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[Grapplesnake USA Official]

Hello! ...one question, perhaps can give me som more informations to the stiffness of M8, TS, ExcellentPurple+ and Gamchanger (Silver) ...
How would you compare the stiffness of them? perhaps in comparison to Isospeed Cream (MSV Swift) or Signum Pro X-Perience or MSV Hex +25/+38 ?
... sorry for my question, but I didn't found any good informations in comparison about it.

or where would find the new string its place in your list?
Liquid (softest) - Irukandji - Liquid Neon Dust - Alpha - Cube - Tour M8 - Game Changer - Tour Sniper - Excellent Purple - CES Neon Dust - Cube Extra Sharp (firmest)

Thanx from austria - greetings eddy.spageddi.patero

This is the updated/revised list. I know this can be subjective and pretty much my own opinion based on actual feel during play.

* means that these strings are part of a hybrid.

Thanks a bunch!

Liquid (softest)* - Liquid Neon Dust* - Alpha - Paradox Pro - Tour M8 - Irukandji - Game Changer - Tour Sniper - Cube - Excellent Purple - CES Neon Dust* - Cube Extra Sharp (firmest)*

 

[eddi.spageddi.patero]

Hi! Thank you for your fast answer! ... stands Excellent Purple also for the new excellent Purple+ ? ... I think I heard, that the plus-version is much softer than the old one?

greetings ESP

 

[Grapplesnake USA Official]

Hi! Thank you for your fast answer! ... stands Excellent Purple also for the new excellent Purple+ ? ... I think I heard, that the plus-version is much softer than the old one?

greetings ESP

As far as I understand, the difference is the shape only. The raw material isn’t new and was available from older production. However, it could have been modified for added softness. This is a standalone project from the man who runs the European website, not from “headquarters” in Germany, so I don’t really know precisely. Wish I could give you a better answer.

 

[NotHeavenToast]

The latest estimation (I added Game Changer silver) is:

* These strings are part of a hybrid
_ These strings are European projects

Liquid* (softest) - Irukandji* - Irukandji 2.0* - Liquid Neon Dust* - Alpha - Cube - Tour M8 - Game Changer - Game Changer (silver) - Tour Sniper - Excellent Purple Plus - Estess Pro - Excellent Purple - CES Neon Dust* - Cube Extra Sharp* (firmest)

Pure speculation with the help of the average static stiffness measurements from Racketpedia:

MSV Focus Hex® Plus 38 (0,55 kg/mm) is probably close to Liquid*, Irukandji* or Irukandji 2.0*.
Isospeed Cream (0,68 kg/mm) and MSV Focus Hex® Plus 25 (0,68 kg/mm) are maybe around Liquid Neon Dust* or Alpha.
MSV Swift (1,00 kg/mm) could be between Cube, Tour M8 or Game Changer (silver).
Signum Pro X-perience (1,07 kg/mm) may be similiar to Tour Sniper, Excellent Purple Plus or Estess Pro.

I previously did only play once with one of these strings in a poly-poly-hybrid (mains / crosses) of MSV Focus Hex® (1,23 mm) [white] {25 kg} / MSV Focus Hex® Plus 25 (1,25 mm) [black] {24 kg} so take all my guesses with a grain of salt.

 

[eddi.spageddi.patero]

Hi! thank you for all your thoughts and answers
@ NotHeavenToast: your thoughts are quite interesting

... i spoke today with grapplesnake-europe and will order some sets of Alpha, Tour M8, Excellent Purple Plus, eventually Liquid (but Liquid will end - so I'm not sure to test a string, that will no be available in future anymore )
... and the new Paradox will follow next week

greetings ESP!

 

[robycat]

The latest estimation (I added Game Changer silver) is:

* These strings are part of a hybrid
_ These strings are European projects

Liquid* (softest) - Irukandji* - Irukandji 2.0* - Liquid Neon Dust* - Alpha - Cube - Tour M8 - Game Changer - Game Changer (silver) - Tour Sniper - Excellent Purple Plus - Estess Pro - Excellent Purple - CES Neon Dust* - Cube Extra Sharp* (firmest)

Pure speculation with the help of the average static stiffness measurements from Racketpedia:

MSV Focus Hex® Plus 38 (0,55 kg/mm) is probably close to Liquid*, Irukandji* or Irukandji 2.0*.
Isospeed Cream (0,68 kg/mm) and MSV Focus Hex® Plus 25 (0,68 kg/mm) are maybe around Liquid Neon Dust* or Alpha.
MSV Swift (1,00 kg/mm) could be between Cube, Tour M8 or Game Changer (silver).
Signum Pro X-perience (1,07 kg/mm) may be similiar to Tour Sniper, Excellent Purple Plus or Estess Pro.

I previously did only play once with one of these strings in a poly-poly-hybrid (mains / crosses) of MSV Focus Hex® (1,23 mm) [white] {25 kg} / MSV Focus Hex® Plus 25 (1,25 mm) [black] {24 kg} so take all my guesses with a grain of salt.

I personally feel MSV Swift is very similar to Cream (I think people in the MSV Swift thread have the same feel). Maybe replace Swift with Hyper G is a better example.

 

[Carreau]

The latest estimation (I added Game Changer silver) is:

* These strings are part of a hybrid
_ These strings are European projects

Liquid* (softest) - Irukandji* - Irukandji 2.0* - Liquid Neon Dust* - Alpha - Cube - Tour M8 - Game Changer - Game Changer (silver) - Tour Sniper - Excellent Purple Plus - Estess Pro - Excellent Purple - CES Neon Dust* - Cube Extra Sharp* (firmest)

Pure speculation with the help of the average static stiffness measurements from Racketpedia:

MSV Focus Hex® Plus 38 (0,55 kg/mm) is probably close to Liquid*, Irukandji* or Irukandji 2.0*.
Isospeed Cream (0,68 kg/mm) and MSV Focus Hex® Plus 25 (0,68 kg/mm) are maybe around Liquid Neon Dust* or Alpha.
MSV Swift (1,00 kg/mm) could be between Cube, Tour M8 or Game Changer (silver).
Signum Pro X-perience (1,07 kg/mm) may be similiar to Tour Sniper, Excellent Purple Plus or Estess Pro.

I previously did only play once with one of these strings in a poly-poly-hybrid (mains / crosses) of MSV Focus Hex® (1,23 mm) [white] {25 kg} / MSV Focus Hex® Plus 25 (1,25 mm) [black] {24 kg} so take all my guesses with a grain of salt.

Signum Pro X-perience is not similar to TS, IMO and experience.

 

[NotHeavenToast]

I forgot Paradox Pro and it seems that Cube is firmer. So there is another updated list:

* These strings are part of a hybrid
_ These strings are European projects

Liquid* (softest) - Irukandji* - Irukandji 2.0* - Liquid Neon Dust* - Alpha - Paradox Pro - Tour M8 - Game Changer - Game Changer (silver) - Tour Sniper - Cube - Excellent Purple Plus - Estess Pro - Excellent Purple - CES Neon Dust* - Cube Extra Sharp* (firmest)

This list is just an estimation as there are no official stiffness numbers for them and the comparison to the other strings is only considering the stiffness numbers of the other strings from Racketpedia. Playability and other characteristics are not considered as they are subjective and can be influenced by different cirrcumstances (weather, daily condition, structure of the string, wear of the string, ...).

MSV Swift 16L (1,25 mm) [1,00 kg/mm] and Solinco Hyper-G 17 (1,20 mm) [1,00 kg/mm] are actually equally stiff.

 

[fnick851]

@Grapplesnake USA Official It seems like you deleted the Paradox Pro tracking and release message? Is it delayed?

 

[Aestheticsaboveallelse]

@Grapplesnake USA Official It seems like you deleted the Paradox Pro tracking and release message? Is it delayed?

Users can't delete their own posts on this forum

 

[Grapplesnake USA Official]

@Grapplesnake USA Official It seems like you deleted the Paradox Pro tracking and release message? Is it delayed?

Weird. TW probably did, but I am not sure why. We're on track.

 

[fnick851]

Weird. TW probably did, but I am not sure why. We're on track.

Great! Yeah it's weird that post is gone.

 

[robycat]

@Grapplesnake USA Official Have you ever tried to hybrid Paradox Pro with any string?

Based on @YonexEnjoyer's review, Paradox Pro is a powerful, spin friendly and soft string, so I am also thinking maybe hybrid it with a not-so-powerful, smooth and soft string. One string on the top of my head is Ghostwire, but maybe Irukandji and Liquid are also good choices? How do you think or do you expect them to perform if you haven't tried.

Thanks!

 

[cjviva]

@Grapplesnake USA Official Just got my sets of paradox earlier than expected! What's a reference tension I should start with on my 2023 vcore 95. Previously was using tour m8 at 44, alu/firestorm/poly tour rev around 48.

Best

 

[ThisHockeyTalk]

The good: Ordered a reel of Paradox Pro

the Bad: Came down with the bichVid as soon as I clicked “confirm”.

The Ugly: Well, just me, I’m ugly.

 

[Fighting phoenix]

Ordered two sets of Paradox Pro 1.26 - excited to try it!!

 

[Aestheticsaboveallelse]

The good: Ordered a reel of Paradox Pro

the Bad: Came down with the bichVid as soon as I clicked “confirm”.

The Ugly: Well, just me, I’m ugly.

Leh' us kno' hou it go

 

[cjviva]

Tried paradox 1.29 in vc95 2023 at 48lbs. For reference I usually use tour m8 at 44lb. Played for about 3 hrs today, had one friend tried it out as well who used tour m8.

On the stringer the string felt like 1000 grit sandpaper, texture reminded me a bit like alu vibe. But surprisingly there are snap back in the string bed.

I would say static stiffness is low and dynamic stiffness is quite high. At 48lbs it definitely felt a lot stiffer than M8 with less pocketing, anything but a full swing will be boardy. Launch angle is low, power is actually not bad and it felt great on first serves. I usually don't need my string to generate the spin but with Paradox, sometimes the shots are lacking the shape and will fly out just a tiny bit. I usually notice this with stiff shaped setup that don't have a ton of snap back due to strings cutting into each other. Touch shots are surprisingly good and reminds me a bit like alu.

Tomorrow I'm going to cut out the cross and put in lrukandji to see if it will bring more snapback. I'll also string another racket at 44 lbs.

 

[Grapplesnake USA Official]

@Grapplesnake USA Official Have you ever tried to hybrid Paradox Pro with any string?

Based on @YonexEnjoyer's review, Paradox Pro is a powerful, spin friendly and soft string, so I am also thinking maybe hybrid it with a not-so-powerful, smooth and soft string. One string on the top of my head is Ghostwire, but maybe Irukandji and Liquid are also good choices? How do you think or do you expect them to perform if you haven't tried.

Thanks!

I think that should work decent if you want to reduce some power. I haven’t experimented too much with dual poly using Paradox Pro, but have tried half dozen multis in the crosses for that type of hybrid and it’s super comfortable. Lots of power, also.

 

[legcramp]

Paradox review by MPTennis

 

[Roddy13]

Hey all, just wanted to give my impressions of the paradox pro. I have strung up the 1.29mm in my V8 Blade 16x19 and my Vcore 98 2023 at 52lbs and I have a semi-western FH and 1HBH. First, I typically use Tour M8 1.3, TS 1.3, GC or some combo of them in my racquets. After ~5hours of hitting between both racquets, Im pretty confident the PPro will be my new go-to string. It complements the muted feel of this racquets extremely well, by providing a crisp feeling stringbed. It does have the same kind of crisp feel as TS or Alu power, but more solid/substantial. The best way I could describe it is like a slightly more muted and metallic natural gut. For comfort, I have never used a more comfortable performance-oriented string. Coming from someone who usually gets wrist soreness after a ~2-3hr hard hitting session with Tour M8, I dont think this string could make my wrist hurt if I served 200 balls in a row and hit every one off-center. Spin generation is a small step down from GC, but better than TS or Tour M8. It is definitely more powerful than the latter two and comparable to GC. Tension maintenance is the best of any poly string I have tried thus far. Strung it up in the morning and measured it immediately off the stringer and it was 52lbs on the dot, using racquet tune app. Got a good 2 hour session in in the afternoon and checked it again after I had got back home and the total tension loss was less than 3lbs. Seeing as most strings lose ~10% just sitting in the first 24 hours off the stringer, that is quite impressive. All in all, amazing all-around string and really no objective weaknesses. I dont see how it will limit any aspect of my game and the only thing that remains to be seen is how long it will maintain its playability. The only subjective aspects of the string that may not be for everyone is the feel and the color, but I am a fan of both.

 

[Aestheticsaboveallelse]

Hey all, just wanted to give my impressions of the paradox pro. I have strung up the 1.29mm in my V8 Blade 16x19 and my Vcore 98 2023 at 52lbs and I have a semi-western FH and 1HBH. First, I typically use Tour M8 1.3, TS 1.3, GC or some combo of them in my racquets. After ~5hours of hitting between both racquets, Im pretty confident the PPro will be my new go-to string. It complements the muted feel of this racquets extremely well, by providing a crisp feeling stringbed. It does have the same kind of crisp feel as TS or Alu power, but more solid/substantial. The best way I could describe it is like a slightly more muted and metallic natural gut. For comfort, I have never used a more comfortable performance-oriented string. Coming from someone who usually gets wrist soreness after a ~2-3hr hard hitting session with Tour M8, I dont think this string could make my wrist hurt if I served 200 balls in a row and hit every one off-center. Spin generation is a small step down from GC, but better than TS or Tour M8. It is definitely more powerful than the latter two and comparable to GC. Tension maintenance is the best of any poly string I have tried thus far. Strung it up in the morning and measured it immediately off the stringer and it was 52lbs on the dot, using racquet tune app. Got a good 2 hour session in in the afternoon and checked it again after I had got back home and the total tension loss was less than 3lbs. Seeing as most strings lose ~10% just sitting in the first 24 hours off the stringer, that is quite impressive. All in all, amazing all-around string and really no objective weaknesses. I dont see how it will limit any aspect of my game and the only thing that remains to be seen is how long it will maintain its playability. The only subjective aspects of the string that may not be for everyone is the feel and the color, but I am a fan of both.

They said it will remain close to same playability until it breaks... mptennis's complaint was that it breaks on him in 4-5 hrs, quicker than stiffer strings like tour m8. But he's a very high level player

 

[robycat]

Maybe we should string it at lower tension since it has such a good tension maintainance?

 

[Grapplesnake USA Official]

Maybe we should string it at lower tension since it has such a good tension maintainance?

Remember it's also soft and powerful. I wouldn't go too low. It's a new experience with the lack of break-in and it also not going dead.

 

[Grapplesnake USA Official]

LABELS! So many labels! I love labels! Paradox Pro is officially fully released, sets and reels, 1.26mm and 1.29mm! Thanks everyone for your patience and thanks to all of you who went out of your ways to email and request the string even without labels. Super honored

 

[Grapplesnake USA Official]

Hey all, just wanted to give my impressions of the paradox pro. I have strung up the 1.29mm in my V8 Blade 16x19 and my Vcore 98 2023 at 52lbs and I have a semi-western FH and 1HBH. First, I typically use Tour M8 1.3, TS 1.3, GC or some combo of them in my racquets. After ~5hours of hitting between both racquets, Im pretty confident the PPro will be my new go-to string. It complements the muted feel of this racquets extremely well, by providing a crisp feeling stringbed. It does have the same kind of crisp feel as TS or Alu power, but more solid/substantial. The best way I could describe it is like a slightly more muted and metallic natural gut. For comfort, I have never used a more comfortable performance-oriented string. Coming from someone who usually gets wrist soreness after a ~2-3hr hard hitting session with Tour M8, I dont think this string could make my wrist hurt if I served 200 balls in a row and hit every one off-center. Spin generation is a small step down from GC, but better than TS or Tour M8. It is definitely more powerful than the latter two and comparable to GC. Tension maintenance is the best of any poly string I have tried thus far. Strung it up in the morning and measured it immediately off the stringer and it was 52lbs on the dot, using racquet tune app. Got a good 2 hour session in in the afternoon and checked it again after I had got back home and the total tension loss was less than 3lbs. Seeing as most strings lose ~10% just sitting in the first 24 hours off the stringer, that is quite impressive. All in all, amazing all-around string and really no objective weaknesses. I dont see how it will limit any aspect of my game and the only thing that remains to be seen is how long it will maintain its playability. The only subjective aspects of the string that may not be for everyone is the feel and the color, but I am a fan of both.

Thank you!

 

[robycat]

Remember it's also soft and powerful. I wouldn't go too low. It's a new experience with the lack of break-in and it also not going dead.

Got it, I usually string multi at 52 and poly at 44~48. So I will start at 46 then

 

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[Aestheticsaboveallelse]

Remember it's also soft and powerful. I wouldn't go too low. It's a new experience with the lack of break-in and it also not going dead.

I have 1.29 at 30 lbs in prince phantom 97p, I find it starts playing bad when it gets too hot and sunny but before that happens its great the power is completely under control can swing as hard as I want, spin great etc. When it gets too hot and sunny the string response just goes bad at least at this low 30 lb tension...

Although I noticed a commenter on the mptennis vid posted above said this string spoils like milk in the hot sun and they're probably using at a normal tension so this is something worth looking at

 

[Grapplesnake USA Official]

I have 1.29 at 30 lbs in prince phantom 97p, I find it starts playing bad when it gets too hot and sunny but before that happens its great the power is completely under control can swing as hard as I want, spin great etc. When it gets too hot and sunny the string response just goes bad at least at this low 30 lb tension...

Although I noticed a commenter on the mptennis vid posted above said this string spoils like milk in the hot sun and they're probably using at a normal tension so this is something worth looking at

I wouldn't want to question someone's experience (comment in video), but Paradox doesn't do that. It has excellent tension maintenance. Who knows.

 

[Aestheticsaboveallelse]

I wouldn't want to question someone's experience (comment in video), but Paradox doesn't do that. It has excellent tension maintenance. Who knows.

Yea I was thinking raising the tension would fix it but that comment made caught my interest since thats what was happening with my setup. Will find out next time stringing it at 52.

Weather's effect on stringbed repulsion is very confusing and the worst thing about tennis, can easily ruin the play of any string

When its playing great before too hot no complaints everything feels and plays good.

 

[robycat]

Yea I was thinking raising the tension would fix it but that comment made caught my interest since thats what was happening with my setup. Will find out next time stringing it at 52.

Weather's effect on stringbed repulsion is very confusing and the worst thing about tennis, can easily ruin the play of any string

When its playing great before too hot no complaints everything feels and plays good.

How hot it was?

 

[Aestheticsaboveallelse]

How hot it was?

High 90s or 100s and high uv index

 

[robycat]

I tried paradox pro today:
My standard setup as A: Triax 52/Ghostwire 48
My Paradox setup as B: Paradox 46/Ghostwire 46

Power: A > B
Spin: B >> A, I have much better kick serve with B
Comfort: A >= B, the difference is not significant.
Confort: This one is hard to say, because it is my first time playing Paradox. In today's session, A >= B, but maybe in the future when I am familiar with Paradox, things can change.

Overall, Paradox is a great string! Comfort as a multi and Spin friendly

 

[Grapplesnake USA Official]

I tried paradox pro today:
My standard setup as A: Triax 52/Ghostwire 48
My Paradox setup as B: Paradox 46/Ghostwire 46

Power: A > B
Spin: B >> A, I have much better kick serve with B
Comfort: A >= B, the difference is not significant.
Confort: This one is hard to say, because it is my first time playing Paradox. In today's session, A >= B, but maybe in the future when I am familiar with Paradox, things can change.

Overall, Paradox is a great string! Comfort as a multi and Spin friendly

Thanks for sharing your impressions!

 

[Aestheticsaboveallelse]

I wouldn't want to question someone's experience (comment in video), but Paradox doesn't do that. It has excellent tension maintenance. Who knows.

Thats why I haven't reviewed this string yet... 30 lbs is extreme and until I try a much higher tension can't know if any bad experience has anything to do with the string itself.

Getting same racquet restrung at 50 soon to find out!

 

[Holdfast44ID]

Just got a set of Paradox Pro1.26mm. I've been using Confidential 16l in my Pure Aero at 55/53 at the high end and 52/50 at the low end. What's a good starting tension for Paradox Pro? The same as I normally use or go lower? I'm thinking to try it at 52/50.

 

[Grapplesnake USA Official]

Just got a set of Paradox Pro1.26mm. I've been using Confidential 16l in my Pure Aero at 55/53 at the high end and 52/50 at the low end. What's a good starting tension for Paradox Pro? The same as I normally use or go lower? I'm thinking to try it at 52/50.

Good morning! I suggest 1 or 2 lb higher, given that it's softer and with more pop. One advice while stringing Paradox is to avoid kinking or twisting the string and please don't crush too hard it with the clamps. It can create weak spots. You'll get plenty of pocketing and snapback. Virtually no break-in period. Enjoy!

 

[PigPen]

Good morning! I suggest 1 or 2 lb higher, given that it's softer and with more pop. One advice while stringing Paradox is to avoid kinking or twisting the string and please don't crush too hard it with the clamps. It can create weak spots. You'll get plenty of pocketing and snapback. Virtually no break-in period. Enjoy!

How much more does Paradox Pro weigh than Tour Sniper of Tour M8?

 

[Grapplesnake USA Official]

How much more does Paradox Pro weigh than Tour Sniper of Tour M8?

About a gram to a gram and a half compared to 1.25 Sniper/M8. My scale keeps fluctuating. It's somewhat noticeable if you are sensitive to slight changes in weight or balance. That also applies to the 1.29 being around a gram heavier than Sniper or M8 1.3 in a 16x19 98 head.

 

[Sean Sullivan]

Any ideas on when Sets/Reels of Tour Sniper 1.25 will be restocked?

 

[FoldingChair]

First two hours with PP 1.25 in 2 auxetic speed MP’s. Racquets are matched. 1 had PP at 53/51 2 had 51/49 (my usual tension). The string is softer and more powerful than tour sniper. But the control is all there and the spin is more than tour sniper. I preferred my usual tension vs the higher strung one. The feel is strange and different but nice nonetheless. Just some initial thoughts

 

[Meks]

What strings would you recommend for Gravity MP Auxetic?

 

[Grapplesnake USA Official]

Any ideas on when Sets/Reels of Tour Sniper 1.25 will be restocked?

They're on their way. Possibly 10 days, and hopefully less.

 

[Grapplesnake USA Official]

What strings would you recommend for Gravity MP Auxetic?

I personally like Sniper and M8 in the Gravity series. Haven't tested Paradox in it yet. I have a long list of frames to go through with Paradox to give the best advice in terms of tension and performance.

 

[Grapplesnake USA Official]

Sniper and M8 restock scheduled to arrive on the 26th, and will probably show back in stock that evening or the next day at the latest. Thanks!

 

[fnick851]

Does Paradox Pro perform well at lower tension similar to Tour M8?
Say I am coming from Tour M8 1.25mm at 47/45 lbs, what tension should I use for Paradox Pro 1.29mm in the same racket?
Thanks.

 

[FoldingChair]

@Grapplesnake USA Official yall have a winner with the paradox pro 1.25. Making this my new go to from tour sniper 1.25. It does everything tour sniper does well with more comfort, power, and somehow I’m getting more spin? Tour sniper beats it in control all day though. Is there any possibility for additional colors in the future?

 

[Grapplesnake USA Official]

@Grapplesnake USA Official yall have a winner with the paradox pro 1.25. Making this my new go to from tour sniper 1.25. It does everything tour sniper does well with more comfort, power, and somehow I’m getting more spin? Tour sniper beats it in control all day though. Is there any possibility for additional colors in the future?

Awesome! And yes, they are actually already made, some introductory colors that will be offered for a limited time, with the standard forest green being the constant. From thereof any of those additional colors stick, we could continue their production. We will see. For now, we need to reinforce stock in Sniper and M8, so I don't see those colors being cut and shipped in less than a month.

 

[Grapplesnake USA Official]

Does Paradox Pro perform well at lower tension similar to Tour M8?
Say I am coming from Tour M8 1.25mm at 47/45 lbs, what tension should I use for Paradox Pro 1.29mm in the same racket?
Thanks.

I wouldn't go too low, since it's more powerful and also softer. Based on your example, I would go with 49/47.