Carreau

Semi-Pro
I have tried M8 earlier but I was not impressed at all. However, I strung it using proportional stringing method (Sergetti in particular) earlier. Found the last set of M8 last week and strung it in usual way and it was way better. Still, somehow it feels more sluggish than TS.
 
@Grapplesnake USA Official Apologies in advanced if this has been asked before, I may have missed this from older posts, but what is the tension maintenance of Alpha?
Not sure if you can give a % of tension loss like the strings shown in TW string database.
Or do you have that measured in hours ? (with a reference starting tension)
Or super basic, in scale of Excellent / Good / Average / Bad

Thank you
Hello! No problem. We don't have lab values, but I would place it in Good to Excellent. And that's me being conservative, because I actually believe Alpha is outstanding at maintaining tension in a way that no many soft strings do.
 
2nd hit with Paradox Pro today and my favorite aspect of this string is the consistency. It feels exactly like the first hit, the launch angle is totally predictable, and the control is fantastic. It also has a ton of spin for a round string.

There is also a nice ‘thwack’ at contact.

Looking like a reel might be in my future.
You have discovered the magic behind the new technology. Happy to read!
 
I have tried M8 earlier but I was not impressed at all. However, I strung it using proportional stringing method (Sergetti in particular) earlier. Found the last set of M8 last week and strung it in usual way and it was way better. Still, somehow it feels more sluggish than TS.
Which reference tension did you use when using Sergetti in comparison to your tension during normal stringing? Since you continue to drop from your reference if basing it on the longest main and cross while using Sergetti, I would then suggest dropping your nominal tension during normal stringing. Might be what you need.
 
Hello! No problem. We don't have lab values, but I would place it in Good to Excellent. And that's me being conservative, because I actually believe Alpha is outstanding at maintaining tension in a way that no many soft strings do.
Thank you! I just strung and played with Alpha as cross for a shaped poly. It felt nice, but very very very powerful. I will increase the tension next time as I'm missing for a few cm when hitting hard, but right now I hope this first string Job lasts 2 weeks
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
Which reference tension did you use when using Sergetti in comparison to your tension during normal stringing? Since you continue to drop from your reference if basing it on the longest main and cross while using Sergetti, I would then suggest dropping your nominal tension during normal stringing. Might be what you need.
What do you think about your strings like M8 and sniper in hybrid setup with multil like X-1 biphase ? would they work well in this setup ?? some polys work better than other polys depending on the characteristics
 
What do you think about your strings like M8 and sniper in hybrid setup with multil like X-1 biphase ? would they work well in this setup ?? some polys work better than other polys depending on the characteristics
I think Sniper, M8, Alpha and Paradox are great candidates when using a hybrid with a great multi in the crosses such as X-one biphase. The multi will still last quite a while due to the soft edges or no edges in Paradox. X-one biphase is certainly awesome, but I personally just use it in the mains, in the reverse hybrid. For cross duty, I tend to go with Toalson T8.
 
@Grapplesnake USA Official I have the M8 tour, Toursniper and gamechanger. Which one should I string it and how many lbs in my Pure Aero VS ? I need control and moderate/low power. Mostly control, to take full swings with confidence
I mean, they would all work great in the VS, and they will all have their strengths. The only thing is that I would probably string Game Changer 1 or 2 lb tighter than M8/Sniper, given how soft it is, and the fact that it adjusts its tension initially because of its geometry (square strings do that). Game Changer will give you most spin and a very solid feel, Sniper most control and a characteristic aluminum-based feel, and M8 the most solid feel and well balanced attributes in general.
 
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Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
I think Sniper, M8, Alpha and Paradox are great candidates when using a hybrid with a great multi in the crosses such as X-one biphase. The multi will still last quite a while due to the soft edges or no edges in Paradox. X-one biphase is certainly awesome, but I personally just use it in the mains, in the reverse hybrid. For cross duty, I tend to go with Toalson T8.
i mainly use the multi string in the cross and Poly in the mains because mains are what grabs the ball and impart topspin on the ball. I am a very heavy topspin player and rely on it for control while really hitting out on the ball.
 
i mainly use the multi string in the cross and Poly in the mains because mains are what grabs the ball and impart topspin on the ball. I am a very heavy topspin player and rely on it for control while really hitting out on the ball.
Agree. Poly/Multi is a better setup the harder you hit. If playing at a lower level, of if mostly focusing on comfort and power, that's when an expensive multi such as X-one biphase shines in the mains. Not so much for me in the crosses.
 

Pekoms

Rookie
I mean, they would all work great in the VS, and they will all have their strengths. The only thing is that I would probably string Game Changer 1 or 2 lb tighter than M8/Sniper, given how soft it is, and the fact that it adjust its tension initially because of its geometry (square strings do that). Game Changer will give you most spin and a very solid feel, Sniper most control and a characteristic aluminum-based feel, and M8 the most solid feel and well balanced attributes in general.
Thank you so much! Will try sniper first at 23kg!
 

Carreau

Semi-Pro
Which reference tension did you use when using Sergetti in comparison to your tension during normal stringing? Since you continue to drop from your reference if basing it on the longest main and cross while using Sergetti, I would then suggest dropping your nominal tension during normal stringing. Might be what you need.
Yes, my Sergetti tension = my normal reference tension +1kg. However, M8 strung using Sergetti method makes launch angle and spin unpredictable, I cannot control depth. I'm pretty sure that M8 does not like being strung high in middle of the stringbed.
 
Yes, my Sergetti tension = my normal reference tension +1kg. However, M8 strung using Sergetti method makes launch angle and spin unpredictable, I cannot control depth. I'm pretty sure that M8 does not like being strung high in middle of the stringbed.
I typically run Sergetti 4 lb higher than the tension I use stringing normally, in case this helps.
 
can you make tour M8 in Red or Green color ?
It is olive green now, which I personally love because it’s unique. More colors in the future are certainly possible, given how popular it has become, but there is an initiative for a thinner gauge and other priorities first in line. I want to see Tour M8 in another couple of colors, and that thinner gauge later on. Can’t give you a timeline on this, and I’m not sure if yet another green is the best idea.
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
It is olive green now, which I personally love because it’s unique. More colors in the future are certainly possible, given how popular it has become, but there is an initiative for a thinner gauge and other priorities first in line. I want to see Tour M8 in another couple of colors, and that thinner gauge later on. Can’t give you a timeline on this, and I’m not sure if yet another green is the best idea.
make the 18 g in Neon color or Red
 

ebo03

New User
It is olive green now, which I personally love because it’s unique. More colors in the future are certainly possible, given how popular it has become, but there is an initiative for a thinner gauge and other priorities first in line. I want to see Tour M8 in another couple of colors, and that thinner gauge later on. Can’t give you a timeline on this, and I’m not sure if yet another green is the best idea.
1.20 offerings in M8 and Alpha would be great.
 

vdsp

New User
It is olive green now, which I personally love because it’s unique. More colors in the future are certainly possible, given how popular it has become, but there is an initiative for a thinner gauge and other priorities first in line. I want to see Tour M8 in another couple of colors, and that thinner gauge later on. Can’t give you a timeline on this, and I’m not sure if yet another green is the best idea.
Love the olive green on Percept 97!

Best thing about Tour M8 is the directional control while being so comfortable. Ball stays on the strings much longer than Lynx Tour/Confidential
 

zeneto1234

New User
Just A feed back.. Played with Angell React 96 pro ( w/2 overgrips + dampener) stringed with grapplesnake tour m8 1.3 mains/ paradox pro cross 1.29 in 46/48lbs and never hit a heavier Ball in my life and with consistency lol, it was my first time with the racket and the hybrid maybe its the honeymoon phase or something. Will give another feedback in a week or two.
 
Has anyone tried Tour m8 mains and Paradox Pro crosses hybrid? Can anyone give me a feedback? In theory, they compliment each other very well and the paradox pro can help the playability of the tour m8 even more. What you guys think?
I've been playing Tour M8 mains hybrid with razor soft for a couple of month, love this set up I just can't decide on my preferred tension
 

ebo03

New User
I've been playing Tour M8 mains hybrid with razor soft for a couple of month, love this set up I just can't decide on my preferred tension
Sounds like a nice feeling hybrid. I tried Razor Soft once and loved the initial feel. After an hour it dropped considerable tension. After 2 hours it was a sponge. Great feeling poly just poor tension maintenance.
 

pico

Hall of Fame
I strung my PAVS with 1.30mm Tour Sniper at 46lbs. This is the lowest I have ever gone. I am usually in the 53 - 56lbs range. Excited to try it in a few days tine.
 

Pekoms

Rookie
I strung my PAVS with 1.30mm Tour Sniper at 46lbs. This is the lowest I have ever gone. I am usually in the 53 - 56lbs range. Excited to try it in a few days tine.
Is Tour Sniper at 54-55 lbs confortable enough? I bet you have tons of control and lower launch angle
 

ebo03

New User
Is Tour Sniper at 54-55 lbs confortable enough? I bet you have tons of control and lower launch angle
I was surprised by the stiffness at 53 lbs using a syn gut cross hybrid. M8 at 53 lbs was nice with same cross. Both in 2022 Ezone 98 Tours. I probably won’t revisit Tour Sniper for this reason.
 

AKB

Rookie
Doing my best to support Paradox Pro margins and production cost, about to finish my third reel now. Consider myself to know the string really well now…here’s some characteristics I’ve noticed and confirmed over time:

1. Soft
2. No break-in (marginal amount but barely noticeable)
3. Initial tension drop and then just stays there…better with higher initial tensions
4. Lots of feel
5. Loud thwack from the sweet spot
6. Does not feel plasticky
7. Not prone to saw itself in half in full bed
8. Very grippy on the ball and need patience to weave crosses (think Ashaway strings)
9. Prone to shear breaks at the frame due to metallic nature
10. No need to straighten strings (full bed) aka excellent snap back
11. Excellent durability
12. Can be played with till it breaks (worth the admission price alone here imo)
13. Can feel a touch stiff in the hoop if the racket also has a stiff hoop
14. Did not enjoy string savers with it
15. Does feel metallic
16. String bed will be buzzing for a few seconds after impact if you put your fingers/hand on the strings (no dampener)
17. No dampener required, highly recommend not using one
18. Lot of feedback and easy to know where you hit in the string bed
19. Forest Green color is pleasing to the eye
20. Found lesser initial tension drop at 49 lbs vs 46 lbs, settled on 48M/45X as my tension
21. No pain whatsoever even with the metallic qualities of the string (USTA 4.5 and above)
22. Would recommend 45 lbs as starting tension if familiar with mid forties tensions
23. Would recommend 49 lbs as starting tension if you prefer to string in the low 50s with polys
24. Voting for copper/bronze as alternate color if budget allows for it!
25. Lastly, it’s decently powerful. Either you hit accurate lasers with low margin or you’ll need good RHS to make it dip on aggressive ground strokes. Not meant for NTRP 3.5 and below. Ideally, 4.5+ to realize all benefits. Most benefits will be realized at 4.0 which is great!

All in all, incredible string that works well for my replicate Roger Federer badly game style. It’s expensive initially but not really since it’ll last twice as long as a poly string job.

I am a long time user of Aluminum based strings, tried them all and stuck with WC Silverstring for the longest time. I’ve permanently switched to Paradox Pro. I genuinely believe it can be thought of as a newer gen of polys, it’s that different from everything else.
 

pico

Hall of Fame
Doing my best to support Paradox Pro margins and production cost, about to finish my third reel now. Consider myself to know the string really well now…here’s some characteristics I’ve noticed and confirmed over time:

1. Soft
2. No break-in (marginal amount but barely noticeable)
3. Initial tension drop and then just stays there…better with higher initial tensions
4. Lots of feel
5. Loud thwack from the sweet spot
6. Does not feel plasticky
7. Not prone to saw itself in half in full bed
8. Very grippy on the ball and need patience to weave crosses (think Ashaway strings)
9. Prone to shear breaks at the frame due to metallic nature
10. No need to straighten strings (full bed) aka excellent snap back
11. Excellent durability
12. Can be played with till it breaks (worth the admission price alone here imo)
13. Can feel a touch stiff in the hoop if the racket also has a stiff hoop
14. Did not enjoy string savers with it
15. Does feel metallic
16. String bed will be buzzing for a few seconds after impact if you put your fingers/hand on the strings (no dampener)
17. No dampener required, highly recommend not using one
18. Lot of feedback and easy to know where you hit in the string bed
19. Forest Green color is pleasing to the eye
20. Found lesser initial tension drop at 49 lbs vs 46 lbs, settled on 48M/45X as my tension
21. No pain whatsoever even with the metallic qualities of the string (USTA 4.5 and above)
22. Would recommend 45 lbs as starting tension if familiar with mid forties tensions
23. Would recommend 49 lbs as starting tension if you prefer to string in the low 50s with polys
24. Voting for copper/bronze as alternate color if budget allows for it!
25. Lastly, it’s decently powerful. Either you hit accurate lasers with low margin or you’ll need good RHS to make it dip on aggressive ground strokes. Not meant for NTRP 3.5 and below. Ideally, 4.5+ to realize all benefits. Most benefits will be realized at 4.0 which is great!

All in all, incredible string that works well for my replicate Roger Federer badly game style. It’s expensive initially but not really since it’ll last twice as long as a poly string job.

I am a long time user of Aluminum based strings, tried them all and stuck with WC Silverstring for the longest time. I’ve permanently switched to Paradox Pro. I genuinely believe it can be thought of as a newer gen of polys, it’s that different from everything else.
For the shear breaks - did you experience any? is it with regards to while stringing or playing?
 

AKB

Rookie
For the shear breaks - did you experience any? is it with regards to while stringing or playing?
A few on framed hits at the grommet essentially.

All while playing, don’t even consider it a thing to really watch out for when I use string.

Most strings will snap on a hard hit framed ball, Paradox Pro is slightly more likely to do that.

Solution is to not wildly hit framers, pretty easy to show restraint if the feet aren’t set to swing out.
 

ebo03

New User
I just strung up CES/Liquid neon dust hybrid. Solely based on handling the string I will be shocked if it has an ounce of feel or control. Will report back tomorrow after hitting. Here’s to hoping I’m pleasantly surprised.
 

ebo03

New User
A few on framed hits at the grommet essentially.

All while playing, don’t even consider it a thing to really watch out for when I use string.

Most strings will snap on a hard hit framed ball, Paradox Pro is slightly more likely to do that.

Solution is to not wildly hit framers, pretty easy to show restraint if the feet aren’t set to swing out.
By any chance were you using a starting clamp at the grommet where the breaks occurred? Some strings can be very sensitive where they are clamped then pulled 90° through a grommet.
 

Casper777

Professional
Will gladly try Paradox Pro once available in another color :)

Until that day I've tried (in order of preference)

- game changer
- purple +
- Alpha
- M8
- tour sniper
 

ebo03

New User
So is Excellent Purple + not available in the US or has it been discontinued? I’ve read posts mentioning it but it’s not on their US website.
 

Casper777

Professional
Europe only

Regular round purple must be great too... tension maintenance is top notch... I guess its grapplesnake attemps to make à 4G equivalent
 

AKB

Rookie
By any chance were you using a starting clamp at the grommet where the breaks occurred? Some strings can be very sensitive where they are clamped then pulled 90° through a grommet.
I don’t string for myself so no clue, could be…I’ll ask the stringer.
 
Doing my best to support Paradox Pro margins and production cost, about to finish my third reel now. Consider myself to know the string really well now…here’s some characteristics I’ve noticed and confirmed over time:

1. Soft
2. No break-in (marginal amount but barely noticeable)
3. Initial tension drop and then just stays there…better with higher initial tensions
4. Lots of feel
5. Loud thwack from the sweet spot
6. Does not feel plasticky
7. Not prone to saw itself in half in full bed
8. Very grippy on the ball and need patience to weave crosses (think Ashaway strings)
9. Prone to shear breaks at the frame due to metallic nature
10. No need to straighten strings (full bed) aka excellent snap back
11. Excellent durability
12. Can be played with till it breaks (worth the admission price alone here imo)
13. Can feel a touch stiff in the hoop if the racket also has a stiff hoop
14. Did not enjoy string savers with it
15. Does feel metallic
16. String bed will be buzzing for a few seconds after impact if you put your fingers/hand on the strings (no dampener)
17. No dampener required, highly recommend not using one
18. Lot of feedback and easy to know where you hit in the string bed
19. Forest Green color is pleasing to the eye
20. Found lesser initial tension drop at 49 lbs vs 46 lbs, settled on 48M/45X as my tension
21. No pain whatsoever even with the metallic qualities of the string (USTA 4.5 and above)
22. Would recommend 45 lbs as starting tension if familiar with mid forties tensions
23. Would recommend 49 lbs as starting tension if you prefer to string in the low 50s with polys
24. Voting for copper/bronze as alternate color if budget allows for it!
25. Lastly, it’s decently powerful. Either you hit accurate lasers with low margin or you’ll need good RHS to make it dip on aggressive ground strokes. Not meant for NTRP 3.5 and below. Ideally, 4.5+ to realize all benefits. Most benefits will be realized at 4.0 which is great!

All in all, incredible string that works well for my replicate Roger Federer badly game style. It’s expensive initially but not really since it’ll last twice as long as a poly string job.

I am a long time user of Aluminum based strings, tried them all and stuck with WC Silverstring for the longest time. I’ve permanently switched to Paradox Pro. I genuinely believe it can be thought of as a newer gen of polys, it’s that different from everything else.
This post is outstanding. Thank you for taking the time to share your detailed impressions.
 

Carreau

Semi-Pro
Doing my best to support Paradox Pro margins and production cost, about to finish my third reel now. Consider myself to know the string really well now…here’s some characteristics I’ve noticed and confirmed over time:

1. Soft
2. No break-in (marginal amount but barely noticeable)
3. Initial tension drop and then just stays there…better with higher initial tensions
4. Lots of feel
5. Loud thwack from the sweet spot
6. Does not feel plasticky
7. Not prone to saw itself in half in full bed
8. Very grippy on the ball and need patience to weave crosses (think Ashaway strings)
9. Prone to shear breaks at the frame due to metallic nature
10. No need to straighten strings (full bed) aka excellent snap back
11. Excellent durability
12. Can be played with till it breaks (worth the admission price alone here imo)
13. Can feel a touch stiff in the hoop if the racket also has a stiff hoop
14. Did not enjoy string savers with it
15. Does feel metallic
16. String bed will be buzzing for a few seconds after impact if you put your fingers/hand on the strings (no dampener)
17. No dampener required, highly recommend not using one
18. Lot of feedback and easy to know where you hit in the string bed
19. Forest Green color is pleasing to the eye
20. Found lesser initial tension drop at 49 lbs vs 46 lbs, settled on 48M/45X as my tension
21. No pain whatsoever even with the metallic qualities of the string (USTA 4.5 and above)
22. Would recommend 45 lbs as starting tension if familiar with mid forties tensions
23. Would recommend 49 lbs as starting tension if you prefer to string in the low 50s with polys
24. Voting for copper/bronze as alternate color if budget allows for it!
25. Lastly, it’s decently powerful. Either you hit accurate lasers with low margin or you’ll need good RHS to make it dip on aggressive ground strokes. Not meant for NTRP 3.5 and below. Ideally, 4.5+ to realize all benefits. Most benefits will be realized at 4.0 which is great!

All in all, incredible string that works well for my replicate Roger Federer badly game style. It’s expensive initially but not really since it’ll last twice as long as a poly string job.

I am a long time user of Aluminum based strings, tried them all and stuck with WC Silverstring for the longest time. I’ve permanently switched to Paradox Pro. I genuinely believe it can be thought of as a newer gen of polys, it’s that different from everything else.
It will be very interesting to try this string. I love WC Silverstring as well. However, I prefer TS currently, it is more consistent IMO + I hate that Silverstring becomes more crisp/stiff after few hours of hitting.
 

ebo03

New User
I just strung up CES/Liquid neon dust hybrid. Solely based on handling the string I will be shocked if it has an ounce of feel or control. Will report back tomorrow after hitting. Here’s to hoping I’m pleasantly surprised.
I hit two hours with the neon dust hybrid today. I can’t say this string is for me but I can say it performed and felt far better than expected. It was pretty comfortable for a poly/poly hybrid. I had just cut out a Yonex hybrid b/c it felt too stiff - Poly Tour Spin blue mains @53lbs & Poly Tour Pro yellow cross @55lbs, both 1.20. Neon dust hybrid also had decent control. I found it surprisingly predictable.

I can’t speak to the long-term playability of it since I’m replacing it after 2 hours. There was no noticeable tension drop in those 2 hours, which is impressive compared to most polys. I went 52lbs main & 55lbs cross. The manufacturer’s tension recommendation seemed spot on for me.

This setup had a mild spongy feeling. It just lacked the crisp feel that I’m looking for. I admit that I’m picky with strings. For me a string has to balance feel, control and tension maintenance without being too harsh on the arm.

Bravo Grapplesnake! This is a solid option but isn’t my cup of tea.

I had planned on trying Toroline’s K-Pro hybrid next but am so impressed with Grapplesnake that I’m going to change course. Next I will hybrid either Alpha mains & M8 cross, or Alpha mains & Paradox Pro cross.
 
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