Interesting Article "Why I Don’t Like to See Nadal At #1"

Blade0324

Hall of Fame
As said a terrible article that really says nothing. Saying that Nole, Murray, Fed miss too many short balls may be true but perhaps that is because Nadal put so much pressure on them to hit such a perfect shot otherwise he will get to it. Also if players are in the more offensive position on the court and go for an offensive shot and miss you say that's a good miss. I say it's a bad miss and a wasted opportunity. Missing balls going for offensive shots usually means you are going for too much. Better to hit a shot that is not quite as good but in and draw a weaker reply to then finish the point. That is called point construction. THis is something Nadal does very well and others are not right now. They are not able to take control of the point often enough and thus have to go for a winner, resulting in a miss. If you are in control of the point and court position and miss that is your bad for wasting an opportunity. Nadal makes the most of these opportunities while other top players are not really doing so at the moment. Basically you can make that stupid article say anything you want if your looking hard enough.
I've wasted enough time with this now.
 

Blade0324

Hall of Fame
You can say what you want.. that this is a terrible article, etc.. but the truth is that there are a lot of people out there that hate nadal's style.. and understand perfectly what the writer said. I'm one of them.

The article does not say that nadal doesnt deserve to be there.. it's just the way he plays what is horrible to watch. And I suffer a lot when I see the other player trying to hit with a lot of pace and then he just runs and hits a spinned ball that is a very safe shot.
So basically you would rather lose swinging for the fences then win. Ok you're a quality player. :roll:
 

Pirao

Semi-Pro
You can say what you want.. that this is a terrible article, etc.. but the truth is that there are a lot of people out there that hate nadal's style.. and understand perfectly what the writer said. I'm one of them.

The article does not say that nadal doesnt deserve to be there.. it's just the way he plays what is horrible to watch. And I suffer a lot when I see the other player trying to hit with a lot of pace and then he just runs and hits a spinned ball that is a very safe shot.
You may hate Nadal's style, like we care... That article is a piece of **** because it says Djokovic was outplaying Nadal, that Nadal makes his opponent's beat themselves, etc... How many winners did Djokovic and Nadal have in their Rome final? How many of those "unforced errors" from Djokovic were actually forced by Nadal? That writer is a biased moron, as are you.
 

Pwned

Hall of Fame
You may hate Nadal's style, like we care... That article is a piece of **** because it says Djokovic was outplaying Nadal, that Nadal makes his opponent's beat themselves, etc... How many winners did Djokovic and Nadal have in their Rome final? How many of those "unforced errors" from Djokovic were actually forced by Nadal? That writer is a biased moron, as are you.
That is describing 95% of this forum.
 

TBobLP

Rookie
stupid article. it's funny that tennis seems to be the only sport i've ever played that is this unwelcoming of outsiders, and it's spewing crap like this that helps purport that idea. even if i took a moment to humor his analysis (i watched that entire match, and specifically neither of the two were "on" throughout it), you're telling me you can justify your bias against nadal's play with ONE TIEBREAKER? alright, how about i justify his play the verdasco match at AO? what then?

IF HE ISN'T THE BEST PLAYER, HE WOULDN'T BE WINNING. The author goes on and on trying to use "logic" to explain his own stupidity. How much sense does that make???
 

Pirao

Semi-Pro
That is describing 95% of this forum.
Nah, there are not that many. There are only a handful of really irritating posters, most people, be them Nadal, Fed, Djoker, Murray or whoever fans are pretty level-headed. At least that's what I noticed.
 

gflyer

Professional
Nadal is the best player in the world. Period.
And he is up there because he plays the best (defensive) tennis in the world. that's what your statistics says.
And like it or not it is not an easy task.
In tennis you use your weapons to win matches, not to play "cute" tennis.
And he should be appreciated for the great athlete he is and for the great passion he puts on the court every single time he plays.
(Note: I am a Federer fan but before that I am a tennis fan)

Edit: to avid confusion, when I say defensive I mean that he is not an all-court or a S&V player.
 
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Zaragoza

Banned
Sorry but I think the article is BS and was quite possibly written by a Federer fanboy. Nadal is clearly the best player in the world at the moment. Some people don't like his style of play but they need to get over it and then get over themselves.

(Note: this post was written by someone who enjoys watching Federer infinitely more than Nadal but can accept that Nadal is at the moment world #1 for good reason.)
Exactly, just a clueless tennis fan and a Nadal hater who can't accept that Nadal evolved as a player and is playing aggressive tennis these days with great shotmaking. Nice way to make a thesis about a player based on one tie-break, hilarious. It reminds me a certain Federer fan who used to post here but disappeared in the last year. I won't waste more time with this poor aticle.
 

DavaiMarat

Professional
So to summarize then...what you're saying is 'flashier offensive players' should be No. 1. because they more fun to watch.

Last time I looked tennis was won on minimizing errors not accumulating winners. Rafael does that better they anyone hence he's #1.

I like to watch more offensive tennis (i'm a safin tennis too) but it doesn't mean Rafael isn't as a legitimate #1 as Federer, Sampras or anyone else.
 
S

Serendipitous

Guest
Nadal plays attacking tennis when has the chance.


He does it very well.


Nadal plays defense when he is pinned way back behind the baseline.


He also does it extremely well.


A combination of heavy shots, accurate placement, and strong defense make him very difficult to beat.


If Nadal pushed all the time it would be boring. The key word is "if."


Bad article. :evil:
 

TheNatural

G.O.A.T.
that sums it up. :cool:


As said a terrible article that really says nothing. Saying that Nole, Murray, Fed miss too many short balls may be true but perhaps that is because Nadal put so much pressure on them to hit such a perfect shot otherwise he will get to it. Also if players are in the more offensive position on the court and go for an offensive shot and miss you say that's a good miss. I say it's a bad miss and a wasted opportunity. Missing balls going for offensive shots usually means you are going for too much. Better to hit a shot that is not quite as good but in and draw a weaker reply to then finish the point. That is called point construction. THis is something Nadal does very well and others are not right now. They are not able to take control of the point often enough and thus have to go for a winner, resulting in a miss. If you are in control of the point and court position and miss that is your bad for wasting an opportunity. Nadal makes the most of these opportunities while other top players are not really doing so at the moment. Basically you can make that stupid article say anything you want if your looking hard enough.
I've wasted enough time with this now.
 

gj011

Banned
So to summarize then...what you're saying is 'flashier offensive players' should be No. 1. because they more fun to watch.

Last time I looked tennis was won on minimizing errors not accumulating winners. Rafael does that better they anyone hence he's #1.

I like to watch more offensive tennis (i'm a safin tennis too) but it doesn't mean Rafael isn't as a legitimate #1 as Federer, Sampras or anyone else.
I guess according to the OP and author, the ATP should appoint a panel of judges for each match and award points for the "presentation", like they do in Figure Skating.

Federer:
5.9 6.0 6.0 5.9 6.0 5.7 (the last one is from Spain)

Nadal:
5.1 5.3 5.2 5.0 5.1 5.5
 

Cindysphinx

G.O.A.T.
Hang on.

Wasn't this the match where Djokovic went all drop-shot happy at the end of the tiebreak? He just kept trying it and trying it, but was missing.

Maybe Nadal beats people because he is mentally tougher and/or less stupid.
 

Cyan

Hall of Fame
Do I like to see a player like that at the #1 spot?... no, I dont like that at all.
Baloney. You are nothing but a bitter *******. Fed will never be number one again. As a matter of fact, he will finish the year as number 4. Deal with it. :rolleyes:
 

thehustler

Semi-Pro
To me there's nothing more satisfying that making an opponent beat themselves. There is something great about it. However the only way you make an opponent beat themselves is to be pretty darn good yourself. There are no style points last I checked. I win my matches by making my opponent beat themselves instead of trying to beat me. It works. What's so difficult about that for this guy to understand?
 

TheNatural

G.O.A.T.
It's just illogical to not be entertained by Nadal's style and to hate intelligent strategy, point construction and intelligent shot selection, and an excellent blend of defense and devastating offense.

Anyone who doesn't appreciate Nadal's game is just blindly missing a lot of intelligent strategy and point construction and does not really understand the game.

You can say what you want.. that this is a terrible article, etc.. but the truth is that there are a lot of people out there that hate nadal's style.. and understand perfectly what the writer said. I'm one of them.

The article does not say that nadal doesnt deserve to be there.. it's just the way he plays what is horrible to watch. And I suffer a lot when I see the other player trying to hit with a lot of pace and then he just runs and hits a spinned ball that is a very safe shot.
 

tacou

G.O.A.T.
this is not new this is the same thing. if all nadal does is neutralize shouldn't Simon be #2? on clay its different but he's still much more aggressive than his detractors will admit
 

amx13

Semi-Pro
Baloney. You are nothing but a bitter *******. Fed will never be number one again. As a matter of fact, he will finish the year as number 4. Deal with it. :rolleyes:
I still dont get why Nadal fans get so defensive when someone states that Nadal`s style is boring to watch. Plus, not liking Nadal´s game does not mean you are a Federer fanboy.

I guess a lot of people have got the article in the wrong way, it was supposed to talk about playing style, not if the guy deserves to be #1 or not. I dont see why Nadal fans can get offended by that.
 

amx13

Semi-Pro
LOL. Interesting that you appear right after the moment I called you out. I bet you would still be hiding otherwise. :roll:

Nadal "moonballing oponents to death" :shock:. Go back to your cave.

Playing style has nothing to do with the #1 ranking and saying "I like player with such and such style to be #1" is nonsense.

Also nobody cares what you or author of that junk article on top, like or don't like.
Jesus, I happen to get back to my computer and saw your post, can you forgive me for that?. Of course I dont exactly mean Nadal shots are moonballs, as I dont exactly mean that a player can get killed by playing such a shot. It was just a way of making a point... no moonball can kill a player, OK?
 

Richie Rich

Legend
The OP (and the person that wrote that article) should read Wining Ugly by Brad Gilbert. You play however you have to to win.
 

MrAWD

Semi-Pro
I for one find this article to have a lot of merit! For several years now I am wondering why I don't like the way Nadal plays and what is wrong about the picture that I dislike it this much. And I know lots of people in here do know what I am talking about.

I even tried with the comment on that above mentioned site, but I went too far and too wide and lost my compass all together! Since then I was thinking more about that and here is my final conclusion.

The main reason why I hate to watch Nadal's game is because I don't like that type of game. One of my friends that I play a lot with has decent forehand, but very weak backhand and most balls are just defensive slices one after another. Whenever I tried to play high looping top spin ball to his backhand he would suffer so much and I would win most of the points. But, I can't do that kind of game because it is lame for me to win that way! And great part of Nadal's game looks just like that!

Now, there is a huge difference between my perspective and Nadal's and that is in why we do this! For Nadal, this all job that pays big bucks and all the rest that comes from winning the games and tournaments. In order to do so, people will do whatever works and if hitting every single ball through your legs would gain most points everybody would be doing it! And, for Nadal his type of game obviously works extremely well and get him his praises! And he might even enjoy what he does and for him that is the way to do it! And all of it is just the way it should be! Asking for anything different in Nadal's case would be like asking Pete not to serve that well since most people have difficulty returning them. There is no difference for me between those two.

Now from my angle, I don't play tennis for leaving and I don't have to win all those matches to pay my bills. I play tennis because I enjoy hitting balls the right way (whatever is that for me). I enjoy hitting one handed backhand down the line or cross court even if I loose point after that. I enjoy hitting the serve well that goes in the corner where I wanted it too go regardless if my opponent returns it so well that he/she wins the point right there! Those are some of the things that make me to get out to the court and hit the balls!!

So, from that perspective, I don't like Nadal's type of game because I don't like to do that myself. and when I do some of it the way he does it, the winnings that I get from it are bitter enough to make me not to do it again! If I would have to live like a samurai and loosing of the game would mean loosing your life, I would definitely do things differently. But, that is not the case, at least for me and those are my reasons for not liking his game.

What is your reason for liking or disliking Nadal's game? How about Federer? Or anyone else? The point here is that all these guys are great athletes and we all have so much to learn from each one of them. Find out what you like and try to do it the same or even better. Recognize what you don't like from them and make sure you don't do the same. That is the best way to gain from this article or anything else around us instead of just plain calling names and unnecessary confrontations.

All the best!

Fedja
 

amx13

Semi-Pro
I for one find this article to have a lot of merit! For several years now I am wondering why I don't like the way Nadal plays and what is wrong about the picture that I dislike it this much. And I know lots of people in here do know what I am talking about.

I even tried with the comment on that above mentioned site, but I went too far and too wide and lost my compass all together! Since then I was thinking more about that and here is my final conclusion.

The main reason why I hate to watch Nadal's game is because I don't like that type of game. One of my friends that I play a lot with has decent forehand, but very weak backhand and most balls are just defensive slices one after another. Whenever I tried to play high looping top spin ball to his backhand he would suffer so much and I would win most of the points. But, I can't do that kind of game because it is lame for me to win that way! And great part of Nadal's game looks just like that!

Now, there is a huge difference between my perspective and Nadal's and that is in why we do this! For Nadal, this all job that pays big bucks and all the rest that comes from winning the games and tournaments. In order to do so, people will do whatever works and if hitting every single ball through your legs would gain most points everybody would be doing it! And, for Nadal his type of game obviously works extremely well and get him his praises! And he might even enjoy what he does and for him that is the way to do it! And all of it is just the way it should be! Asking for anything different in Nadal's case would be like asking Pete not to serve that well since most people have difficulty returning them. There is no difference for me between those two.

Now from my angle, I don't play tennis for leaving and I don't have to win all those matches to pay my bills. I play tennis because I enjoy hitting balls the right way (whatever is that for me). I enjoy hitting one handed backhand down the line or cross court even if I loose point after that. I enjoy hitting the serve well that goes in the corner where I wanted it too go regardless if my opponent returns it so well that he/she wins the point right there! Those are some of the things that make me to get out to the court and hit the balls!!

So, from that perspective, I don't like Nadal's type of game because I don't like to do that myself. and when I do some of it the way he does it, the winnings that I get from it are bitter enough to make me not to do it again! If I would have to live like a samurai and loosing of the game would mean loosing your life, I would definitely do things differently. But, that is not the case, at least for me and those are my reasons for not liking his game.

What is your reason for liking or disliking Nadal's game? How about Federer? Or anyone else? The point here is that all these guys are great athletes and we all have so much to learn from each one of them. Find out what you like and try to do it the same or even better. Recognize what you don't like from them and make sure you don't do the same. That is the best way to gain from this article or anything else around us instead of just plain calling names and unnecessary confrontations.

All the best!

Fedja
Thanks! This was exactly what I was trying to say. I agree with you 100%.
 

vtmike

Banned
I for one find this article to have a lot of merit! For several years now I am wondering why I don't like the way Nadal plays and what is wrong about the picture that I dislike it this much. And I know lots of people in here do know what I am talking about.

I even tried with the comment on that above mentioned site, but I went too far and too wide and lost my compass all together! Since then I was thinking more about that and here is my final conclusion.

The main reason why I hate to watch Nadal's game is because I don't like that type of game. One of my friends that I play a lot with has decent forehand, but very weak backhand and most balls are just defensive slices one after another. Whenever I tried to play high looping top spin ball to his backhand he would suffer so much and I would win most of the points. But, I can't do that kind of game because it is lame for me to win that way! And great part of Nadal's game looks just like that!

Now, there is a huge difference between my perspective and Nadal's and that is in why we do this! For Nadal, this all job that pays big bucks and all the rest that comes from winning the games and tournaments. In order to do so, people will do whatever works and if hitting every single ball through your legs would gain most points everybody would be doing it! And, for Nadal his type of game obviously works extremely well and get him his praises! And he might even enjoy what he does and for him that is the way to do it! And all of it is just the way it should be! Asking for anything different in Nadal's case would be like asking Pete not to serve that well since most people have difficulty returning them. There is no difference for me between those two.

Now from my angle, I don't play tennis for leaving and I don't have to win all those matches to pay my bills. I play tennis because I enjoy hitting balls the right way (whatever is that for me). I enjoy hitting one handed backhand down the line or cross court even if I loose point after that. I enjoy hitting the serve well that goes in the corner where I wanted it too go regardless if my opponent returns it so well that he/she wins the point right there! Those are some of the things that make me to get out to the court and hit the balls!!

So, from that perspective, I don't like Nadal's type of game because I don't like to do that myself. and when I do some of it the way he does it, the winnings that I get from it are bitter enough to make me not to do it again! If I would have to live like a samurai and loosing of the game would mean loosing your life, I would definitely do things differently. But, that is not the case, at least for me and those are my reasons for not liking his game.

What is your reason for liking or disliking Nadal's game? How about Federer? Or anyone else? The point here is that all these guys are great athletes and we all have so much to learn from each one of them. Find out what you like and try to do it the same or even better. Recognize what you don't like from them and make sure you don't do the same. That is the best way to gain from this article or anything else around us instead of just plain calling names and unnecessary confrontations.

All the best!

Fedja
Very good post! I agree +1
 

TBobLP

Rookie
I for one find this article to have a lot of merit! For several years now I am wondering why I don't like the way Nadal plays and what is wrong about the picture that I dislike it this much. And I know lots of people in here do know what I am talking about.

I even tried with the comment on that above mentioned site, but I went too far and too wide and lost my compass all together! Since then I was thinking more about that and here is my final conclusion.

The main reason why I hate to watch Nadal's game is because I don't like that type of game. One of my friends that I play a lot with has decent forehand, but very weak backhand and most balls are just defensive slices one after another. Whenever I tried to play high looping top spin ball to his backhand he would suffer so much and I would win most of the points. But, I can't do that kind of game because it is lame for me to win that way! And great part of Nadal's game looks just like that!

Now, there is a huge difference between my perspective and Nadal's and that is in why we do this! For Nadal, this all job that pays big bucks and all the rest that comes from winning the games and tournaments. In order to do so, people will do whatever works and if hitting every single ball through your legs would gain most points everybody would be doing it! And, for Nadal his type of game obviously works extremely well and get him his praises! And he might even enjoy what he does and for him that is the way to do it! And all of it is just the way it should be! Asking for anything different in Nadal's case would be like asking Pete not to serve that well since most people have difficulty returning them. There is no difference for me between those two.

Now from my angle, I don't play tennis for leaving and I don't have to win all those matches to pay my bills. I play tennis because I enjoy hitting balls the right way (whatever is that for me). I enjoy hitting one handed backhand down the line or cross court even if I loose point after that. I enjoy hitting the serve well that goes in the corner where I wanted it too go regardless if my opponent returns it so well that he/she wins the point right there! Those are some of the things that make me to get out to the court and hit the balls!!

So, from that perspective, I don't like Nadal's type of game because I don't like to do that myself. and when I do some of it the way he does it, the winnings that I get from it are bitter enough to make me not to do it again! If I would have to live like a samurai and loosing of the game would mean loosing your life, I would definitely do things differently. But, that is not the case, at least for me and those are my reasons for not liking his game.

What is your reason for liking or disliking Nadal's game? How about Federer? Or anyone else? The point here is that all these guys are great athletes and we all have so much to learn from each one of them. Find out what you like and try to do it the same or even better. Recognize what you don't like from them and make sure you don't do the same. That is the best way to gain from this article or anything else around us instead of just plain calling names and unnecessary confrontations.

All the best!

Fedja
two things

one
i think most of us here are disagreeing with the assumption that nadal ISNT the best player in the world as made by the author, not that we don't like his style of play (some of us do, some of us don't)

second
to judge anybody harshly on their style of play because it's not what you do, isn't exactly "right" in my book. and this includes bashing pushers. I don't think this is what you are doing, but i just wanted to put my opinion out there if it IS what you are doing. Rafa may play differently when just playing for fun, but the whole point of being a PRO is WINNING. not having fun, WINNING.

with that said, if you're playing a social match with someone who constantly exploits your weakness just to win when youre really both there to have fun...thats another story, actually.
 

gj011

Banned
I for one find this article to have a lot of merit! For several years now I am wondering why I don't like the way Nadal plays and what is wrong about the picture that I dislike it this much. And I know lots of people in here do know what I am talking about.

I even tried with the comment on that above mentioned site, but I went too far and too wide and lost my compass all together! Since then I was thinking more about that and here is my final conclusion.

The main reason why I hate to watch Nadal's game is because I don't like that type of game. One of my friends that I play a lot with has decent forehand, but very weak backhand and most balls are just defensive slices one after another. Whenever I tried to play high looping top spin ball to his backhand he would suffer so much and I would win most of the points. But, I can't do that kind of game because it is lame for me to win that way! And great part of Nadal's game looks just like that!

Now, there is a huge difference between my perspective and Nadal's and that is in why we do this! For Nadal, this all job that pays big bucks and all the rest that comes from winning the games and tournaments. In order to do so, people will do whatever works and if hitting every single ball through your legs would gain most points everybody would be doing it! And, for Nadal his type of game obviously works extremely well and get him his praises! And he might even enjoy what he does and for him that is the way to do it! And all of it is just the way it should be! Asking for anything different in Nadal's case would be like asking Pete not to serve that well since most people have difficulty returning them. There is no difference for me between those two.

Now from my angle, I don't play tennis for leaving and I don't have to win all those matches to pay my bills. I play tennis because I enjoy hitting balls the right way (whatever is that for me). I enjoy hitting one handed backhand down the line or cross court even if I loose point after that. I enjoy hitting the serve well that goes in the corner where I wanted it too go regardless if my opponent returns it so well that he/she wins the point right there! Those are some of the things that make me to get out to the court and hit the balls!!

So, from that perspective, I don't like Nadal's type of game because I don't like to do that myself. and when I do some of it the way he does it, the winnings that I get from it are bitter enough to make me not to do it again! If I would have to live like a samurai and loosing of the game would mean loosing your life, I would definitely do things differently. But, that is not the case, at least for me and those are my reasons for not liking his game.

What is your reason for liking or disliking Nadal's game? How about Federer? Or anyone else? The point here is that all these guys are great athletes and we all have so much to learn from each one of them. Find out what you like and try to do it the same or even better. Recognize what you don't like from them and make sure you don't do the same. That is the best way to gain from this article or anything else around us instead of just plain calling names and unnecessary confrontations.

All the best!

Fedja
-1

Nice attempt to change the topic, but failed. It is very nice of you to be Mother Teresa and compassionate on the tennis court, but that has nothing to do with professional tennis.

This comment also has nothing to do with this thread and what article and OP are trying to say. What they claim is that player with Nadal's style should not be #1, which is utter garbage.
 

MrAWD

Semi-Pro
one
i think most of us here are disagreeing with the assumption that nadal ISNT the best player in the world as made by the author, not that we don't like his style of play (some of us do, some of us don't)
You see, I didn't read it that way and if you re-read the original article again you might find that he said quite opposite and that Nadal definitely deserves #1 spot! What he doesn't like is his game style!

second
to judge anybody harshly on their style of play because it's not what you do, isn't exactly "right" in my book. and this includes bashing pushers. I don't think this is what you are doing, but i just wanted to put my opinion out there if it IS what you are doing. Rafa may play differently when just playing for fun, but the whole point of being a PRO is WINNING. not having fun, WINNING.
Now again, you quoted my post and then replying as to the OP writing. If you are referring to my post (as indicated) then I have to ask you what is right thing to do here? To judge someone for something that you don't do, but lot of other people do so it has to be right! Or, to judge someone because of what YOU do regardless of what everyone else think of it?
As of the second part, you and I agree 100% and I don't get why did you post is as something opposite from what I said earlier.

with that said, if you're playing a social match with someone who constantly exploits your weakness just to win when youre really both there to have fun...thats another story, actually.
This one doesn't read right, so it is hard to reply to it in any way other then this...
I go out to play tennis because it is fun for me. It gives me great exercise and I enjoy hitting the ball the best way I can do it out there! If, my opponent plays better and exploits my weaknesses, good for him, but also good for me! If I don't like to loose because of that I could analyze what is going on and why I am loosing and then try to make it better next time. Either way, it is a win/win scenario for both of us!

Fedja

Fedja
 

MrAWD

Semi-Pro
-1

Nice attempt to change the topic, but failed. It is very nice of you to be Mother Teresa and compassionate on the tennis court, but that has nothing to do with professional tennis.

This comment also has nothing to do with this thread and what article and OP are trying to say. What they claim is that player with Nadal's style should not be #1, which is utter garbage.
If calling names is your way to participate in this is your way, I can't say much more to you from what is written above.

Fedja
 

TBobLP

Rookie
MrAWD

i have nothing against what you said and in a lot of it i agree. i am not saying that you can't dislike one thing or the other. just in a thread where the author (of the article) in question talks about rafa not being the best player right now as some dumb way of explaining his own stupidity, i can only take what you write in reaction to that. HOWEVER, your thoughts are alot closer to what this reality is...as to why most people dont like his style. youre not using that to justify saying hes not #1 or anything, please, i hope i dont come off as rude. i really am far from it.

just as long as were clear that professionals and rec players are two greatly different things, im all good here. and the attitude between players with different mindsets will decide who they like or dislike. again, i just take offense to the original author.
 

gj011

Banned
If calling names is your way to participate in this is your way, I can't say much more to you from what is written above.

Fedja
I don't see any "calling names" from my side.

All I said you missed the point and your novel above has nothing to do with what OP and junk article he quoted wanted to say.
 

amx13

Semi-Pro
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Nice attempt to change the topic, but failed. It is very nice of you to be Mother Teresa and compassionate on the tennis court, but that has nothing to do with professional tennis.

This comment also has nothing to do with this thread and what article and OP are trying to say. What they claim is that player with Nadal's style should not be #1, which is utter garbage.
I don't see any "calling names" from my side.

All I said you missed the point and your novel above has nothing to do with what OP and junk article he quoted wanted to say.
I did read some name calling from you, but thats another thing. I guess you missed the point of MrAWD post, as I think it has everything to do with the article posted and with the way some of us think about the subject.
 

gj011

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I did read some name calling from you, but thats another thing. I guess you missed the point of MrAWD post, as I think it has everything to do with the article posted and with the way some of us think about the subject.
No he is the one who missed the point. His comment has nothing to do what you and your silly article are trying to say. You are talking about "style" requirements for #1 player and he is talking about his play on the local tennis court.

Also I am quite sure your intentions are not honest and your OP post was malicious and posted to stir a fire. So you are troll in my books.
His intentions were nice, but he missed the point.
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
"Roger Federer is the perfect example of what a #1 player in the world should play like."

Quoted for truth!

No truer words have ever been uttered.
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
To me there's nothing more satisfying that making an opponent beat themselves.
Maybe satisfying for you. But boring as heck for everyone else watching.

Pro tennis is all about satisfying the spectators, not yourself. If the spectators are bored, they stop watching, and pro tennis will cease to exist. Then Nadal and all the other pros will have to go back to their real day jobs to make a living.
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
Baloney. You are nothing but a bitter *******. Fed will never be number one again. As a matter of fact, he will finish the year as number 4. Deal with it. :rolleyes:
And Nadal will always play like a sissy pusher and never garner the same respect as Federer. Deal with it. :-?
 

Safinator_1

Professional
You can say what you want.. that this is a terrible article, etc.. but the truth is that there are a lot of people out there that hate nadal's style.. and understand perfectly what the writer said. I'm one of them.

The article does not say that nadal doesnt deserve to be there.. it's just the way he plays what is horrible to watch. And I suffer a lot when I see the other player trying to hit with a lot of pace and then he just runs and hits a spinned ball that is a very safe shot.
I have a PERFECT solution for you and the author that can fix this problem without any trouble. DONT WATCH NADAL PLAY!

If you don't like watching his style then don't watch his match at all! simple!

Instead of making alot of people angry and call this article trash and the have article flamed, burnt and crisped beyond recognition go do something more productive. Honestly you and the author are just asking for trouble
 

TheNatural

G.O.A.T.
I'm looking forwards to Roland Garros. If Fed makes the final v Rafa I hope to see Rafa serve 99% of his serves to Feds backhand again and pound Fed's backhand relentlessly until Fed cries. How can you not be entertained by that:):twisted:

I for one find this article to have a lot of merit! For several years now I am wondering why I don't like the way Nadal plays and what is wrong about the picture that I dislike it this much. And I know lots of people in here do know what I am talking about.

I even tried with the comment on that above mentioned site, but I went too far and too wide and lost my compass all together! Since then I was thinking more about that and here is my final conclusion.

The main reason why I hate to watch Nadal's game is because I don't like that type of game. One of my friends that I play a lot with has decent forehand, but very weak backhand and most balls are just defensive slices one after another. Whenever I tried to play high looping top spin ball to his backhand he would suffer so much and I would win most of the points. But, I can't do that kind of game because it is lame for me to win that way! And great part of Nadal's game looks just like that!

Now, there is a huge difference between my perspective and Nadal's and that is in why we do this! For Nadal, this all job that pays big bucks and all the rest that comes from winning the games and tournaments. In order to do so, people will do whatever works and if hitting every single ball through your legs would gain most points everybody would be doing it! And, for Nadal his type of game obviously works extremely well and get him his praises! And he might even enjoy what he does and for him that is the way to do it! And all of it is just the way it should be! Asking for anything different in Nadal's case would be like asking Pete not to serve that well since most people have difficulty returning them. There is no difference for me between those two.

Now from my angle, I don't play tennis for leaving and I don't have to win all those matches to pay my bills. I play tennis because I enjoy hitting balls the right way (whatever is that for me). I enjoy hitting one handed backhand down the line or cross court even if I loose point after that. I enjoy hitting the serve well that goes in the corner where I wanted it too go regardless if my opponent returns it so well that he/she wins the point right there! Those are some of the things that make me to get out to the court and hit the balls!!

So, from that perspective, I don't like Nadal's type of game because I don't like to do that myself. and when I do some of it the way he does it, the winnings that I get from it are bitter enough to make me not to do it again! If I would have to live like a samurai and loosing of the game would mean loosing your life, I would definitely do things differently. But, that is not the case, at least for me and those are my reasons for not liking his game.

What is your reason for liking or disliking Nadal's game? How about Federer? Or anyone else? The point here is that all these guys are great athletes and we all have so much to learn from each one of them. Find out what you like and try to do it the same or even better. Recognize what you don't like from them and make sure you don't do the same. That is the best way to gain from this article or anything else around us instead of just plain calling names and unnecessary confrontations.

All the best!

Fedja
 

Bud

Bionic Poster
To me there's nothing more satisfying that making an opponent beat themselves. There is something great about it. However the only way you make an opponent beat themselves is to be pretty darn good yourself. There are no style points last I checked. I win my matches by making my opponent beat themselves instead of trying to beat me. It works. What's so difficult about that for this guy to understand?
Maybe satisfying for you. But boring as heck for everyone else watching.

Pro tennis is all about satisfying the spectators, not yourself. If the spectators are bored, they stop watching, and pro tennis will cease to exist. Then Nadal and all the other pros will have to go back to their real day jobs to make a living.
Federer's style of play is monumentally more bland than Nadal's. Nadal and his opponents often produce nail-biting rallies ending with huge roars of crowd approval as the point is ended via brilliant shot by Nadal or his opponent.

The entertainment value of a Nadal match is twice that of any Federer match... past or present.

The only thing exciting about a current Federer match (assuming he's not playing Nadal) is anticipating the mental meltdown and the accompanying shock from bloggers and the press.



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