Is currently Medvedev level hogher than all of Murray's past Aus open campaigns?

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Hall of Fame
Next Gen vs Murray would have been fun just to see how they'd do.

It's already fun against Zverev.
He'd make meals out of Shapo and Zverev, he probably beats Thiem everywhere outside clay too. Stefanos and Med could prove to be tougher match-ups for Murray though
 

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Hall of Fame
Medvedev is currently on a 20 match winning streak, he's beaten 11 top 10 players in that run. With all due respect to Murray, who I really do respect, I can't remember Andy doing anything like this.

Daniil's level for me is very high, if he can beat the Serbian wall (always comes back) that's a whole other ballgame.
If he does beat Djoker tomorrow, I might go as far as to say, no one besides the big 3 in the last 20 years has ever gone on a streak like this. 21-match win streak winning Bercy, WTF, ATP Cup, and AO (beating Djoker in the finals), and 12 wins vs top ten players....that's as on fire as you can get. Not to mention, he also made 6 straight finals in late 2019, if he didn't run into Rafa three times, he could've gone nearly unbeaten from Montreal until the WTF.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
If he does beat Djoker tomorrow, I might go as far as to say, no one besides the big 3 in the last 20 years has ever gone on a streak like this. 21-match win streak winning Bercy, WTF, ATP Cup, and AO (beating Djoker in the finals), and 12 wins vs top ten players....that's as on fire as you can get. Not to mention, he also made 6 straight finals in late 2019, if he didn't run into Rafa three times, he could've gone nearly unbeaten from Montreal until the WTF.
Med ran into Rafa twice, not 3 times during his finals streak in 2019. He lost to Chardy in Paris and to Tsitsipas in his first WTF match anyway before even playing Rafa a 3rd time.
 

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Med ran into Rafa twice, not 3 times during his finals streak in 2019. He lost to Chardy in Paris and to Tsitsipas in his first WTF match anyway before even playing Rafa a 3rd time.
Yeah but I think he could've won the WTF that year if he didn't blow that match against the Spaniard. Had he won he would've beaten Zverev in the rubber match and I believe he would've played Thiem in the semis and then his pigeon Stefanos in the finals.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
Yeah but I think he could've won the WTF that year if he didn't blow that match against the Spaniard. Had he won he would've beaten Zverev in the rubber match and I believe he would've played Thiem in the semis and then his pigeon Stefanos in the finals.
We'll never know.

Meddy did seem done to me after Shanghai though, so even if he had beaten Rafa, I don't think he would have gone all the way.
 
That’s fair enough. We shall see what happens. I think that this is potentially the strongest slam final opponent that Djokovic has faced (off clay) in a while when you account for the stylistic issues that Medvedev poses for 2018 to present Djokovic and I think he’ll have to be firing at very close to 2019 level to win without any major issues. Last year’s level won’t cut it unless Medvedev’s form drops off by some margin.
LMFAO
Absolute Peak Godvedev DESTROYED by GOAT BOATov1c, weak frauds could never!!11
 
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Murray to his credit was more complete player. His slice and net game was of top quality. Medvedev doesn't know how to slice.
Medvedev doesn't have a bad slice (for today's standards). I've watched many matches where it's been rock solid.

But yes, I do agree pretty much, although wouldn't call Murray's net game top quality. His slice was absolutely top quality and not a million miles away from Federer's.
 

Sport

G.O.A.T.
Nadal needs 300 weeks and 6 YE#1 first :whistle:
Slams > weeks as #1. 1 Olympics > 1 YE #1.

The number of Slams is the most relevant GOAT criterion. Other criteria are just tie-breakers in case two players are tied in the Slam count.
 
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G.O.A.T.
Nadal was playing prime tennis, he just can’t cope with the evolved nextgen of players.
By that logic, "Djokovic was playing prime tennis, he just can't cope with the evolved next gen at RG and that explains why Thiem leads the H2H over Djokovic at RG. Thiem has a higher peal level than Djokovic at RG." Unless you display a double standard now.

Following your logic, Nadal destroying Tsitsipas in 3 sets at the AO 2019 is irrelevant and Tsitsipas would have a higher peak level at the AO than both Federer and Nadal.

Obviously, you are wrong and prime Fedal are better than any verison of Tsitsipas at the AO, just like prime Djokovic > Thiem at RG. While players do evolve and the level of the sport increases, players also get older and decrease their level with age, which is something you are ignoring.
 

Poisoned Slice

Bionic Poster
The relentless pursuit of excellence on full display once again. He could live on the edge of the line out there. Medvedev could do bugger all really. Sensational from the champ.
 
That’s fair enough. We shall see what happens. I think that this is potentially the strongest slam final opponent that Djokovic has faced (off clay) in a while when you account for the stylistic issues that Medvedev poses for 2018 to present Djokovic and I think he’ll have to be firing at very close to 2019 level to win without any major issues. Last year’s level won’t cut it unless Medvedev’s form drops off by some margin.
when are you going to reply, dear
sheer boatness in every stroke, never before has such stronk been witnessed
 

NedStark

Rookie
And yet he was a 20-match winning streak.

But yeah, you're right, he is an amateur-level player with amazing levels of luck. Anybody here could beat him, if they felt like it. But we don't wanna so as not to crush his confidence.

On a slightly more serious note... you are wrong.
LOL

Well, unless the standard of "good slices" has declined so badly.
 

StrongRule

G.O.A.T.
Guys, Medvedev losing today doesn't mean Murray collapsing after 2 sets at most in all of his AO finals is suddenly a great performance.
 

Third Serve

G.O.A.T.
Guys, Medvedev losing today doesn't mean Murray collapsing after 2 sets at most in all of his AO finals is suddenly a great performance.
What it does mean is that Muzz was much BETTER than him. Not that he was an amazing finalist or anything (really, he had two genuinely great AO showings and one just “good”: 2012-2013 and 2015).
 

StrongRule

G.O.A.T.
What it does mean is that Muzz was much BETTER than him. Not that he was an amazing finalist or anything (really, he had two genuinely great AO showings and one just “good”: 2012-2013 and 2015).
Give me a break. Suddenly collapsing in 2015 and losing 12 games out of 13 is not good by any means. And Djokovic arguably was in his worst AO winning form that year. In 2013 Murray also collapsed after 2 sets and a half, though a bit less so. I'm tired of people acting like Murray is some ATG, when he was never even close to winning an AO final.
 

RS

Legend
Guys, Medvedev losing today doesn't mean Murray collapsing after 2 sets at most in all of his AO finals is suddenly a great performance.
Very keen to point out this but when somebody says Djokovic of USO 13 was not good you get upset no?
 

StrongRule

G.O.A.T.
Very keen to point out this but when somebody says Djokovic of USO 13 was not good you get upset no?
Dude, Djokovic almost won that final. If Nadal was just a bit less clutch in the third set, it would be a Djokovic win in 4 sets. Murray on the other hand never had any weapons to hurt Djokovic in an AO final, he never even gave a fight.
 

RS

Legend
Dude, Djokovic almost won that final. If Nadal was just a bit less clutch in the third set, it would be a Djokovic win in 4 sets. Murray on the other hand never had any weapons to hurt Djokovic in an AO final, he never even gave a fight.
Yeah this is the exact problem the if and but he takes this set both comparatively similar and lost clearly in the end.

Murray was up a break in the 3rd of AO 15 and nearly broke again and he he didn’t he got broken again.
 

Rebel-I.N.S

Professional
Dude, Djokovic almost won that final. If Nadal was just a bit less clutch in the third set, it would be a Djokovic win in 4 sets. Murray on the other hand never had any weapons to hurt Djokovic in an AO final, he never even gave a fight.
Murray was a feather’s width away from going 2 sets to love up in 2013.
 
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