Is Davydenko a better hard court player than Nadal?

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Nadal at his best couldn't even beat Davydenko after winning the first set 6-0 in Doha in 2010.
 
HTH is a minuscule piece of the overall equation. Each player has bad match ups. So even though Davydenko had a 6-1 record vs Nadal, Nadal was light years better at beating the field than Davydenko was. Nadal's 4-0 lead in slams on hard courts ends the debate. Nadal is light years ahead of Davydenko on hard courts.

Looking back, Davydenko was owned by players from his own generation on hard courts.

On hard courts, Davydenko was:

2-18 vs Federer
1-4 vs Roddick
0-1 vs Hewitt
0-4 vs Safin
1-6 vs Blake
1-2 vs Nalbandian
Total: 5-35, .125 pct.

Against these same opponents, Nadal on hard courts was
9-11 vs Federer
4-3 vs Roddick
2-3 vs Hewitt
2-0 vs Safin
4-3 vs Blake
4-2 vs Nalbandian
25-22, .531

You gotta love odd match ups in tennis. Nadal registered 5 times as many wins against Davydenko's main opponents from his generation than Davydenko did. It was quite odd how Davyenko managed 6 wins in 7 tries vs Nadal on hard courts, yet only 5 wins in 40 tries against his main opponents.

Here's another head-scratcher. From 2004-2008, Nadal was an amazing 6-3 vs Federer on hard courts, yet 0-3 vs Blake on hard courts. Once again, match ups are key. Once Blake fell off of a cliff, then Nadal was able to pull ahead of Blake in their head-to-head. But once again, HTH is rather meaningless. Nadal also completely owns Blake on hard courts too.
 
Pheasant said:
HTH is a minuscule piece of the overall equation. Each player has bad match ups. So even though Davydenko had a 6-1 record vs Nadal, Nadal was light years better at beating the field than Davydenko was. Nadal's 4-0 lead in slams on hard courts ends the debate. Nadal is light years ahead of Davydenko on hard courts.

Looking back, Davydenko was owned by players from his own generation on hard courts.

On hard courts, Davydenko was:

2-18 vs Federer
1-4 vs Roddick
0-1 vs Hewitt
0-4 vs Safin
1-6 vs Blake
1-2 vs Nalbandian
Total: 5-35, .125 pct.

Against these same opponents, Nadal on hard courts was
9-11 vs Federer
4-3 vs Roddick
2-3 vs Hewitt
2-0 vs Safin
4-3 vs Blake
4-2 vs Nalbandian
25-22, .531

You gotta love odd match ups in tennis. Nadal registered 5 times as many wins against Davydenko's main opponents from his generation than Davydenko did. It was quite odd how Davyenko managed 6 wins in 7 tries vs Nadal on hard courts, yet only 5 wins in 40 tries against his main opponents.

Here's another head-scratcher. From 2004-2008, Nadal was an amazing 6-3 vs Federer on hard courts, yet 0-3 vs Blake on hard courts. Once again, match ups are key. Once Blake fell off of a cliff, then Nadal was able to pull ahead of Blake in their head-to-head. But once again, HTH is rather meaningless. Nadal also completely owns Blake on hard courts too.
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Federer was 2-3 on HC in that time vs Rafa.
 
FHtennisman said:
Nadal didn't dominate Fed at his peak, 8-6 is by no means domination.
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Irks doesn't it? I don't believe in any such statistics for that matter. I don't think davydenko dominated Rafa and neither do I think Rafa dominated fed. Fed and Rafa are at a different level. They have had great matches and often in the very last stages of tournaments. Fed had been losing more often in the 5th set during their prime years and I still don't consider that domination. Let davydenko challenge Nadal in those stages of matches and then let's talk shall we?
 
On hard courts, let's continue to beat down the exact guy we need to justify Fed's claim as any sort of big match player.

Genius. lol
 
125downthemiddle said:
WTH happened at Doha in 10 and 11? lmfao
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Davydenko's best beat Nadal's best on HC, that's what.

2010 was real fun, took stats for it a while ago. Nadal took the ball unusually early in set 1 while Denko was flabbergasted and made a couple of poor errors that prevented him from holding even once; but come set 2, both players reset mentally, Nadal retreating to his normal style and Denko finding that ball-machine consistent depth. He then dominated the set until serving for it and then very nearly choked it away (not surprising) - fortunately, Davydenko at his peak was then the only one capable of reversing the choke against the king choke collector, doing just that when match point down. The double amazing thing is that, waiting out another dip after such a tight set, he was actually down *1-3 30-40 in the 3rd and won 6-4 from that position - too good when on, that early ball striking was just superior style-wise on the surface.
 
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