Interesting comment about UTR

[manwithtwofirstnames]

The only negative I see with UTR is getting an initial rating. I don’t want my daughter playing someone (kid or adult) without a verified rating (provisional) or no rating at all. Most importantly, it may be a waste of time as the opponent may be much weaker (1.00 diffence or more) than my daughter. Or she may play someone provisionally rated at her same level that beats her 6-0, 6-0 and negatively impacts her rating. Meaning the opponent should have been rated ~1.50 higher.
The reason I care about her rating is to ensure she gets highly competitive matches. She only plays UTR matches and does not play tournaments (USTA or others). This makes sure that her time is spent improving, not traveling, playing late at night or waiting around for the next match in a tournament.
She’s definitely not going to get hurt playing an adult at her UTR level. She already plays UTR matches against high school boys that serve like grown men. My wife and I have been hit with her overheads and it’s not fun.
For juniors that are local to NJ, there are 3 academies that host UTR match play every weekend and they’re awesome. Centercourt, Randolph and the Atlantic Club. Most that play have a verified rating and they range from 9 years old through college.

 

[BallBag]

The only negative I see with UTR is getting an initial rating. I don’t want my daughter playing someone (kid or adult) without a verified rating (provisional) or no rating at all. Most importantly, it may be a waste of time as the opponent may be much weaker (1.00 diffence or more) than my daughter. Or she may play someone provisionally rated at her same level that beats her 6-0, 6-0 and negatively impacts her rating. Meaning the opponent should have been rated ~1.50 higher.
The reason I care about her rating is to ensure she gets highly competitive matches. She only plays UTR matches and does not play tournaments (USTA or others). This makes sure that her time is spent improving, not traveling, playing late at night or waiting around for the next match in a tournament.
She’s definitely not going to get hurt playing an adult at her UTR level. She already plays UTR matches against high school boys that serve like grown men. My wife and I have been hit with her overheads and it’s not fun.
For juniors that are local to NJ, there are 3 academies that host UTR match play every weekend and they’re awesome. Centercourt, Randolph and the Atlantic Club. Most that play have a verified rating and they range from 9 years old through college.

Her rating will not be impacted if she gets bageled by someone without a rating. UTR assigned less weight to results from unverified ratings and one sided matches.

 

[giantschwinn]

Do you guys find adults utr 7 or 8 not as good as junior 7 or 8s? In my area, I think adults are overrated by 1.5 points. For UTR to really work, juniors have to play adults. If juniors only play with juniors and adults only play with adults, the ratings can diverge.

 

[schmke]

Do you guys find adults utr 7 or 8 not as good as junior 7 or 8s? In my area, I think adults are overrated by 1.5 points. For UTR to really work, juniors have to play adults. If juniors only play with juniors and adults only play with adults, the ratings can diverge.

You are right about lack of play between groups leading to divergence, but in my area, the divergence seems to be the reverse of what you are seeing, adult UTRs seem to be suppressed and lower than they should be. But UTRs also seem to vary a fair amount with no play so how out of whack it appears varies day to day.

 

[S&V-not_dead_yet]

Do you guys find adults utr 7 or 8 not as good as junior 7 or 8s? In my area, I think adults are overrated by 1.5 points. For UTR to really work, juniors have to play adults. If juniors only play with juniors and adults only play with adults, the ratings can diverge.

In my admittedly limited experience, I find it to be the opposite: juniors are overrated maybe by 0.5 - 1.0 points.

But I agree that in order for UTR to truly be universal, there must be a lot of play among the different groups.