Is ATP's decision to speed up the slow courts rushed and moronic?

[InsideOut900]

That is how I feel,ATP are desperate to prove sth probably.
A slight boost in speed for certain courts would have been ok,but now he have.
Paris Masters-approaching the level of Decoturf(acceptable)
O2-medium paced,fastest it has been since 2008 I think.
If both Paris and Shanghai are playing rather fast,at least make this one slow.

And now the AO lmao,the court that is supposed to be slow.

And now I bet that the 'fast' Slams,which shpuld have been speed up instead will still remain medium paced,so now most HC and Wimbledon will play medium.

 

[Fedfan34]

I think its just a conspiracy against Nole, Rafa, and Murray. Specifically, it is a pro-Rogi conspiracy.

Shhh, cat is outta the bag.

 

[-NN-]

It isn't supposed to be anything. And it wasn't "fast", for the record.

 

[VexlanderPrime]

If it shakes up the tour a bit I welcome it.

 

[MasterZeb]

Huh? So you're saying because Paris , a masters, is medium paced, a grand slam like the Australian open should be slow? Foolish comparison.

 

[MasterZeb]

Huh? So you're saying because Paris , a masters, is medium paced, a grand slam like the Australian open should be slow? Foolish comparison.

 

[Chadillac]

Suits complain about he length of matches, this is also a great solution for the fans

 

[Noelan]

That is how I feel,ATP are desperate to prove sth probably.
A slight boost in speed for certain courts would have been ok,but now he have.
Paris Masters-approaching the level of Decoturf(acceptable)
O2-medium paced,fastest it has been since 2008 I think.
If both Paris and Shanghai are playing rather fast,at least make this one slow.

And now the AO lmao,the court that is supposed to be slow.

And now I bet that the 'fast' Slams,which shpuld have been speed up instead will still remain medium paced,so now most HC and Wimbledon will play medium.

No, allowed Federer 18GS , so it's all good.
Btw its not only court but lighter balls, less spin

 

[reaper]

The Australian Open is an ITF rather than ATP tournament? I think that's right.

 

[Bartelby]

The Slams are run under the auspices of the national associations and the ITF and are not run by the ATP.

This would have been a decision of the tournament director in consultation with Tennis Australia.

That is how I feel,ATP are desperate to prove sth probably.
A slight boost in speed for certain courts would have been ok,but now he have.
Paris Masters-approaching the level of Decoturf(acceptable)
O2-medium paced,fastest it has been since 2008 I think.
If both Paris and Shanghai are playing rather fast,at least make this one slow.

And now the AO lmao,the court that is supposed to be slow.

And now I bet that the 'fast' Slams,which shpuld have been speed up instead will still remain medium paced,so now most HC and Wimbledon will play medium.

 

[canta_Brian]

Ignoring the players, the two contrasting styles of tennis that made the final would suggest to me the court was a pretty well balanced speed.

 

[reaper]

The Slams are run under the auspices of the national associations and the ITF and are not run by the ATP.

This would have been a decision of the tournament director in consultation with Tennis Australia.

It may not have been a decision at all. The courts had the same composition as last year but were laid earlier. The longer a court is down the faster it plays. Rod Laver is used for events other than tennis. It may be as simple as access to the venue to lay the courts was earlier this year than previously.

 

[canta_Brian]

Deleted duplicate

 

[I am the Greatest!]

No, allowed Federer 18GS , so it's all good.
Btw its not only court but lighter balls, less spin

Wow, you serious? 41.3 for the AO? Faster than US?

They should get Wimbledon back to 45.

 

[I am the Greatest!]

No, allowed Federer 18GS , so it's all good.
Btw its not only court but lighter balls, less spin

Wow, you serious? 41.3 for the AO? Faster than US?

They should get Wimbledon back to 45.

 

[Bartelby]

That's probably accurate, but the organizers would know this because year after year the commentators make note of the outer court versus main courts speeds in relation to the time of laying down the courts.

It may not have been a decision at all. The courts had the same composition as last year but were laid earlier. The longer a court is down the faster it plays. Rod Laver is used for events other than tennis. It may be as simple as access to the venue to lay the courts was earlier this year than previously.

 

[timnz]

That is how I feel,ATP are desperate to prove sth probably.
A slight boost in speed for certain courts would have been ok,but now he have.
Paris Masters-approaching the level of Decoturf(acceptable)
O2-medium paced,fastest it has been since 2008 I think.
If both Paris and Shanghai are playing rather fast,at least make this one slow.

And now the AO lmao,the court that is supposed to be slow.

And now I bet that the 'fast' Slams,which shpuld have been speed up instead will still remain medium paced,so now most HC and Wimbledon will play medium.

Why do you say it is 'supposed to be slow'? We have suffered for years under a regime where the majority of tournaments are played on slow to slow-medium surfaces. It was like a breath of fresh air this years Australian open.

 

[timnz]

That is how I feel,ATP are desperate to prove sth probably.
A slight boost in speed for certain courts would have been ok,but now he have.
Paris Masters-approaching the level of Decoturf(acceptable)
O2-medium paced,fastest it has been since 2008 I think.
If both Paris and Shanghai are playing rather fast,at least make this one slow.

And now the AO lmao,the court that is supposed to be slow.

And now I bet that the 'fast' Slams,which shpuld have been speed up instead will still remain medium paced,so now most HC and Wimbledon will play medium.

Why do you say it is 'supposed to be slow'. We have suffered for years under a regime where the majority of tournaments are played on slow to slow-medium surfaces. It was like a breath of fresh air this years Australian open.

 

[checkmilu]

It's exactly the same materials, just different time when they put the layers a bit earlier. This may just due to the construction guys Fed should return some cash to those contractors

 

[checkmilu]

It's exactly the same materials, just different time when they put the layers a bit earlier. This may just due to the construction guys Fed should return some cash to the

 

[InsideOut900]

Why do you say it is 'supposed to be slow'.

AO is part of the Miami-IW-AO triple,played on slow HC and then we have clay with 2nd part of the season featuring the faster courts(grass and decoturf).
So on paper,it should be slow,because this is how the tour calendar is designed.

I made this thread not because of Fed's win as some would say(though he clearly liked the court),but because their is a tendancy to 'repair' what has been done the last 10 years by speeding up ALL,which looks like a very forced and unnatural thing to do.
We are currently in the other extreme,where 7/9 HC play either medium or medium-fast.

 

[-NN-]

AO has ******** to do with IW and Miami.

Next.

 

[TheMusicLover]

LOL. Whenever Fed makes a final, the court is supposed to be lightning fast. Whenever Nadal makes a final, it's supposed to be slow-as-molasses.
Oh, wait...
So tell me now... what was it this time?

As already said, the ATP has nothing to do with decisions made about court speeds at ITF-tournaments.
Seriously though, it seemed like indeed this AO-surface was speeded up quite a bit, imho a sheer relief from all of the insomnia-inducing push-push-push 30+ endless defensive games we've been forced to watch in the past couple of years. Fed managed to adjust to it, and so did Nadal! - and all my compliments to Nadal for this matter.

Misha Zverev, in particular, sent a clear message by Stakhovsky-'ing Murray: winning matches by playing an attacking S/V-style is still possible, if only you are willing to have the guts and play attacking tennis, enabled by this court surface. And so did, to a lesser extent, Dimitrov and Federer.

A clear breath of fresh air.

 

[SinjinCooper]

Courts were slow. That's why Nadal was relevant.

The original decision to slow them down over a one year period was rushed and moronic, and largely destroyed both strategy and depth of field in tennis in an instant. Faster tennis balls helped right that overnight. We'll see if they're here to stay, but that was the best start-to-finish slam in a decade and a half. Struck a great balance between allowing skilled baseline play and all court play to succeed. But put the damper on mindless metronome play. You had to bring something to the table for the first time in years, and guys who couldn't were ushered to the dumpster unceremoniously.

Death to grinding.

 

[Russeljones]

That is how I feel,ATP are desperate to prove sth probably.
A slight boost in speed for certain courts would have been ok,but now he have.
Paris Masters-approaching the level of Decoturf(acceptable)
O2-medium paced,fastest it has been since 2008 I think.
If both Paris and Shanghai are playing rather fast,at least make this one slow.

And now the AO lmao,the court that is supposed to be slow.

And now I bet that the 'fast' Slams,which shpuld have been speed up instead will still remain medium paced,so now most HC and Wimbledon will play medium.

The fastest court on Tour is still only medium fast. Get this through your thick head.

 

[Gazelle]

AO was never supposed to be as slow as this past 8 years of slow as molasses plexicushion. But OP thinks AO has been like this since the beginning of time, as he was only born a few years ago and has not yet learned the concept of history.

 

[BGod]

Unless Carpet and fast grass is coming back I don't care. Clay was suppose to be the only slow surface.

 

[Vanhool]

AO used to be on grass. Maybe not as fast as Wimbledon, but I'm sure not as slow as molasses. Less hot for the players, too.

 

[Kalin]

The fastest court on Tour is still only medium fast. Get this through your thick head.

True that. Had courts been truly fast Roger would be on 22+ Slams already and Andy would have to buy a ticket to the final in order to see how the Wimbledon trophy looks like up close

 

[DRII]

I think its just a conspiracy against Nole, Rafa, and Murray. Specifically, it is a pro-Rogi conspiracy.

Shhh, cat is outta the bag.

how is it a conspiracy against Nadal?

he made it to the final of AO and very well could have won it

again, Nadal does not mind fast conditions, he just prefers a higher bounce!

get it straight...

 

[bjsnider]

The Australian Open is an ITF rather than ATP tournament? I think that's right.

That's correct. The majors have nothing at all to do with the ATP. The ball used by the AO this year, which seems to have had such a huge effect on the results, will not be used by the ATP. Of course, maybe some ATP tournament owners will see the effect this ball had on the tournament, and decide to use a similar ball at their events. If they want Fedberg at that back end of the thing, use a lighter, harder ball that doesn't bounce so high. Personally I think Djokovic and the Muzzard, along with the other baseliners, would in any case adjust quickly. But, at least it might speed up the matches.

 

[speedysteve]

The fastest court on Tour is still only medium fast. Get this through your thick head.

Are you including Newport? That is old school bumpy fast grass isn't it?

 

[Sentinel]

I think its just a conspiracy against Nole, Rafa, and Murray. Specifically, it is a pro-Rogi conspiracy.

Shhh, cat is outta the bag.

And here I thought they fastened conditions so that Kyrgios could start raking in the slams !

 

[I am the Greatest!]

Courts were slow. That's why Nadal was relevant.

Is that 41.3 court speed really legit? 41 is a bit fast. Can you give some insights on that?

 

[I am the Greatest!]

WOW TTW now as fast as Shanghai court. LOL

 

[Bender]

Normally I'd be content to bash a thread like this for being moronic, but all those posts over the years by equally mornic posters accusing Toni Nadal and the Majorcan mafia paying the ITF and ATP to slow down the courts in Rafa's favour has got me a whole lot less willing to bash this thread and lot more willing to see how this trainwreck of a thread unravels.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

Ze Vamos a la playa Brigade.

Their anger I sense.

 

[Deleted member 688153]

It's good, wise, and long overdue.
They should vary speeds and conditions from year to year to make multiple and consecutive titles more meaningful.

 

[MichaelNadal]

Tennis now is def more entertaining than ace-fests. As much as I agree it should definitely be more VARIED, it shouldn't be slow all year, but overall, now is a better mix than BOOM-BOOM-POW.

 

[Deleted member 688153]

Also, Murrovic final successfully avoided. ITF's main job for 2017 done to perfection.

 

[MichaelNadal]

Also, Murrovic final successfully avoided. ITF's main job for 2017 done to perfection.

Amen. The 80% increase in ratings says it all enough pong.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

Tennis now is def more entertaining than ace-fests. As much as I agree it should definitely be more VARIED, it shouldn't be slow all year, but overall, now is a better mix than BOOM-BOOM-POW.

There was never a time when it was only or even predominantly "BOOM-BOOM-POW".

 

[MichaelNadal]

There was never a time when it was only or even predominantly "BOOM-BOOM-POW".

You know what I mean though

 

[Wander]

I just want there to be plenty of variety with the speeds of the courts. That's one of the things that makes tennis so special compared to just about any other sport.

 

[I am the Greatest!]

It should be:

Australia: True bounce, medium slow.
France: High bounce, slow
SW19: Low bounce, fast
New York: True bounce, fast

 

[junior74]

Tennis now is def more entertaining than ace-fests. As much as I agree it should definitely be more VARIED, it shouldn't be slow all year, but overall, now is a better mix than BOOM-BOOM-POW.

Isner R2, Karlovic R3, Raonic QF.

Very little BOOM-BOOM-POW.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

You know what I mean though

Sure.

However, first strike tennis has its beauty and place and if it was getting special attention it was because of its importance at some of the most important events.

I am sure that the spaniards felt angry that their playinmg ground was not getting enough attention (and they respectively not that much endorsements), but they don't get to screw tennis because of their petty wishes.

That is all.