal societies, when they see a flash of lightning or something unusual, they say it come from the Magician. But when society move forward, and technology discover more, religion goes in the back. For me, is very important to be moral – to be good person. But not religion.

Q: What would Rafa be doing if he couldn’t play tennis any more?

A: I would like him to be involved in Spanish Olympic movement and committee, and to do things for other people. Doing things to improve the society. Whatever he wants.

Q: Are you concerned, as a human being, that Rafael is just being driven and pushed like a racehorse, and suffering in other aspects of his life, or education?

A: I was in university, but to me it’s not very important. For me, the important thing in life is to have an interest in things. I come here to learn something about American people. I like to see the television, what people are watching. To me, the thing is to be interested, maybe read newspapers. At the moment, young people not too interested in things. Is a pity. But when you spend so much time to be a good tennis player, journalist, business manager, you cannot do much else.

You always give up some things to have other things. When I go with girlfriend, I cannot be here. When Rafael is here, he loses chance to be at the beach with his friends. But when he’s at beach, he loses chance to be here. You cannot have everything. In this life, you have this - or that. So for Rafael, he has a good life at the moment, like me, no? I am very happy to be sitting at my house at home in front of the beach and my garden, but if I am there all the time I am bored. When I speak with one of my kids (Toni has three) I think it better to be there, with them. But then I cannot be here, at US Open. it is always a choice: this – or that.

Q: You don’t wear a wedding ring?

A: I have three kids but no ring. I am not married because of my philosophy. When I have a friend, I don’t have to tell other people, “This is my friend!” I have not just one friend, and my girlfriend is my friend.

Q: Are a man like you and a youngster like Rafael comfortable, culturally, at a place like Wimbledon?

A: Well, I have a different concept of life. I believe that all these formalities are just because of where it is, and I understand it. But I like a more normal life, and I think Rafael is a more normal person.

For example, (Carlos) Moya is a very kind person, a good person, but he was here and when he need a car I see that he told his coach, “Phone for the driver.” When you get used to doing nothing for yourself, it’s too easy. With Rafael, I say in that situation, do it yourself. It’s better. This was my work with him.

For me, at the moment it seem that young people have not too much interest in things, because everything is too easy for them. When I have a mobile phone, is easy, all the things. You want meeting with friend, boom-boom, it's done. When I was young, studying in Barcelona, when I came home I didn't know where my friends were. I had to go look for them. Today, it's easier, but people have no great interest in learning and knowing things. This is normal, but maybe not so good.

In this life, the most important things can’t control, like your health. Maybe your girlfriend, if she don’t want to go with you no more, then you have a problem. You must be prepared for this. When things go good, I want this, I have, I want that, I have - but then you are not prepared for when things go bad. I always try to prepare Rafael for everything.

Q: Many guys out there have five cars, three houses, even a share in a jet. What does Rafa own?

A: At the moment, Rafael have nothing. He has not house, because his parents have money and some good houses. He has some cars - one form a sponsor (KIA), one Mercedes he win in Stuttgart. But personally for me is no is no good that young man have a good car. I don’t like to see a young people have things like that.

What do you do together, hobby-wise?

A: Rafael like fishing very much. Together, we like soccer and golf. We play golf together with another brother of mine(Miguel Angel Nadal, the former soccer star with Real Madrid).

http://tennisworld.typepad.com/tenniswo ... -toni.html
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babbette

Legend
I find him way too strict. Too many things he says sometimes make me cringe and other things he says makes me think he is actually wise; he is after all one of the people that helped turn Rafa into what he is today. But I do feel sometimes like Rafa is a bit too brainwashed by his uncle, and maybe doesn't have as much freedom to be a bit more himself, or discover himself a bit more :-?
 

TheTruth

G.O.A.T.
I really enjoy reading about his philosophy and admire the way he keeps Nadal grounded. Toni sees life on his own terms, and that's the way I think we should live our lives, on our own terms, based on what we feel and believe, and not being influenced by the world at large. I also agree people shouldn't get beside themselves because of privilege. Focus on your goals, achieve them, but do you really need to gain the approval of others for what your own life's aspirations are? Yeah, I like Toni Nadal. A totally different perspective.
 
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ThugNasty

Guest
Uncle Toni sounds like a guy who probably pushed rafa really hard. I could be wrong, but he sounds like an aggressive and hard working character.
 

rafan

Hall of Fame
I don't really think you can make someone do somehting they really do not want to do. Rafa must love tennis and have enourmous respect for his uncle otherwise he would start to rebel now that he has come so far. This was a really incredible article as it gave so much insight into what goes on behind the scenes. I loved the bit about Rafa having to do things for himself - at least he will not turn into one of those spoilt superstars. He's lucky to have Uncle Tony and his set of sound values
 
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veroniquem

Bionic Poster
I'm not sure I understand his answer about marriage. Does he mean his relationship with his wife is not exclusive? She 's like a friend but she' s not the only one... That was not very clear to me. Everyone says he has traditional values but neither his viewpoint on religion or marriage are traditional in the slightest (although cheating on one's spouse or partner has been a traditional male Spanish standard for quite some time. Don Juan anyone?)
 

urban

Legend
Katalan people will be very angry about Bodo's statement, that Rafa's uncle played soccer for Real Madrid. Of course, he played for CF Barcelona, where the pope is member.
 

rafan

Hall of Fame
I'm not sure I understand his answer about marriage. Does he mean his relationship with his wife is not exclusive? She 's like a friend but she' s not the only one... That was not very clear to me. Everyone says he has traditional values but neither his viewpoint on religion or marriage are traditional in the slightest (although cheating on one's spouse or partner has been a traditional male Spanish standard for quite some time. Don Juan anyone?)

I can see where you are getting at Veroniquem but I have met many people who claim to have traditional values and are religeous but are anti-gay, also insular and racist. I think there is part of Uncle Toni who is still basically Majorcan in his outlook from what I remember of my visits to Majorca, however when I last visited there it would have been out of place for someone to live as man and wife and not be married so I am assuming that Majorca is following the rest of the world in this respect
 

TheTruth

G.O.A.T.
I thought he said he had 3 kids, but no wife. It seems he said, why did he need to prove his relationship status with a ring for all to see.
 

Cyan

Hall of Fame
I bet Tio Toni gets a lot of pu$$y traveling around the world with Rafa and staying in all those posh hotels... Tio Toni is like a Rockband Rockin' Roadie.. All those hot chicas that want to do Rafa have to do Tio Toni first.... LOL!!!! :)
 

CoachNC

New User
I like his philosophy alot.

This is a question for him,
Why you train Nadal not to step on the "event logo" in front of the chair?
 

veritech

Hall of Fame
Uncle Toni sounds like a guy who probably pushed rafa really hard. I could be wrong, but he sounds like an aggressive and hard working character.

his aggressiveness and hardworking pays off. definitely has good philosophy on working hard and has great work ethics. although i don't agree with everything he says, he sounds very well educated and has some interesting outlooks.

was he a professional athlete in his earlier days?
 
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ThugNasty

Guest
his aggressiveness and hardworking pays off. definitely has good philosophy on working hard and has great work ethics. although i don't agree with everything he says, he sounds very well educated and has some interesting outlooks.

was he a professional athlete in his earlier days?
indeed, he was an ardent soccer professional when he was younger. He played for spain in olympics. I think, but i am not sure.

Edit:sorry about that, turns out toni nadals brother was a famous soccer player
 

chlsmo

Semi-Pro
Great interview. I had no idea he and I had so much in common.

I am sure he is likely agnostic, not atheist. I also share his view on marriage. You do not need a ring on your finger or any special ceremonies to show how you care and love for someone. In a way when someone can look down on their finger and see a band on their finger day after day they become apathetic.
 

Clydey2times

Hall of Fame
Great interview. I had no idea he and I had so much in common.

I am sure he is likely agnostic, not atheist. I also share his view on marriage. You do not need a ring on your finger or any special ceremonies to show how you care and love for someone. In a way when someone can look down on their finger and see a band on their finger day after day they become apathetic.

Most agnostics are atheists. They just don't correctly define the term. I'm an atheist but could never say with complete certainty that there is no god.

I'm 99.99999% sure there's no god, as opposed to 100%. Agnosticism implies that one is 50/50 on whether there is a god.

I agree with him on marriage too.
 

chlsmo

Semi-Pro
Most agnostics are atheists. They just don't correctly define the term. I'm an atheist but could never say with complete certainty that there is no god.

I'm 99.99999% sure there's no god, as opposed to 100%. Agnosticism implies that one is 50/50 on whether there is a god.

I agree with him on marriage too.

Not really for this thread, but I disagree with you. :)
 

Nanshiki

Hall of Fame
I think if you have kids with someone, you owe the kids to get married, if only for the tax benefit reasons. And it means a lot for kids to grow up seeing that their parents have made a commitment to each other, even if it's primarily symbolic.

Also, as Stephen Colbert says, an Agnostic is just an Atheist without balls. lol. I don't think it implies a certain 'percentage' point... you could just as well be 80/20, 90/10, 99.99/.01 and still be 'agnostic' so to speak.

That's in the same way that the majority of Religious people are 105% convinced they're right, until they have some sort of crisis of faith and go down to like, 80% sure. Atheism is the same way, in which the defining characteristic is 100% disbelief. Any less is labeled as agnosticism.

I do find that lack of belief in former Christians probably goes in stages though... you can start out at 100% belief, fall to 80, 60, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10.... .00001... etc
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
I'm not sure I understand his answer about marriage. Does he mean his relationship with his wife is not exclusive? She 's like a friend but she' s not the only one... That was not very clear to me. Everyone says he has traditional values but neither his viewpoint on religion or marriage are traditional in the slightest (although cheating on one's spouse or partner has been a traditional male Spanish standard for quite some time. Don Juan anyone?)

He probably has one of those "open" relationships. <sigh> I missed the boat on that one. There was no Toni to coach me.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Most agnostics are atheists. They just don't correctly define the term. I'm an atheist but could never say with complete certainty that there is no god.

The problem faced by atheists and agnostics is that their viewpoint is still defined by religion as the golden standard (they are 100% or 50% or whatever removed from it). They need to stop using religious terms altogether. They think they can win an argument, but they never do because they are fighting an irrational premise in the first place. Can you ever prove that a K90 did not suddenly start talking to its owner one day? If your viewpoint is that I don't believe this could happen or it could happen 50%, you have already defined yourself by the premise.
 

rafan

Hall of Fame
He probably has one of those "open" relationships. <sigh> I missed the boat on that one. There was no Toni to coach me.

What I always liked about Nadal is that he is not a spoilt wonder kid that he could well be and I think that must be a lot to do with Toni's guidance at a young age
 

Clydey2times

Hall of Fame
I think if you have kids with someone, you owe the kids to get married, if only for the tax benefit reasons. And it means a lot for kids to grow up seeing that their parents have made a commitment to each other, even if it's primarily symbolic.

Also, as Stephen Colbert says, an Agnostic is just an Atheist without balls. lol. I don't think it implies a certain 'percentage' point... you could just as well be 80/20, 90/10, 99.99/.01 and still be 'agnostic' so to speak.

That's in the same way that the majority of Religious people are 105% convinced they're right, until they have some sort of crisis of faith and go down to like, 80% sure. Atheism is the same way, in which the defining characteristic is 100% disbelief. Any less is labeled as agnosticism.

I do find that lack of belief in former Christians probably goes in stages though... you can start out at 100% belief, fall to 80, 60, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10.... .00001... etc

You could argue every atheist is technically agnostic. No atheist can say they are 100% certain that god doesn't exist. Technically all atheists are agnostic. However, in practice they are atheists.

Richard Dawkins tried to demonstrate this.

He gave a scale from 1-7.

1 = fundamentalist christian (or indeed muslim etc)

4 = 50/50 agnostic

7 = atheist

Most atheists are essentially a 6.99999 on that scale. Therefore, they are technically agnostic. The term agnostic does in fact imply equal doubt either way. If you are agnostic you're asserting that something is unknowable. While I hold that to be true, I also deny that there exists an all powerful space daddy in the sky. I'm as certain as one can be without being 100% certain.
 

rafan

Hall of Fame
You could argue every atheist is technically agnostic. No atheist can say they are 100% certain that god doesn't exist. Technically all atheists are agnostic. However, in practice they are atheists.

Richard Dawkins tried to demonstrate this.

He gave a scale from 1-7.

1 = fundamentalist christian (or indeed muslim etc)

4 = 50/50 agnostic

7 = atheist

Most atheists are essentially a 6.99999 on that scale. Therefore, they are technically agnostic. The term agnostic does in fact imply equal doubt either way. If you are agnostic you're asserting that something is unknowable. While I hold that to be true, I also deny that there exists an all powerful space daddy in the sky. I'm as certain as one can be without being 100% certain.
Don't you mean extremist christian/muslim?
 

rafan

Hall of Fame
Sorry ignore previous message it was int he wrong context

What I meant to say was that so many people who take their religeon to the extreem and often distort it are known as fundamentalists which never quite makes sense to me
 

Clydey2times

Hall of Fame
What I meant to say was that so many people who take their religeon to the extreem and often distort it are known as fundamentalists which never quite makes sense to me

Here's a quick definition of fundamentalism from dictionary.com

"A usually religious movement or point of view characterized by a return to fundamental principles, by rigid adherence to those principles, and often by intolerance of other views and opposition to secularism."
 

rafan

Hall of Fame
Here's a quick definition of fundamentalism from dictionary.com

"A usually religious movement or point of view characterized by a return to fundamental principles, by rigid adherence to those principles, and often by intolerance of other views and opposition to secularism."

I was told off once in Egypt for saying fundamentalists when I should have said extremists according to a guide.
 

pound cat

G.O.A.T.
I really enjoy reading about his philosophy and admire the way he keeps Nadal grounded. Toni sees life on his own terms, and that's the way I think we should live our lives, on our own terms, based on what we feel and believe, and not being influenced by the world at large. I also agree people shouldn't get beside themselves because of privilege. Focus on your goals, achieve them, but do you really need to gain the approval of others for what your own life's aspirations are? Yeah, I like Toni Nadal. A totally different perspective.

Great post. I hope you have lots of children or work with children as you would be a fine role model for them.


I like Uncle Toni too. He is what being a human is all about.
 

TheTruth

G.O.A.T.
Great post. I hope you have lots of children or work with children as you would be a fine role model for them.


I like Uncle Toni too. He is what being a human is all about.



What an absolutely beautiful post, pound cat. This is the nicest thing anyone has ever said to me. I adore children and always have. I currently work with children at a fraction of what I used to make, but nothing has been more rewarding in my life. Your words have truly touched me. Thank you so much!
 
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