Instinct is to watch your defensive lob (instead of recovering to center position)

[Carefree]

How can that be interpreted to be a defensive lob?
And Orange is standing in the perfect position to return any possible return from his opponent...so he doesn't need to move after hitting a defensive high slice backhand.

Yeah, I was going to write this too. Recover to where? He's already in the recovery position.

 

[Carefree]

the one he doesn't recover for is at :50. He ran around his forehand to go down the line. His opponent didn't get it back, but if he had gotten to it and went cross court (which would be the right shot), orange top would have been in trouble.

Edit: Having watched more, it looks like he never recovers after going DTL. Considering that he takes everything on his forehand, it makes him way out of position.

 

[Doc Hollidae]

He's totally flat footed and just staring at his ball.
Racket hangs down at his side.
I believe his hand is almost in his pocket.
Maybe it's time to grab some mid-point peanuts?

Yup, great form you guys promote!

Position wise he did not need to recover. Is he 100% correct in his form however? No, he could have been on the balls of his feet, crouched, and racket ready, but he was not out of position.

Once again you are concentrating on too many aspects without fully understanding what matters or the context. This thread is about not watching your defensive lob and recovering immediately. You then post this video and claim this occurs at higher levels of tennis as well, without understanding the full context. 1) the guy in the orange tank top did not hit a defensive lob. It was backhand slice that floated. 2) He was not out of position or pulled out wide. 3) Based on his position, he did not need to recover to the middle or to the other side of the court. 4) Did he win the point? Yes.

Had he recovered to the middle like you expect, then he would have put himself in a disadvantage potentially. A player with a big forehand will want to hit forehands as often as possible. Where he is standing, is the correct position for someone whose forehand is their weapon. By moving to the middle, he would have opened up the court for his opponent to hit to his backhand. Also by instantly recovering to the middle, he opens up the possibility of his opponent hitting behind him. Because the shot floated, he is watching his opponent to try and get an idea of where he is hitting it and then reacts appropriately. As soon as hit opponent plants his right foot, it is easy to determine the direction he was going to hit. He planted his foot into a closed/neutral stance which won't allow for him to open his hips and hit cross court. The only place his opponent could have hit after was down the line or at best to the middle and that is exactly what happened.

 

[SinjinCooper]

4.5's position is fine.

His readiness is terrible.

His tank top is a crime against humanity.

 

[atp2015]

the one he doesn't recover for is at :50. He ran around his forehand to go down the line. His opponent didn't get it back, but if he had gotten to it and went cross court (which would be the right shot), orange top would have been in trouble.

Edit: Having watched more, it looks like he never recovers after going DTL. Considering that he takes everything on his forehand, it makes him way out of position.

Why recover for CC return after going dtl?
Dtl is almost close to the point ender.
Unless he wants 20 ball rally or the opponent's FH is very weak(3.0 fh). Both are unlikely at 4.5 level.

 

[Mark Asher]

You can even argue that leaving DTL open is a way of baiting the opponent to go for the lower percentage shot.

 

[SinjinCooper]

But yeah, on that stroke, he should keep his head still through contact, should extend the follow through (forward or across the body, and up), and should hold the finish for a beat or two. Instead, he watches the ball and skips all that essential jazz.

So partial credit for OP, IMO.

 

[TimeToPlaySets]

So, the guy went DTL.

 

[Carefree]

Why recover for CC return after going dtl?
Dtl is almost close to the point ender.
Unless he wants 20 ball rally or the opponent's FH is very weak(3.0 fh). Both are unlikely at 4.5 level.

Because you're supposed to be ready for the ball to come back. Recovery is a habit.

 

[atp2015]

Because you're supposed to be ready for the ball to come back. Recovery is a habit.

Recovery is fine, but not for CC return. But dtl as approach for volley or oh. Still needs recovery, but expect dtl reply.

 

[atp2015]

But yeah, on that stroke, he should keep his head still through contact, should extend the follow through (forward or across the body, and up), and should hold the finish for a beat or two. Instead, he watches the ball and skips all that essential jazz.

So partial credit for OP, IMO.

Sure, all credit to OP for pointing out lazy recovery. I watched the video, he does recover most of the time. IMO, the guy thought he mis hit and he gave up a bit too early. Realized later that it was really in.

 

[meltphace 6]

Define "center position". OP with his daily threads is so clueless, it hurts.

New rule for TTPS: 1 thread per USD 4000 spent for tennis lessons.

 

[SinjinCooper]

Sure, all credit to OP for pointing out lazy recovery. I watched the video, he does recover most of the time. IMO, the guy thought he mis hit and he gave up a bit too early. Realized later that it was really in.

I'm with ya.

I just do think there's value, as a developing player, in looking at play and saying, "He did ____ wrong. He should have done ____."

TTPS correctly spotted the first, then fumbled the ball. Neither Rome nor 4.0 was built in a day.

 

[TimeToPlaySets]

10:51
FROZEN Admiring his moonball.
Lucky he's in the center, but be aware of this TRANCE.
RECOVER, don't stare!

12:38
Recover, don't watch

 

[LeeD]

Instead of obsessing over the fact you found moment's of lazy tennis, you should just take it as a lesson NOT to be lazy, and always start a return towards center of intersect.