inverted backswings

ShooterMcMarco

Hall of Fame
when i was hitting around today, i just wanted to experiment with my swing and tried to do an inverted backswing. all of sudden i was making sweet contact with the ball. it felt like i had more spin too, which is probably the result of clean contact.
 

ShooterMcMarco

Hall of Fame
ahaha, allow me to explain. in your ready position (for example lets say you wait in a sw grip), the bottom edge of the racquet during the back swing does a 180 so that faces the back fence.
 

Rickson

G.O.A.T.
ShooterMcMarco said:
ahaha, allow me to explain. in your ready position (for example lets say you wait in a sw grip), the bottom edge of the racquet during the back swing does a 180 so that faces the back fence.
You mean keeping a closed face on the backswing? Almost everyone I know does that. Most pros hit their forehands that way too except for Coria.
 

ShooterMcMarco

Hall of Fame
Rickson said:
You mean keeping a closed face on the backswing? Almost everyone I know does that. Most pros hit their forehands that way too except for Coria.
well pretty much, but since i use a conservative grip it allows me to close the face. if u use a western grip, on the takeback its already closed.

As requested by raftermania:

 

raftermania

Banned
Wow, did you rip that artwork off the l'oeuvre??

So basically you take the racquet back high instead of straight back. I do that too.
 

Rickson

G.O.A.T.
ShooterMcMarco said:
well pretty much, but since i use a conservative grip it allows me to close the face. if u use a western grip, on the takeback its already closed.

As requested by raftermania:

What the hell is that?
 

Ronaldo

Bionic Poster
So like start high to low eh? Accelerate on the down stroke, then up through the ball? Wrap-around finish? Great diagram
 

ShooterMcMarco

Hall of Fame
lol, i guess you guys like my drawings, haha.

allow me to explain: in the first segment, the neanderthal is holding the racquet in a ready position with the racquet on edge which is denoted by the slash mark. in the second pic the neanderthal is preparing to swing. notice how the edge pointing down now points at the back fence and maybe with more of an angle. its more of an idiosyncrasy if anything. meh, just go to tennisplayer.net and subscribe John Yandell says it much better than i do :)
 

x Southpaw x

Semi-Pro
ShooterMcMarco said:
lol, i guess you guys like my drawings, haha.

allow me to explain: in the first segment, the neanderthal is holding the racquet in a ready position with the racquet on edge which is denoted by the slash mark. in the second pic the neanderthal is preparing to swing. notice how the edge pointing down now points at the back fence and maybe with more of an angle. its more of an idiosyncrasy if anything. meh, just go to tennisplayer.net and subscribe John Yandell says it much better than i do :)
Whatever.... you and your dumb breakthroughs... just don't call it inverted backswings.
 

Bungalo Bill

G.O.A.T.
ShooterMcMarco said:
well pretty much, but since i use a conservative grip it allows me to close the face. if u use a western grip, on the takeback its already closed.

As requested by raftermania:

Shooter,

You don't need to name this. This is something I teach to beginners as their very first position.

The next position is the "pat the dog on the head" same edge would be now pointing sideways to the side fence in back of the players body. The hitting side of the racket is facing toward the ground. The next step is the contact step followed by the followthrough step with the hand in front of the forehead.

This step with the racket up is my first step that is actually taught last once I see beginners are able to bring the racket forward from the "pat the dog on the head" position and make clean contact. Then I teach them to raise the racket in this fashion to gain momentum in the swing.

Sorry to say this, but welcome to tennis 101! ;)
 

ShooterMcMarco

Hall of Fame
Bungalo Bill said:
Shooter,

You don't need to name this. This is something I teach to beginners as their very first position.

Sorry to say this, but welcome to tennis 101! ;)
hehe, i guess a few steps backward is a big step forward for me because it helped me a lot. i've never had formal instruction so yeah :mrgreen:
 

Bungalo Bill

G.O.A.T.
ShooterMcMarco said:
hehe, i guess a few steps backward is a big step forward for me because it helped me a lot. i've never had formal instruction so yeah :mrgreen:
Yes, I agree with you. Glad you found some humor in this. Sometimes we need to take a step back to go forward. I like that and there is nothing wrong with that.

The only thing I would add to this is the non-dominant hand is on the throat of as long as possible this helps in the coiling rotation of the shoulders. This also allows you to use your non-dominant hand once you release it to help you see the ball as it comes into the contact zone. The hand acts as sort of a radar mechanism picking up the ball and helping with timing. Doing this will greatly benefit you in helping you not rotate out of the shot too soon.
 
Shooter & Bill: Are you guys talking about a backswing that (at it's furthest "takeback" point) has the hitting surface of the string bed facing towards the back fence, a la Moya, Capriati, Sharapova as opposed to Agassi's more compact backswing that has the string bed's hitting side facing more towards the court surface in a "pet the dog" fashion?

I'm asking because I couldn't really make heads or tails out of the drawings (btw, please don't get upset Shooter, your artwork shows an uncommon talent. I'm just not an expert on impressionistic stick figures) ;-)
 

Bungalo Bill

G.O.A.T.
DP,

The second step (patting the dog on the head) is what you are thinking. You would be very accurate in saying the "patting the dog on the head" step resembles more of an Agassi/Haas takeback as the racket is ready to come forward.

I think the picture above is more in reference to the general intial takeback that starts the takeback and before the "pat the dog on the head" for lack of a better phrase as you indicated.
 
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