Is 1HBH really a weakness in today's (professional) game?

Tsitsipas: cannot slices - which also hurts his returns. His FH also has too much spin to be a weapon on fast courts.

Shapovalov: his serve and his FH is just as inconsistent as his BH, okay?

Dimitrov: his problem is between his ears. In terms of techniques, perhaps inconsistent serves were his biggest weakness. Should have developed his own serves instead of copying Federer. Imagine Dimitrov with servebot serves, or at least something close to that (let's say Tsonga-level serve).
 
If you check the list of one-handers until Federer's generation, the majority of the most prominent one-handers were fast courters: Lendl, Edberg, Becker, Stich, Sampras, Krajicek, as well as the weaker ones such as Henman, Phillippoussis, Ljubicic, Srichaphan, Blake.


The generation before Federer the best one handed backhands were clay courter groundstrokes. Kuerten being the best one with no competition, but also people like Corretja, Costa, Mantilla, Gaudio, Squillari and many others. Basically, following the model of Vilas in the 70s, like Muster. The only men with great one handed backhands that were better on fast surfaces in the years before Federer, were Korda and Tommy Haas.
Edberg and Lendl are more than one generation before Federer, and Lendl was a dominant clay courter, one of those players who were best on clay and carpet, like Kafelnikov or Marc Rosset, while being relatively weak on grass.

The one hander used to be a shot of clay court specialists and serve volleyers, but for serve volleyers it was important because the idea used to be that people with one handed backhands would have a better slice and backhand volleys and better transition from the baseline to the net. Most serve volleyers didn't really have a one handed backhand that was a great baseline shot.
 
They should ban two handed backhands in tennis, and two handed bowlers in bowling. One handers are so much more interesting to watch.

The more I think about this, the less crazy it sounds. Also, I'm not even a bowler but that 2 handed kid's style is atrocious to watch, just like all the WTA shovel backhands on the ATP.

How could you phase it out over time?
 
2 HBH is taught to the young because, if taught correctly, both wings will progress fairly equally as they learn to play the game. If they teach the OHBH, chances are that the forehand will progress at a much faster rate than their back Hands. I tell people to go with what feels natural. i was a lifelong hockey player, shot lefty, but am right handed. When I finally took up tennis in my 30's, my instructor felt that a 2HBH would make sense because of My hockey background I always felt cramped on the side and unnatural hitting with my hands close together. i switched pros 6 months later and the new pro noticed I returned serve with one hand, every time. He taught me how to hit a 1 HBH topspin drive very easily and I never looked back. My son is just learning now, and he wants to hit a 1hbh because it looks cool, but he can't find the court with it. With 2 hands he is able to control the ball and has been able to actually rally very quickly from both sides, making the game much more enjoyable. I wish I could hit a 2HBH like some of the top women on tour, but it never felt natural to me so i worked on my 1HBH and over time it has become a very reliable shot for me.
BTW Stan''s BH IMO is the best in the game, one or two hands.
 
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Topspin 1hbh is a lot more prone to errors, regardless of how great the shot can be. This is why tennis academies and private coaches have been bringing up players on the 2hbh for a couple of generations now. I like the variation and attacking ability of the 1hbh but I think a player sacrifices too much on the return.
 
1BH looks stylish and classy but it is rubbish in the era of slow courts + Nadal, sorry to say that Rafael Nadal shown how he can bully someone's backhand in this era with significant advantage in footspeed.

Today a 2BH is the right weapon to have no flaws on both wings....

As long as the player is RIGHT-HANDED, his BH WILL get bullied by Nadal on clay, even if he got 2HBH.

Try name another counter-example of right handed 2HBH who can actually bullied back Nadal's FH in French Open EXCEPT that Soderling game.
 
As long as the player is RIGHT-HANDED, his BH WILL get bullied by Nadal on clay, even if he got 2HBH.

Try name another counter-example of right handed 2HBH who can actually bullied back Nadal's FH in French Open EXCEPT that Soderling game.

So that means we need a righty Nadal who is a younger and superior athlete to expose lefty Nadal ?
 
As long as the player is RIGHT-HANDED, his BH WILL get bullied by Nadal on clay, even if he got 2HBH.

Try name another counter-example of right handed 2HBH who can actually bullied back Nadal's FH in French Open EXCEPT that Soderling game.

does Nadal beat Djokovic on clay by breaking down his backhand like he does to Federer?
 
does Nadal beat Djokovic on clay by breaking down his backhand like he does to Federer?

Did most of the Djoker BH short balls in those games came from rallying with Nadal's cross-court FH or BH?

I don't recall Djoker's FH broke down and yield a lot of short balls for Nadal to attack either.
 
We need ANOTHER LEFTY Nadal to expose this lefty Nadal :laughing:

Wait... I think the Nadal school of topspin play is gonna extinct after Nadal :sick:

Nadal style is tough to execute, need someone with so much topspin and also with a lot of footspeed nd power....Someone from Spain would have grown up or will be growing up now modelling his game on Nadal, so wait and watch ..
 
Very different contact points and swing mechanics make this unreasonable at the top end.

My take on the slow death of the one-hander:

1) As courts slowed down and enabled movement to play a bigger role in the game, the advantages of the two-hander came to the for (control, returns, defensive ability) and the advantages of the one-hander (variety, spin, power, usually easier to slice and volley) fell away.

2) As players have become taller the average bounce height has increased making a two-hander a better shot to handle the extra height. Isner's serve is not hard because of the pace, but because of the BOUNCE. Ditto on Rafa's forehand.

3) As others have mentioned, youth results are heavily emphasized now - parents want results immediately, and few are willing to stick out a longer, slower path to improvement that the one-hander entails.

4) Grip change. As the forehand grip has become more extreme in recent decades (more western grips) the one-hander has become more difficult to change to in rallies. Fed only goes from eastern which is a much smaller change, but players like Kohlschreiber and Almagro ended up using the same side of the racquet on returns given how extreme their grips were. Works for return but is a hassle during quick rally exchanges.

5) WIth respect to taller players, having long limbs makes the two-hander an easier choice for big guys; you want control as you get super tall
Just wanted to comment on a few of these:
1) I think what happened to the 1HBH has to do with the style used by players from '90s and before. The 2HBH was much better for slower court, movement based tennis than the continental 1HBH. It wasn't until players like Kuerten, Haas, Robredo, Gonzalez, Fed, etc. pioneered the modern eastern/semi-western 1HBH. I think due to the 1HBH's evolution, it's even more of a slow court shot than the modern 2HBH since it has an elaborate takeback and requires more time and movement...which might be why the stronger 1H'ers back in the day were fast-courters like McEnroe, Becker, etc. but many of the strongest 1H'ers today are best on clay. Wawrinka, Thiem, Tsitsipas, Gasquet, Kohlschriber, even Musetti are examples of this. Even Cecchinato, who's just outside the top, has an amazing BH. Only current 1H'ers I can think of who are best on fast courts are Fed, Shapo, Lopez and Evans, but Evans slices like 80% of his BHs and Lopez hits topspin prolly once a match lol.

2) You're on to something with that one. The 2HBH seems to work way better for taller players, and it's still better for the RoS.

3) SO true. On top of that, the coaches don't want to put in the effort to differentiate their training/drill regimen to accommodate players that aren't righty/2HBH. I've dealt with this for as long as I've played. Coaches would act so inconvenienced by my leftiness whenever they'd have to change their drill and ball feeding setups for me. Oh, and don't get me started on how they dealt with my transition to a 1HBH. Now things tend to go pretty smoothly since my current coaches tend to focus more on my tactics than my strokes, and I've seen a marked improvement in my strokes over the past few months.

4) Interesting observation. I've seen Almagro talk about this with the Top Tennis Training guys, and noticed Kohlschriber doing this watching one of his old matches. Most 1H'ers today have semi-western FH's and eastern BH's, except Tsitsipas (eastern FH), which isn't too hard to switch to either. IME switching from sw FH to eastern BH is easy for me, but I see how it's a hassle switching grips from western FH to eastern or semi-western BH. Way easier to use the same grip at that point.
 
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The only men with great one handed backhands that were better on fast surfaces in the years before Federer, were Korda and Tommy Haas.
Henman also had good BH/BH returns as well. His relative lack of power was on both wings. And we also have Becker with Pete's prior generation, and Stich in Pete's generation (although Stich was a little older) - both were actually known for their BHs rather than FH.

Federer BH is better on fast court simply because it is the type of 1HBH (used by Edberg, Becker, Stich, Sampras) that excells on fast courts, with weaker grip, lower natural contact point and less loopy swings than say Thiem or Guga.


As for modern tennis, we have Dimitrov and Shapovalov who play better on fast courts.
Only current 1H'ers I can think of who are best on fast courts are Fed, Shapo, Lopez and Evans, but Evans slices like 80% of his BHs and Lopez hits topspin prolly once a match lol.
And Dimitrov
 
I vote for thbh is advantegeos today over ohbh.
I think it is in context with the retreat of the netplays too.
 
Maybe the ATP should just ban 2 handers. Basketball banned zone defense because the game was becoming boring. Hockey nerfed their defenses. NFL made it illegal to touch a QB or receiver.
Although this is pure fantasy and there's no justification to have rules about how to hold the racket, I must say that I am disappointed that I will never see all the crap backhands that would appear on the tour if this suddenly became the rule.
 
Henman also had good BH/BH returns as well. His relative lack of power was on both wings. And we also have Becker with Pete's prior generation, and Stich in Pete's generation (although Stich was a little older) - both were actually known for their BHs rather than FH.

Federer BH is better on fast court simply because it is the type of 1HBH (used by Edberg, Becker, Stich, Sampras) that excells on fast courts, with weaker grip, lower natural contact point and less loopy swings than say Thiem or Guga.


As for modern tennis, we have Dimitrov and Shapovalov who play better on fast courts.

And Dimitrov
Solid points about the older generation. Agreed on Fed's BH; part of his success on fast courts with it is his unrivaled ability to take it off the bounce, pretty much half-volleying it. He hits an eastern BH but has probably the most wrist strength of anyone on tour so where most players move back 5' or so and rip the BH Fed just flicks it away. Since his goal is usually to finish the point at the net he developed his BH into a shot he doesn't have to back up/give up court positioning for, and nobody else at the top has the wrist strength, dexterity, and technique to pull this off atm. Plus his slice is second to none so that takes pressure off his topspin.

Dimitrov plays his best tennis on medium-pace hard courts. He's OK on clay and OK on grass but he doesn't take time away from his opponents as well as Fed does and his shotmaking is less effective on clay, especially when it's cold and courts are slow.

As for Shapo, he's definitely a fast courter. He plays big, through the court, and seems to love to come up to net these days which is great for grass. Made a Wimby SF once he figured out how to move on grass. He's definitely weakest on clay because he doesn't adjust his game for the surface and instead blasts the ball regardless. EZ dubs for counterpunchers when he's not on or has to win the point multiple times.
 
Watching the Stockholm semifinals with Denis Shapovalov today. What an amazing backhand, anything but weakness. Attacks as hard as with forehand, deep and shoots thru the court, opens up huge topspin angles, very consistent as well. Rock-solid returns. One of those earned him the crucial breakpoint in the tail-end of the second set.

Liability? No
 
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