Alright, I have read most of the threads regarding the Alpha Pioneer DC and the Eagnas Challenger I. Weighed the pros and cons and here is the what conclusions I can gather, please feel free to correct me if I am wrong. The Alpha is a tank and durability is not an issue, most of what goes wrong with the challenger I concerns the drop weight part of the machine and not the mounting system. If this is the case if I were planning on mounting a wise 2086 and not using the drop weight anyway, would the challenger be a better buy? Here is the price brake down on both machines: Alpha Pioneer DC price = 429.00 S+H = 25.00 Total = 454.00 Eagnas Challenger I price = 299.00 s+h = 50.00 Total = 349.00 Is customer service worth $100, and how many things could go wrong with the mounting system? PS. Talked to Herb about the wise 2086 and compatiblities, and he said that they sell a challenger II with a wise already attached. Does anyone know anything about this challenger 2 machine, I tried a search but no luck. Thanks.