Is Babolat really the best?

Slash007

Rookie
I am really curious as to how Babolat's marketing strategy differs from the other major brands. It's genius considering how many college players and up and coming juniors use Babolat. Maybe they are just better at scouting talent at the junior level? Haha
I believe their secret is to use the image of the players to match the play style that work best with the racquets. Nadal do not use the current APD, but the current APD is great at baseline heavy topspin bashing. The same goes to Roddick and the serving machine that the PD is. The APD is just slightly polarized at noon and stiff for torsional off center hits, the PD is just stiff at the throat but with a relative thin beam and add a built in dampener to both. It is not brilliant but it is really neat. Also their high performance strings are lower powered ( compared to lux) which work well with their frames.
No other brand has such a well balanced package( I believe Wilson understood it with the RF97)
Babolat reps are looking at consumers and taking good care of the pros at an early age. Also on a side note, Rodick was such a blast to see he just got pissed and it worked, how they managed to get him and the superb destiny from pro kennex. That I would really like to know.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
The worst spec quality is Wilson and the worst build quality is Babolat.

Between Head, Wilson and Yonex there's not much to choose from in terms of overall quality if you get an on-spec exemplar.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
The worst spec quality is Wilson and the worst build quality is Babolat.

Between Head, Wilson and Yonex there's not much to choose from in terms of overall quality if you get an on-spec exemplar.
I'm not a fan of the Prince grip and their racquets so I won't judge them on the one I have.
 

spinovic

Hall of Fame
My opinion is that there is little, if any, difference in the quality of most good racquet brands. So in that sense, I wouldn't say they're better.

I think where they've excelled is 1) creating the "perfect" frames for modern tennis with the PD and APD and 2) marketing simple, easy to follow racquet lines. Each line has a standard, Lite, and Plus model, with some featuring Tour and/or Team models. Sometimes less is more when it comes to choices.

Other racquet lines have created frames, or made existing ones stiffer, and they're always compared to the PD or APD. So, the perception, whether true or not, is that other manufacturers are trying to create their own version of those two. And Babolat benefits from that.
 

g4driver

Legend
Can you please elaborate why, in your opinion, Dunlop is the worst racquet company?
To be brief, Dunlop doesn't have an identity. They don't know who they are or who their customers are. IDAPT is a epic failure. Biomimetic- really ? A term 98% of the population had never heard of, couldn't pronounce, nor understand what it did. That's my view and I don't think I am the minority in this view.
Look at Dunlop pre-biomimetic, there was no 400 series, and the average 3.5 to 4.0 guy had to pick a 300/300 Tour or a 500/500 Tour.

Nope, Dunlop doesn't understand tennis . Yes they make some frames, but clearly IMO, they don't know what rec customers need or want. And their tennis balls are pure crap compared to these three balls: Penn ATP, Penn Marathon, Wilson US Open on Har-Tru.

At my local club with 19 courts, excluding the 10,000 seat Stadium, they only sell Dunlop frames and Dunlop balls. Maybe one out of 25 players has a Dunlop frame. And that's a stretch.

And every person I have convinced to buy PENN ATP balls, has told me they will never play with Dunlop tennis balls by choice again. Penn ATP balls are cheaper,, play better and last longer. No brainier

Nope there is no doubt in mind which company is the worse tennis company - Dunlop takes that honor dominating like Secretariat back in 1973.
 

Roland G

Hall of Fame
To be brief, Dunlop doesn't have an identity. They don't know who they are or who their customers are. IDAPT is a epic failure. Biomimetic- really ? A term 98% of the population had never heard of, couldn't pronounce, nor understand what it did. That's my view and I don't think I am the minority in this view.
Look at Dunlop pre-biomimetic, there was no 400 series, and the average 3.5 to 4.0 guy had to pick a 300/300 Tour or a 500/500 Tour.

Nope, Dunlop doesn't understand tennis . Yes they make some frames, but clearly IMO, they don't know what rec customers need or want. And their tennis balls are pure crap compared to these three balls: Penn ATP, Penn Marathon, Wilson US Open on Har-Tru.

At my local club with 19 courts, excluding the 10,000 seat Stadium, they only sell Dunlop frames and Dunlop balls. Maybe one out of 25 players has a Dunlop frame. And that's a stretch.

And every person I have convinced to buy PENN ATP balls, has told me they will never play with Dunlop tennis balls by choice again. Penn ATP balls are cheaper,, play better and last longer. No brainier

Nope there is no doubt in mind which company is the worse tennis company - Dunlop takes that honor dominating like Secretariat back in 1973.
Well put. I suppose I would have to agree with most of your points. Thing is, I kinda have a soft spot for the Bio and F/M frames they released over the last few years. To get to my current frames - f3.0 Tours - I demoed countless frames from all the brands and just found it (for me) to be the best out there. I'm aware that this puts me in the minority. Actually, where I play I'd say I'm the only one using a Dunlop! Would agree wholeheartedly about the balls - good for one set, complete rubbish after. Anyhow, I'd still love to see Dunlop get their act together, lose the bolt-together toys and put out a decent range.
 

g4driver

Legend
Well put. I suppose I would have to agree with most of your points. Thing is, I kinda have a soft spot for the Bio and F/M frames they released over the last few years. To get to my current frames - f3.0 Tours - I demoed countless frames from all the brands and just found it (for me) to be the best out there. I'm aware that this puts me in the minority. Actually, where I play I'd say I'm the only one using a Dunlop! Would agree wholeheartedly about the balls - good for one set, complete rubbish after. Anyhow, I'd still love to see Dunlop get their act together, lose the bolt-together toys and put out a decent range.
I think the 300 series were their best frames. It just seems someone who doesn't play or understand tennis is running the Dunlop Tennis division.
 
I think the 300 series were their best frames. It just seems someone who doesn't play or understand tennis is running the Dunlop Tennis division.
Yes, their 300 series was very good. Their 200 series was also very good, particularly the 4d 200 and 4d 200 tour in my opinion.
 

g4driver

Legend
Yes, their 300 series was very good. Their 200 series was also very good, particularly the 4d 200 and 4d 200 tour in my opinion.
The 200s were great for 4.5+ US Men, but Dunlop just doesn't fit the 3.0 women to 4.0 men crowd, which is probably 85 to 90% of the tennis playing public in the U.S.

I can't imagine they fare much better in Europe.
 

hoodjem

G.O.A.T.
Is Babolat really the best racket brand? Or are people conforming...following their idols and falling into the trap of clever marketing? Almost everyone around me plays with babolat and have this aura that its the best...no argument. What am I missing here?
You were absent the day they passed out cups of Babolat Kool-aid.
 

Snipe

New User
I'm shocked at how good the APD is every time I have a hit with one. Over the last couple months, I've been alternating between PT57a with gut/poly hybrid, PT57a with full poly, TFight LTD poly/gut primarily, and occasionally mixing in IGPP / IGRP. I gave my friends old, beat to hell APD with old strings a shot yesterday and was SHOCKED at how easy it was to hit, and how great the results were even when I was not.

I haven't hit any of their other racquets, but the APD is a pretty amazing stick, so maybe?
 

esgee48

G.O.A.T.
How come no one mentions that the APD and PD are base on ProKennex molds (Destiny & Presence lines). Anywho, I played with the PK lines and did not like them. I demo'ed the APD and PD. Both are too hollow for for old guy like me. Prefer Head type tweeners as they're better built as well as beefier. 2 cents.
 

mxmx

Hall of Fame
I suspect the OP had his tongue in his cheek when he posted this. The topic never goes away however - or at least not until we have the next young superstar wielding a different stick.
Hi guys..let me get this straight. I did not ask the question if babolat is the best because I believe they are the best...

I always liked prince as both rackets and a brand. But in recent years wilson overtook them for me as a racket. (I actually hate wilson as a brand but believe they are the best rackets available where I live in comparison to price).

I cannot stand the feel of head....as for dunlop I believe theyre the best value for money if you can stand them.

I have not played with thinner babolat frames, but to me the PD and APD did not feel that much better to my similar stiff wide bodied wilson surge (2011)...not enough to justify the 3 X the price I got mine for...

Babolat irritates me as another user also stated. I cannot like a racket everyone likes...it is against who I am as a person...I struggle with conformity and don't like totalitarian rackets :p
 
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