Interesting Article about Water vs. Sports Drinks

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Haven't seen this posted before, but I know it's commonly discussed. I'm sure there will be cynics who want to know who funded the article (I'd like to know), but I thought it would be interesting to post. BTW, I am a HUGE Cytomax and Endurox fan, so I wanted to let you know that I am a bit biased here :) Anyways, there is some good information here, take a read.

http://www.active.com/story.cfm?story_id=12110

Which fluid hydrates best: Water or a sports drink?
By Matt Fitzgerald
For Active.com
July 18, 2005

Unless you've been living in a cave, you've probably seen those television advertisements in which a leading sports drink maker claims its product "hydrates better than water." The fact that the message of these ads hasn't changed in many years suggests that a lot of athletes aren't buying it. But it's actually true.

Why do sports drinks hydrate better than water? There are three reasons. First, fluids are absorbed through the gut and into the bloodstream faster when their osmolality closely matches that of body fluids such as blood.

Osmolality is the concentration of dissolved particles in a fluid. Sports drinks contain dissolved minerals (sodium, etc.) and carbohydrates, whereas water doesn't, so water doesn't reach the bloodstream as quickly.

Sodium and other nutrients also play important roles in regulating fluid balance in the body. In other words, they help determine how much fluid enters into muscle fibers and other cells, how much remains in the blood, and so forth. Again, because sports drinks contain these nutrients, they do a better job of allowing the body to maintain optimal fluid balance, which is an important aspect of hydration that few athletes consider.

A third advantage of sports drinks over water with respect to hydration is that the sodium content of sports drinks stimulates thirst, so athletes usually drink more when they have a sports drink than when they have plain water.

Choosing the right sports drink

Not all sports drinks hydrate equally. Those that contain higher amounts of sodium are preferable, because they are absorbed quicker and maintain fluid balance in the blood and muscles better. Choose a sports drink that contains at least 15 mg of sodium per ounce.

New research suggests that sports drinks containing a small amount of protein may also hydrate better than conventional sports drinks. Protein is an often-overlooked nutrient that affects osmolality just as minerals and carbs do. Therefore the addition of protein to a sports drink has the potential to increase its absorption rate.

This was demonstrated in a recent study by exercise physiologists at San Antonio Catholic University in Murcia, Spain, and published in the Spanish Journal of Nuclear Medicine.

Twenty-four well-trained cyclists participated in the study. They were fed either of two sports drinks at rest and during a workout. Drink A was a conventional sports drink containing 15 grams of carbohydrate per 100 ml. Drink B contained 10 grams of carbohydrate per 100 ml plus proteins.

After 60 minutes of exercise, the researchers found that a significantly greater amount of drink B, containing carbs and protein, had been absorbed than drink A. These results indicate that a carb-protein sports drink may hydrate better than a conventional sports drink.

The addition of protein to a sports drink appears also to aid fluid retention. When a beverage is too dilute, it tends to pass quickly through the bloodstream to the bladder so it doesn't "water down" the blood and other body fluids.

New evidence suggests that the right amount of protein in a sports drink, in combination with the right amount of carbs and electrolytes, may boost fluid retention and help you hydrate better during exercise.

In a new study from St. Cloud State University, cyclists exercised until they lost two percent of their body weight and then consumed one of three beverages: a sports drink containing carbohydrate and protein in a 4:1 ratio; a conventional sports drink containing carbs and electrolytes but no protein; or water.

Over the next three hours, the investigators measured how much of each beverage was retained. Only 53 percent of the water was retained, versus 75 percent of the conventional sports drink and an amazing 88 percent of the carb-protein sports drink.

Other advantages of sports drinks

Sports drinks have other advantages over water for athletes and exercisers that go beyond better hydration. Specifically, the calories in sports drinks have been shown to increase energy and endurance, limit the immune system suppression that sometimes follows hard workouts, reduce exercise-induced muscle damage, and promote faster recovery.

Water is by far the most popular fluid choice during exercise. However, sports drinks actually do a better job of hydration, while also providing other benefits that water does not. Water is a great drink choice outside of workouts, but during exercise you're much better off with a sports drink. In this case, there's truth in advertising.

This article was adapted by the author from The Cutting-Edge Runner: How to Use the Latest Science and Technology to Run Longer, Stronger, and Faster (Rodale, $15.95). Click here to purchase a copy.
 
'Water is a great drink choice outside of workouts, but during exercise you're much better off with a sports drink.'

Hmmm, where have I heard that before?
 
it depends... but one of my idiotic PE teacher said the fastest way to treat DEHYDRATION is water, sports drinks are good for certain things, but not EVERYTHING. then again, I hated him but he could be right.

I try to drink both during a match, a sip of energy drink then rinse with water because i cant stand the taste of anything sweet in my mouth during a match.
 
I also go half sports drink half water in my water bottle (both for cycling and tennis) as I can't do the straight stuff during a match either.
 
Geezer Guy said:
'Water is a great drink choice outside of workouts, but during exercise you're much better off with a sports drink.'

Hmmm, where have I heard that before?
Yeah, I've been saying it for years. If you don't like the taste of sports drinks, you're fine to drink plain water but be sure to also take in some nutrients by eating bananas, power bars, etc.
 
The absolute best replenishment drink is Shaklee's Performance. After reading this excerpt, please take a look at the bottom for research Performance has in it's corner.

Actually under exteme circumstances drinking water can actually cause death during long periods of strenuous exercise by diluting the sodium content withing the body. This is called Hyponatremia.

It's a relatively newly identified condition that is found predominantly in athletes who participate in endurance activities (distance running, cycling, adventure racing, triathlons, X-terras etc.).

Hyponatremia occurs as a result of over-hydrating (ie. drinking so much fluid that the athlete lowers the amount of sodium in the blood). Most at risk for hyponatremia are endurance athletes who participate in long and arduous bouts of exercise and those with a low body mass index.

Generally, slower athletes are more at risk because they take the time to stop at rest stops, at water stations etc. during races. Faster and more competitive athletes are usually the opposite - although they need to drink (because losing even 2% of your body weight from fluid loss can adversely affect athletic performance), they typically finish races somewhat dehydrated.

My guess is that this condition has finally hit the radar because of the large number of "regular folks" - slower runners and walkers - who have begun participating in marathons over the past few years.

Here's an article on the condition:
http://www.runnersworld.com/article...-0-7958,00.html

The only other thing I would add is that I don't want to scare people into not drinking during exercise. Hyponatremia exists, but dehydration is a MUCH more common and easily preventable condition - so drink.

In the mid 1980s, Shaklee was asked to help with the Daedalus Project, in which a cyclist would pedal a super-lightweight plane 115 km (72 miles) over the Sea of Crete. Originally, Shaklee was to provide nutritional counselling to the team of pilots during their intensive training. When it was discovered that no sports drink on the market (including Gatorade) could meet these athletes’ extreme energy and fluid needs, Shaklee scientists developed Performance®. As a result, the Daedalus pilot pedalled between the Greek islands of Crete and Santorini in less than four hours – a record that still stands today.

SHAKLEE PERFORMANCE®
The Physiology of Human-Powered Flight. Weiss. Science News 1990;137:140.

The Effects of Sodium: Carbohydrate (Na: Carb) Ratios in Rehydration beverages (RB) on Plasma (PG), Osmolality (PO), Volume (PV), and Subject Tolerance (ST). FASEB J 1990;4:A381 (abstract).

The Daedalus Project: Physiological Problems and Solutions. Nadel, Bussolari. Am Scientist 1988:76:351-60.

Glucose-Electrolyte Ingestion: Influence on Endurance Factors in Highly Trained Female Cyclists. Sirotniak, Foster. Med Sci Sports Exer Suppl 1992;24:S121 (abstract).

Vascular Uptake of Rehydration Fluids in Hypohydrated Men at Rest and Exercise. Greenleaf, Geelen, Jackson et al. NASA Technical Memorandum 1992:1039-42.

Vascular Uptake of Rehydration Fluids in Resting Hypohydrated Men. Greenleaf, Geelen, Saumet et al. FASEB J 1991;5:A1147 (abstract).

Hypervolemia in Men from Drinking Hyperhydration Fluids at Rest and During Exercise. Greenleaf, Looft-Wilson,Wisherd et al. NASA Technical Memorandum 1994:46-57.

Drink Composition and Cycle-Ergometer Endurance in Men: Carbohydrate, Na+, Osmolality. Greenleaf, Looft-Wilson, Wisherd et al. NASA Technical Memorandum 1994:46-50.

CD4+/CD8+ T-Lymphocyte Ratio: Effects of Rehydration Before Exercise in Dehydrated Men. Greenleaf, Jackson, Lawless. Med Sci Sports Exer 1995;27:194-9.

Drinking-Induced Plasma Vasopressin and Norepinephrine Changes in Dehydrated Humans. Geelen, Greenleaf, Keil. J Clin Endocrinol Metab 1996;81:2131-35.

Hypervolemia in Men from Fluid Ingestion at Rest and During Exercise. Greenleaf, Looft-Wilson, Wisherd et al. Aviat Space Environ Med 1998;69:374-86.
 
Waimea_Boy said:
Spam alert!

Gatorade has about 1,000 times the amount of research as that Shaklee ****e.

Absolutely not true. Shaklee has invested over 250 million in research towards nutrition which is more than any other nutritional company in the world by an enormous margin. Performance in general as posted above has been published in 11 journals. Please post any published research by Gatorade. My guess is you won't find any. Better yet, contact them and ask them for a complete bibliography of their research published in referee or peer review journals. You should contact any comapany selling nutritional products and ask them for a complete bibliography. EAS, TwinLabs and several others told me years back that they didn't do this because the FDA didn't require them to. I asked, "then how do I know they work". EAS said, "trust me it works". This doesn't cut it for me as my wife has a background in science. Human Genetics with emphasis on protein synthesis and cell signalling. Her research was published while working at the National Cancer Institute in Frederick, MD. Her research on Lynn was a breakthrough in cancer research. I've absorbed a great deal of knowledge from her. I have no problem answering these types of questions. I'm not spamming and I'm not selling anything. I'm just trying to post truthful facts and not just, "this worked for me". Double blind studies don't lie, but the mind can fool you into thinking a product works.
 
Waimea_Boy said:
Yeah, I've been saying it for years. If you don't like the taste of sports drinks, you're fine to drink plain water but be sure to also take in some nutrients by eating bananas, power bars, etc.
Eating during excercise is a huge mistake. While bananas are are good source of carbs, they are too hard to digest during excercise and take too many of your bodies resources during the digestive process. However, post workout bananas accompanied by a sizeable protein source will help to raise glycogen levels in muscle tissue and set the body into an anabolic state. (it starts the repair process)
 
Virus said:
Absolutely not true. Shaklee has invested over 250 million in research towards nutrition which is more than any other nutritional company in the world by an enormous margin. Performance in general as posted above has been published in 11 journals. Please post any published research by Gatorade. My guess is you won't find any. Better yet, contact them and ask them for a complete bibliography of their research published in referee or peer review journals. You should contact any comapany selling nutritional products and ask them for a complete bibliography. EAS, TwinLabs and several others told me years back that they didn't do this because the FDA didn't require them to. I asked, "then how do I know they work". EAS said, "trust me it works". This doesn't cut it for me as my wife has a background in science. Human Genetics with emphasis on protein synthesis and cell signalling. Her research was published while working at the National Cancer Institute in Frederick, MD. Her research on Lynn was a breakthrough in cancer research. I've absorbed a great deal of knowledge from her. I have no problem answering these types of questions. I'm not spamming and I'm not selling anything. I'm just trying to post truthful facts and not just, "this worked for me". Double blind studies don't lie, but the mind can fool you into thinking a product works.
Total BS. Shaklee did NOT invest 250 million in research of their sports drink. Gatorade publishes that many papers every month and all of their research dollars go directly to studying their drinks.

You're also wrong about eating during exercise. You've obviously never seen the carbo gels either.
 
Waimea_Boy said:
Total BS. Shaklee did NOT invest 250 million in research of their sports drink. Gatorade publishes that many papers every month and all of their research dollars go directly to studying their drinks.

You're also wrong about eating during exercise. You've obviously never seen the carbo gels either.

If you read carefully, I said 250 million in research on their nutritional products, not just their sports drink. To my knowledge Gatorade has never published any research in peer review or refereed journals. Like I said, you can contact them and post their references here. I'm quite sure you won't find any. All of Gatorades money goes into advertising not research. Shaklee also owns and operates 2 of the largest most advanced nutritional research facilities is the world. Their delivery system for nutritional supplements is so well regarded that many Pharmaceutical companies use their patented delivery system for medications. Pharmaceutical companies such as Glaxo-SmithKline and Yamanouchi. Seriously, call or write EAS or TwinLabs or whomever and ask them for a complete bibliography of their research that has been published in referee or peer review journals. Also state that this research must be written by their staff on the products they market. I'm very certain you will find they will never respond to an email or letter and will blow you off if you call. Then try the same thing with Shaklee. Luckily for me, my wife can pull up this research from the National Institutes of Health's library.
 
Gatorade has published hundreds of articles in peer-reviewed journals. They have many doctors on staff at their performance labs who publish studies. Just search Medline with their names and you'll find them. They're not listed under the keyword "Gatorade."

Shaklee/Amway/whatever isn't too impressive. You sound like you've been brainwashed by their pyramid marketing BS.
 
MonkeyPox said:
This whole thread sounds like a commercial. Boo!
Agreed. The guy pushing that Shaklee ****e is annoying. I only brought up Gatorade to blow up his BS argument about them not doing any research. Sounds like another pyramid marketer fishing for suckers to sell to.
 
Again, please post a link to published research on Gatorade. I don't doubt they have a few Phd's on their staff and I don't doubt that those Phd's have published articles in the past on different subject matter. I don't believe they have published much if any research on Gatorade. Gatorade is a brainwashing to the public. They show all these fantastic athletes drinking it, they put their logo's everywhere in sports events to brainwash the public. Again, please post a link to Gatorade research. Shaklee has only published a tad over 100 research papers in their 55+ years of business and their are the largest nutritional supplement company in the world. If you can find over a hundred Gatorade published research, I'll buy you all your tennis gear and Gatorade supply for the rest of your life. Please post the research. With regard to selling the stuff, have I asked anyone to buy anything from me? No, I haven't. My wife and I make over 200k a year. She works at the U.S. Patent and Trademark office as a Patent Examiner and she does have her PhD. As stated above she works mainly on Biology and more specifically Genetic patents that deal with Proteins and cell signaling, along with a host of other highly specific science with regard disease research. I myself am a Global Network Engineer. I don't have a need to sell nutritional supplements, but I do my homework very thoroughly and base all my decisions on research and not Shannon Sharpe or whatever athlete telling me the EAS is the best stuff. I took the time to call these companies and ask for their research and after dancing around the issue just flat out said they didn't have any published because the FDA doesn't require it. Don't believe, me? Call them yourself.

Here is a complete bibliography of research:

http://www.shaklee.com/main/aboutSciencePR

Want more fuel to the fire? Shaklee was also the official nutritional consultants for the Mens US swim team and US Ski teams. Both teams asked Shaklee nutritionists to work with them to devise proper nutritional support for them. Coincidentally in their respective years of competition, they won more events than any previous years. Does Gatorade or any other company have this on their resumes?

Hmmm, Shaklee also conducts research at Yale, Harvard, Georgetown Medical School, Scripps and Stanford Medical School. As a matter of fact, Shaklee sought out the leading researcher in the world to help with the product Performance. He worked at Yale. I don't have know his name at the time of this posting. NASA's doctors were also involved in the creation of the product. It wasn't originally created for sale to the public but for the Daedulus project. Daedulus set a world record for human powered which still stands today and yes, they tried Gatorade for fluid replenishment. It failed miserably. You will notice the NASA publications below.

Vascular Uptake of Rehydration Fluids in Hypohydrated Men at Rest and Exercise. Greenleaf, Geelen, Jackson et al. NASA Technical Memorandum 1992:1039-42.

Hypervolemia in Men from Drinking Hyperhydration Fluids at Rest and During Exercise. Greenleaf, Looft-Wilson,Wisherd et al. NASA Technical Memorandum 1994:46-57.

Drink Composition and Cycle-Ergometer Endurance in Men: Carbohydrate, Na+, Osmolality. Greenleaf, Looft-Wilson, Wisherd et al. NASA Technical Memorandum 1994:46-50.
 
Take your Shaklee pyramid marketing BS somewhere else. The company is ****e and so are their products.

I told you how to find all of the articles published by the researchers at the Gatorade Institute, but you seem to be having trouble reading and comprehending.
 
Waimea_Boy said:
Take your Shaklee pyramid marketing BS somewhere else. The company is ****e and so are their products.

I told you how to find all of the articles published by the researchers at the Gatorade Institute, but you seem to be having trouble reading and comprehending.

I guess I must be a little crazy because I can’t seem to find any. Please post a link to all this research that’s so easy to find. I think it’s kinda funny that you are challenging the integrity of a company who has won so many awards for their environmental leadership. I guess The Journal of The American Medical Association and The Journal of The American Dietetic Association, etc. must feel stupid for accepting and publishing research from Shaklee. Notice the United States EPA also recognized Shaklee for their environmental leadership by giving them their highest award.

Dude you are way out of your league with regard to nutrition. I would stick with tennis where you seem to have a decent grasp on what you are talking about.
 
Here is a chronilogical list of environmental awards:

"In 2000, Shaklee U.S. became the first company to receive official Climate Neutral Certification. This means we have not only painstakingly determined the CO2 "footprint" of our operations, but that we have also invested in proactive external offset projects to zero out our global climate impact. Learn more about Climate Neutral."

2003 National Association of Environmental Professionals (NAEP) National Environmental Excellence Award, Environmental Stewardship category
2002 Environmental Stewardship (International) Award from Social Accountability International
2002 Facility of the Year Award from the Environmental Protection Magazine
US EPA 2002 International Climate Protection Award
California Council for Environmental and Economic Balance (CCEEB) - Edmund G. "Pat" Brown Award for 2001
2001 Governor's Environmental and Economic Leadership Award - Certificate of Recognition for the California Environmental Protection Agency
Earth Day 2000 New York - Environmental Business Leadership Award
Bay Area Action/Peninsula Conservation Center Foundation, 2000 Business Environmental Award
Family Circle magazine, 1990 Green Chip Award: one of the nation's ten most environmentally conscious companies
 
LafayetteHitter said:
Sounds like a Shaklee employee to me. I'll stay away from the stuff after reading the negativity like this.

Very funny. No I'm not an employee or have any ties to the company other than a customer. The negativity isn't coming from me. I'm just defending my knowledge on this subject which I happen to be very well versed. I'm just as passionate about my home theater knowledge as well as many other things. I don't do things half as*. I research the crap out of stuff I buy. I believe it's called being anal:)
 
Waimea_Boy said:
Good call. Mr. ****elee seemed to have trouble finding this site too: http://www.gssiweb.com/ So much for not doing things half as* ROTFLMAO

I don't quite understand why we need to stoop to personal attacks and would like to be treated with maturity.

Good find. That's all I wanted. 5 of them were published in referee/peer review journals and very good ones at that. The 2 remaining were good research, but they weren't published in referee journals, but rather another type of publication that isn't as well respected. Non the less, they were good write ups. I guess I won't have to buy you the tennis gear, Gatorade or the car:) As you should now be able to see, it's quite hard for companies to publish research. Gatorade has been in the market place for some time and they only have 5 research articles published in referee journals. I hope you can now see the validity of Shaklee publishing over 100 of them in many different areas of nutrition.

I wouldn't consider that half as*. Performance still has almost twice as much published research in it's corner.
 
When I was growing up in Dallas in the '70s, Shaklee was huge and it was very cultish. Sort of like Herbalife in the '80s. Something very creepy about those sorts of Amway-ish companies. Don't drink their kool-aid products if they make any, you won't live to tell the story.
 
MonkeyPox said:
When I was growing up in Dallas in the '70s, Shaklee was huge and it was very cultish. Sort of like Herbalife in the '80s. Something very creepy about those sorts of Amway-ish companies. Don't drink their kool-aid products if they make any, you won't live to tell the story.


From what I've seen the only reason people say "cultish" is because people love the products. I've never gone to any meetings, nobodies ever pushed me to sell anything.

More importantly, I would challenge anyone to find any credible negative attributes to their integrity. I've tried and can't find anywhere where they have ever been sued for wrong doing or anything of the sort. Years ago, one of the Oprah type shows had the Better Busines Burea on along with all the Multi Level companies like Shaklee, Amway, Mary Kay, Avon, etc. They tore all of them down piece by piece. They used Shaklee as the model for integrity. Plus you can't blame the company itself if there are a couple of bad apples. There is always going to be someone that's not truthful that wants to make a quick buck. This happens in all businesses. I assure you that Proctor Gamble, Gatorade, Wal-Mart, etc. aren't exactly church going companies. The research on the products however speaks for itself. Regardless of the people who sell the stuff, the products are top notch. I order my stuff directly from the website and have never received a call, or any other literature trying to get me to sell the stuff. I've been using the products for about 12 years. So at least my experience has been pleasant.

Isn't high school football a cult in Texas too? :mrgreen:
 
Guys, why are you so hard on Virus? And all these ad hominem attacks! First of all he has a right to his own opinion. And second, his argumentation seems sound (without going and checking all the research sites). I don't know his product and I don't like Gatorade much either. In Europe, they sell Powerade which seems very similar to it. But the best by far in my opinion is Isostar, a truly isotonic product that uses much less sugar (though still a good amount).
 
Virus just give me a simple link showing me an acedemic/medical journal saying SIMPLY and EXPLICITLY that Shaklee's sports drink is the best in the world for athletes. This should be stated clearly in the TITLE of the journal article. I've never heard of the medical/acedemic community endorsing ANY sports drink as being the the BEST for athletic perfomance.

And if the scientific community has, in fact, adopted this position, then I am amazed that this drink doesn't have a complete monopoly on pro/college athletes around the world. Every pro and college athlete around the world should be desperately grabbing this stuff. But the last I looked, pro basketball/ football players weren't using Shaklee stuff in their games/training.
 
troytennisbum said:
Virus just give me a simple link showing me an acedemic/medical journal saying SIMPLY and EXPLICITLY that Shaklee's sports drink is the best in the world for athletes. This should be stated clearly in the TITLE of the journal article. I've never heard of the medical/acedemic community endorsing ANY sports drink as being the the BEST for athletic perfomance.

And if the scientific community has, in fact, adopted this position, then I am amazed that this drink doesn't have a complete monopoly on pro/college athletes around the world. Every pro and college athlete around the world should be desperately grabbing this stuff. But the last I looked, pro basketball/ football players weren't using Shaklee stuff in their games/training.

I was stating my opinion when "the best in the world" post was written. No where on Shaklee's site or in any of there literature will you find any sort of hype about any products. I guess that's another reason I like their stuff. It's absolutely free of sales hype of any sort and they rely on the fact that the research shows it does what it claims to do. You'll notice with alot of companies they hype the product to be some sort of miracle with secret ingredients that'll make you perform like your on steroids. I don't believe I said anywhere that it was some sort of miracle cure for anything. I was simply stating my opinion and showed supporting materials showing they were good products. Next thing you know I'm getting attacked for no real reason. Like I mentioned before, I'm just as pationate about other interests of mine. Home theater, car products and all sorts of things. I gather as much information as I can about any given subject and make my decision based on the information I receive. That was originally why I came to this forum. I've been away from tennis for a while and was having a hard time deciding on new gear, so I wanted to gather information. The information gathered hear and other sites pointed me to the right racquet and strings to demo and fortunately I made the right choices thanks to everyones help. I was merely trying to help someone on a subject that I happen to know a tremendous amount of information about. I apologize if anyone thought otherwise, but after looking through my posts, it just looks like the attacks started for no apparent reason other than anothers misunderstanding.
 
With regard to pro athletes, your not going to see many people throw a free endorsement your way. The only people taughting any supplement are those athletes getting paid to endorse a companies products. I mentioned in another post that Shaklee was heavily involved in the Olympics since 1984 when the US Olympic Ski team hired them to help with nutritional support, ie what to eat and when along with supplementation where necessary. Since then they have worked with US Mens swim teams, US womens soccer teams and mens and womans track and field. I saw Don Shula give an interview one time and he mentioned some of Shaklee's products being used by the whole team and numerous other Athletes have mentioned Shaklee supplements from time to time. Until the last few years Shaklee had one of the top cycling teams in the world and 5 people from both mens and womans cycling teams were on the 2000 Olympic teams. The company won't pay anyone for endorsements.
 
i go half h2o, half gatorade too, but for a different reason. i used to drink a 64 oz bottle of gatorade every day for years and i messed up my kidneys pretty bad cuz uv all uv the sugar, i got bak pains and sick and my body was poisoning itself since my kidneys could not flush out the bad stuff so now i only drink about 1 32 oz bottle every few days or so with just as much water so be careful out there
 
Give him a break already. I definitely believe he's connected with Shaklee, and lists every award or achievement made as well as an entire ad on the subject, he's not trying to insult anyone.

If you don't like Shaklee much, that's fine, but no need to start disliking the guy as well.
 
All Court, thank you. All I have is my word and since no one here knows me on a personal level, trust just can't be achieved on an internet forum. I've already stated many times that my only connection with Shaklee is that I'm a customer that buys their products and nothing more. I purchase the stuff for family and friends who want stuff so that they don't have to pay the membership fee to get the stuff at member cost and that's as far as it goes. My wife and I make a very comfortable living as posted earlier. With 2 children ages 3 and 1, I would rather enjoy my free time with them rather than spend it trying to start a business in selling supplements.

Here is the only proof I can offer to support that I don't sell anything. It's a list of people in my city, state and zip code that do sell stuff. My name is Shawn and you can clearly see that my name doesn't appear as a distributor.

http://www.shaklee.net/public/search
 
my friends, i need major help

so monday to friday, i jog for 30 mins on 6.1 speed, then mwf, i lift weights too, how come i dont lose fatty weight anymore, what should i do to lose 25 more pounds, pls, major help help help
 
mido said:
Many pros are drinking POS3, sports rehydration drink.
Gatorade seems to have too much sugar.

Gatorades sugar content isn't very much at all and is well within what research has shown to be the best ratio of carbohydrates.
 
I was talking to a friend of mine who is a researcher in sports enhancement stuff (ie. nutrition & equipment stuff.....she does stuff like make theories on the full-bodysuit swimsuits etc). She said that the correct ratio of sports drink:water in sport is 1:2.
 
K!ck5w3rvE said:
I was talking to a friend of mine who is a researcher in sports enhancement stuff (ie. nutrition & equipment stuff.....she does stuff like make theories on the full-bodysuit swimsuits etc). She said that the correct ratio of sports drink:water in sport is 1:2.
Bad advice. Tell her to do some research on hyponatremia. Trying to give blanket statements like that without knowing the individual athlete's sweat rate, electrolyte content and caloric demands is foolish.
 
Waimea_Boy said:
Bad advice. Tell her to do some research on hyponatremia. Trying to give blanket statements like that without knowing the individual athlete's sweat rate, electrolyte content and caloric demands is foolish.

Waimea Boy, good advice. You can make a sports drink that has the perfect ratios of ingredients, what you can't predict is how much each individual needs of that drink. Way too many variables.
 
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