Is 2019 a weak year or strong year

Was this a weak year


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nolefam_2024

Bionic Poster
2019 had 2 big 3 final in slams, winner of each slam a big 3, big 3 in ATP top 3.

There were 4 big 3 matches in slams.

Best matches in slams were

Djokovic Federer Wimbledon
Wawrinka Tsitsipas Roland Garros
Nadal Medvedev USOpen
Federer Nadal Wimbledon
RBA vs Murray AO

Best non slam matches were
Thiem vs Djokovic atp finals
Thiem vs Federer IW
Kyrgios vs Tsitsipas Citi open
Tsitsipas vs Thiem ATP finals
Djokovic vs Delpo Rome

Winners of masters were like this.

IW Thiem
Miami Federer
Monte Carlo fognini
Madrid Djokovic
Rome Nadal
Rogers cup Nadal
Cincinnati Medvedev
Shanghai Medvedev
Paris Djokovic

Was this a weak year or not
 
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Beerus

Guest
Better competition than in 2022-23 with Kwon, Tsitsipas and Van Rijthoven.
 

nolefam_2024

Bionic Poster
Well, didn't the so called career inflation era start in 2017?

So I guess it is all lame since then.
2017/2020/2022 is the worst three year in last 20 years. It can be proven easily. I think we all will agree 2019 is better than 2017.
 

nolefam_2024

Bionic Poster
In other words, the years which were not as good for Djokovic. That's your only criteria.

Must be why they became weak.

Ruud at world number 3 Dimitrov world number 3. 2 years when Djokovic was either injured or Banned. It makes me perfect sense.

2020 is weak for everyone and it's no one's fault. It is pandemic year. Once in a century event.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
Better than the years that have come afterwards, but still pretty weak overall. A 38 year old would have won a slam in what is supposedly the most physical era of tennis, so yeah.
 

StrongRule

Talk Tennis Guru
Must be why they became weak.

Ruud at world number 3 Dimitrov world number 3. 2 years when Djokovic was either injured or Banned. It makes me perfect sense.

2020 is weak for everyone and it's no one's fault. It is pandemic year. Once in a century event.
2021 and especially 2023 were the weakest years ever.
 

fedfan24

Hall of Fame
around 2003 level, mediocre but has some good big 3 matches. Slight step up from 2017/2018 and definitely stronger than anything since 2020 which is graveyard/hyperinflation territory.
 

fedfan24

Hall of Fame
Worst years in previous 20 years is pretty easily 2021>2022>2020>>>2023. Then you’ve got your 2016-2019, 16-18 similar with 19 top.

Then you’ve got your 2006/2010/2015, weak but strong top guy. Then you’ve got middle of pack, 2004-2005, 2013-2014 then finally the strong years 2007-2009/2011-2012.
 

BauerAlmeida

Hall of Fame
2021 and especially 2023 were the weakest years ever.


2023 had Djokovic, Alcaraz, Sinner, Medvedev, Rublev, Tsitsipas, Zverev and Rune. That's a strong top 8 and for sure stronger than 2022 than had Ruud as #3, FAA at #6, Medvedev in a slump at #7 and the best player in the world at #5 not allowed to play.
 

StrongRule

Talk Tennis Guru
2023 had Djokovic, Alcaraz, Sinner, Medvedev, Rublev, Tsitsipas, Zverev and Rune. That's a strong top 8 and for sure stronger than 2022 than had Ruud as #3, FAA at #6, Medvedev in a slump at #7 and the best player in the world at #5 not allowed to play.
Yeah, because according to you, a strong player is one who always loses easily to Djokovic. If next year Djokovic wins all 4 slams without losing a set, you will say that was the strongest year in history.
 

fedfan24

Hall of Fame
Yeah, because according to you, a strong player is one who always loses easily to Djokovic. If next year Djokovic wins all 4 slams without losing a set, you will say that was the strongest year in history.
Yea that top 8 was shocking at slams other than Alcaraz at Wimbledon. The rest did absolutely nothing. Medvedev was best of the bunch, but in the US final but he lost meekly in straights.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
2023 had Djokovic, Alcaraz, Sinner, Medvedev, Rublev, Tsitsipas, Zverev and Rune. That's a strong top 8 and for sure stronger than 2022 than had Ruud as #3, FAA at #6, Medvedev in a slump at #7 and the best player in the world at #5 not allowed to play.
Had it been a strong top 8, Djokovic would not have achieved his easiest multi slam year of his career.
 

jl809

Legend
2023 had Djokovic, Alcaraz, Sinner, Medvedev, Rublev, Tsitsipas, Zverev and Rune. That's a strong top 8 and for sure stronger than 2022 than had Ruud as #3, FAA at #6, Medvedev in a slump at #7 and the best player in the world at #5 not allowed to play.

Whilst i agree about 2023 vs 2022, let’s have a talk about 2023 as a “strong” top 8, shall we?

It’s Djokovic, then 2 decent guys (Meddy and Alc) who incidentally won most of their stuff this year without actually having to play Djokovic en route, and who couldn’t even get consistent results across every single part of the season (and never played anywhere near the standard of the top guys 10-15 years ago)….

That’s … fine.. kinda crap for a top 3, but anyway…
… then it’s
  • Sinner (best result in a slam was one single SF which he lost in straights)
  • Rublev (best slam result was some QFs, at least he won MC against basically no-one)
  • Tsitsipas (the less we say here the better… 1-8 W/L Vs top 10 players and a mid 60s win %… incredible)
  • Zverev and Rune (I literally cannot name a single meaningful thing these guys did except Rune beating Crapovic in Rome)
If this is a strong field then so is pretty much every year’s ever, including for example “weak era” years like 04 (in which world number 8 Agassi managed to win Cincy, reach the AO SF with that crazy match vs Safin and nearly take down Peak Fed at the USO)
 

nolefam_2024

Bionic Poster
Whilst i agree about 2023 vs 2022, let’s have a talk about 2023 as a “strong” top 8, shall we?

It’s Djokovic, then 2 decent guys (Meddy and Alc) who incidentally won most of their stuff this year without actually having to play Djokovic en route, and who couldn’t even get consistent results across every single part of the season (and never played anywhere near the standard of the top guys 10-15 years ago)….

That’s … fine.. kinda crap for a top 3, but anyway…
… then it’s
  • Sinner (best result in a slam was one single SF which he lost in straights)
  • Rublev (best slam result was some QFs, at least he won MC against basically no-one)
  • Tsitsipas (the less we say here the better… 1-8 W/L Vs top 10 players and a mid 60s win %… incredible)
  • Zverev and Rune (I literally cannot name a single meaningful thing these guys did except Rune beating Crapovic in Rome)
If this is a strong field then so is pretty much every year’s ever, including for example “weak era” years like 04 (in which world number 8 Agassi managed to win Cincy, reach the AO SF with that crazy match vs Safin and nearly take down Peak Fed at the USO)
15 years ago today top 3 was big 3.

You can compare them to big 3.

You can compare from 16 to 20 years ago. That's 2003 to 2007. Vs 2022 they look ok. Alcaraz won Wimbledon vs Djokovic. Who won anything vs fed apart from RG.
 

BauerAlmeida

Hall of Fame
Whilst i agree about 2023 vs 2022, let’s have a talk about 2023 as a “strong” top 8, shall we?

It’s Djokovic, then 2 decent guys (Meddy and Alc) who incidentally won most of their stuff this year without actually having to play Djokovic en route, and who couldn’t even get consistent results across every single part of the season (and never played anywhere near the standard of the top guys 10-15 years ago)….

That’s … fine.. kinda crap for a top 3, but anyway…
… then it’s
  • Sinner (best result in a slam was one single SF which he lost in straights)
  • Rublev (best slam result was some QFs, at least he won MC against basically no-one)
  • Tsitsipas (the less we say here the better… 1-8 W/L Vs top 10 players and a mid 60s win %… incredible)
  • Zverev and Rune (I literally cannot name a single meaningful thing these guys did except Rune beating Crapovic in Rome)
If this is a strong field then so is pretty much every year’s ever, including for example “weak era” years like 04 (in which world number 8 Agassi managed to win Cincy, reach the AO SF with that crazy match vs Safin and nearly take down Peak Fed at the USO)


Sinner also showed great level at the YEC: Rublev made the QF at Wimbledon and both HC slams and won a M1000 on clay. Rune beat Djokovic in Rome making the final there and also in MC, showed he played on all surfaces in Wimbledon. Zverev is a very accomplished player, no need to mention everything he did, if he is one of the weakest of the top 8 it shows good depth. Same for Tsitsipas who is a multiple slam finalist who was one set away from beating all the Big 3 at slams.

And you are selling Medvedev and Alcaraz short, Medvedev had one of his best-ever performances in the SF at the USO and Alcaraz won Wimbledon beating Djokovic in 5.


It obviously doesn't compare with a strong Big 3 + 2 year but it wasn't bad. Better than the early 2000s when you had Clement, Schuettler and Verkerk making slam finals.
 

fedfan24

Hall of Fame
2004 had a strong top 8 and Federer achieved an easy three-slam year.
This is a stretch, surely.
04 AO had Ferrero, Nalbandian Hewitt and a gassed Safin. Still was 3/4 slam champions, with 2 of them dominating Federer pre 2004. Compared to 23 Tommy Paul and Tsitsipas one is a very tough draw the other is a procession to the title.
RG was a freebie thanks to Alcaraz injury. Kuerten is a legit clay ATG who played a great match rolling back the years.
W has Hewitt and Roddick playing very well vs Alcaraz. Edge to 04.
USO had a very strong Agassi and Hewitt who was rolled over rather easily. Compared to Shelton and Medvedev, 04 easily wins.

04 can be compared to 2015. 21/23 are new level of weak years.
 

Krish0608

G.O.A.T.
2023 had Djokovic, Alcaraz, Sinner, Medvedev, Rublev, Tsitsipas, Zverev and Rune. That's a strong top 8 and for sure stronger than 2022 than had Ruud as #3, FAA at #6, Medvedev in a slump at #7 and the best player in the world at #5 not allowed to play.
You’re just throwing names here. Alcaraz went AWOL after Wimbledon (not to mention his embarrassing cramping after 2 sets at RG). Sinner flopped in all the slams. Medvedev is no threat to any great player who has an aggressive gear (although kudos to him for playing a genuinely great match against Carlos at the USO. His best ever. Predictably went back to his true level in the final). Rublev was and is never going to be any threat whatsoever, let’s be real here. Tsitsipas was awful the entire year barring AO. He’s probably done as a top player. Rune is very far away from his peak potential and is not really a great challenge in 2023. 2020-2023 has been consistently awful.
 

RS

Bionic Poster
Who played a higher level?

1. Thiem AO 20 final or Roddick USO 03 SF
2. Nadal USO 11 final or Djokovic RG 21 SF
3. Djokovic Wim 14 final or Nadal RG 17 SF
4. Agassi AO 95 final or Djokovic Wim 15 final
5. Djokovic AO 14 QF or Roddick Wim 04 final
6. Del Potro USO 09 SF or Federer AO 09 final
7. Nadal Wim 18 SF or Federer AO 11 SF
 
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mike danny

Bionic Poster
Who played a higher level?

1. Thiem AO 20 final or Roddick USO 03 SF
2. Nadal USO 11 final or Djokovic RG 21 SF
3. Djokovic Wim 14 final or Nadal RG 17 SF - dunno
4. Agassi AO 95 final or Djokovic Wim 15 final - tied
5. Djokovic AO 14 QF or Roddick Wim 04 final
6. Del Potro USO 09 SF or Federer AO 09 final
7. Nadal Wim 18 SF or Federer AO 11 SF
Regarding number 7, I've repeatedly heard of Fed's BH malfunctioning in the 2005 USO F, but I've rarely heard people talk about this in the AO 2011 SF. Wonder why....
 

RS

Bionic Poster
Regarding number 7, I've repeatedly heard of Fed's BH malfunctioning in the 2005 USO F, but I've rarely heard people talk about this in the AO 2011 SF. Wonder why....
Well you can always open a thread and find out.
 

AnOctorokForDinner

Talk Tennis Guru
Who played a higher level?

1. Thiem AO 20 final or Roddick USO 03 SF
2. Nadal USO 11 final or Djokovic RG 21 SF
3. Djokovic Wim 14 final or Nadal RG 17 SF
4. Agassi AO 95 final or Djokovic Wim 15 final
5. Djokovic AO 14 QF or Roddick Wim 04 final
6. Del Potro USO 09 SF or Federer AO 09 final
7. Nadal Wim 18 SF or Federer AO 11 SF
Roddick
tie
Nadal
Djokovic
dunno
tie
Nadal
 
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mike danny

Bionic Poster
Roddick > Thiem
Yes, Roddick > Thiem, but I think the USO SF was Roddick's worst match of the tournament for him, while Thiem at the very least played as well as he could for his standards in the AO F. You could say Thiem overperformed, while Roddick underperformed in their respective matches.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
Yes, Roddick > Thiem, but I think the USO SF was Roddick's worst match of the tournament for him, while Thiem at the very least played as well as he could for his standards in the AO F. You could say Thiem overperformed, while Roddick underperformed in their respective matches.
Thiem started stronger but Roddick finished stronger.
 
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