Is De Minaur basically the new Ferrer or something more?

I think he has a better all around game than Ferrer. Hopefully he can continue to get stronger to improve his offense.
He certainly has better posture than Hunchback of Ferrerdam, and he doesn´t chain smoke like Ferrer.

But can he make hilarious remarks about "girls" the way Ferrer does?
 

travlerajm

G.O.A.T.
He reminds me of Hewitt more than Ferrer.

David had a weapon in his forehand, also return of serve, De Minaur is more weaponless(unless you count his foot speed as a weapon).
Agree with everything except the Hewitt comparison. Hewitt’s strokes on both wings were compact and secure, allowing him to take the ball early and dictate points from on top of the baseline. De Minaur has a wristy nextgen style ‘modern’ forehand that breaks down against heavy pace or spin on the rise.
 

Sudacafan

Talk Tennis Guru
Nah. Ferrer was a powerhouse. He could hit like a heavyweight and go toe to toe with almost anyone including Nadal on hards. De Minaur is a lightweight runner. Just another Gilles Simon pretty much except worse.
Ferrer did not look as good at De Miñaur’s age.
Remember that Ferrer had a late surge.
 

Mike Sams

G.O.A.T.
Ferrer did not look as good at De Miñaur’s age.
Remember that Ferrer had a late surge.
Very true. No disagreement there. He was like Stan in a way. Took him some years to really find his true potential. He had some amazing tournaments. Beat Nadal in 2 Grand Slams, pushed Murray hard in their meetings, had some good tussles with a young Novak, etc. Strong stocky guy with the fighting spirit of a hungry tiger.
 

yokied

Hall of Fame
It's heartening to see some maintaining an adequate elevation of Ferrer over this guy. Ferrer was a quality endurance player that had enough attacking ability and instinct to dismantle pretty much everyone outside the peak big 3.

I have high hopes for de Minaur to develop but it looks like he just doesn't have the attacking ability or the instincts. de Minaur has to absolutely bash the FH within an inch of its life simply in order to be vaguely competitive. Ferrer had a decent FH.
 

papertank

Hall of Fame
It’s not really fair to compare him to an extremely accomplished player like Ferrer. The dude is barely 20, his career has just begun. He doesn’t have many “weapons” yet but those can take years to develop. He’s as fast as they come and a hard worker, so I’d say he has a super bright future. But this comparison right now is pretty dumb.
 

Yoneyama

Hall of Fame
In 2002 when Ferrer was 20 he had 1 title, De Minaur has 3 at the age of 20. Ferrer would have to wait until 2006 to get another title at the age of 24, followed by 3 more in 2007.

Titles wise De Minaur has had more success than Ferrer if we compare them at similar ages.

Just sayin'.

Watch De Minaur in the Sydney 2018 final and then watch him again in his latest title win. He has come leaps and bounds and can only improve more.
 

Yoneyama

Hall of Fame
I don't think we should hype him up either, but I think he deserves a little bit more belief then what some posters have in him at the moment. De Minaur is ridiculously quick. I think he could easily be the fastest mover on tour at the moment. This year he has been getting balls back that 99% of other players couldn't even dream of.

What is really impressing me is that this year, De Minaur's on the run forehand has become a serious weapon. If he gets pushed out wide he can absolutely belt the forehand cross court for a winner which he did numerous times this week in Zhuhai. The opponent doesn't expect the sudden injection of pace.
 

Mike Sams

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It’s not really fair to compare him to an extremely accomplished player like Ferrer. The dude is barely 20, his career has just begun. He doesn’t have many “weapons” yet but those can take years to develop. He’s as fast as they come and a hard worker, so I’d say he has a super bright future. But this comparison right now is pretty dumb.
He'll never be a top player. He'll flounder somewhere outside the top 10 if he's really lucky. The Lleyton Hewitt types are passe. Too small and not enough firepower. Can't make a career these days of just running down every ball. Even Nishikori can't make a dent in the Slams and he's one of the most talented smaller guys on the tour with great speed and shot making skills.
 

James P

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I also don't think he'll ever be elite. He may be a pesky, tough out for years to come, but I don't see a slam champion in that body and game. Then again, Ferrer also wasn't a slam champion, so maybe the comparison fits.
 

Yoneyama

Hall of Fame
I also don't think he'll ever be elite. He may be a pesky, tough out for years to come, but I don't see a slam champion in that body and game. Then again, Ferrer also wasn't a slam champion, so maybe the comparison fits.
In 2017 no one thought Medvedev would be as dominant as he has been in the past two years on HC , and his game is far more bizarre. People were putting him and his bizarre playstyle down too if I recall.
 

papertank

Hall of Fame
He'll never be a top player. He'll flounder somewhere outside the top 10 if he's really lucky. The Lleyton Hewitt types are passe. Too small and not enough firepower. Can't make a career these days of just running down every ball. Even Nishikori can't make a dent in the Slams and he's one of the most talented smaller guys on the tour with great speed and shot making skills.
? Since when is De Minaur a “smaller guy”? He’s 6’0. That’s plenty of height to work with. Just because he’s not a naturally aggressive player doesn’t mean he’s physically incapable of hitting with power.
 

Mike Sams

G.O.A.T.
Only idiots like you think Hewitt had "no power" and 5'5" Ferrer did. This is a guy who traded shots with freaking Agassi and WON. In 2005 he was overpowering people from the baseline regularly. Injuries cost him, not "no weapons". Simpleton.
True, if not for injuries, Lleyton would've had 10+ Slams in his arsenal.
 

Fedinkum

Legend
I don’t know, but please don’t start calling him "baby Ferrer" anyone

we’ve had enough of this baby crap with other young players
And the Australian local media likes to call him Demon-aur...I cringe every time they invent dumb-ass nicknames for players.
 

TheGhostOfAgassi

Talk Tennis Guru
Hopefully not.
I feel like the only non Ferrer fan on this site. So glad I don’t have to watch loads of tight 5 setters w him all the time anymore. Think I drew the line a couple of years before he retired.

I like De Minaur more.
 

Mike Sams

G.O.A.T.
Your sarcasm sucks as much as Ferrer's top level.

How did his "forehand" fare against ATGs?

Lleyton beat Sampras 5 times in a row and has an equal H2H with Agassi.
If Lleyton was so great, why is his name the first to come up when people are talking about Federer's weak era? Nobody respects Lleyton apparently. They call him a transitional champ.
 

reaper

Legend
DeMinaur's not having much joy in the rankings. He's won 65% of his matches this year and 3 tournaments in the process which at face value is a much better performance than a lot of players ranked above him, but is still only ranked 25 which is not even a career high. Is there some kind of conspiracy against him?
 

blablavla

G.O.A.T.
If Lleyton was so great, why is his name the first to come up when people are talking about Federer's weak era? Nobody respects Lleyton apparently. They call him a transitional champ.
this forum is weird when it comes to appreciation of players.
a top pro can be called mug, journeyman, clown.
so, simply because this forum doesn't consed Lleyton so great, doesnt' mean he was weak.
I think his achievements talk much more about him as opposed to this forum.
and what is a "transitional champ"? another fanboy BS?
 

blablavla

G.O.A.T.
I don't think we should hype him up either, but I think he deserves a little bit more belief then what some posters have in him at the moment. De Minaur is ridiculously quick. I think he could easily be the fastest mover on tour at the moment. This year he has been getting balls back that 99% of other players couldn't even dream of.

What is really impressing me is that this year, De Minaur's on the run forehand has become a serious weapon. If he gets pushed out wide he can absolutely belt the forehand cross court for a winner which he did numerous times this week in Zhuhai. The opponent doesn't expect the sudden injection of pace.
RBA said that Zhuhai courts are ridiculously slow, and every rally had the potential to go to 40+ shots.
The few minutes of highlights kind of confirm it, Murray vs Sangren, Murray vs de Minaur, de Minaur vs RBA, de Minaur vs Mannarion, I have seen a ton of 20+ rallies.
I guess even RG 2019 had more shorter shots.

Having said this, for a guy with such fast movement, if he has enough time to chase the ball, it's easier to go all in for that shot.
Let's see how his forehand will look like at faster courts.
 

accidental

Hall of Fame
DeMinaur's not having much joy in the rankings. He's won 65% of his matches this year and 3 tournaments in the process which at face value is a much better performance than a lot of players ranked above him, but is still only ranked 25 which is not even a career high. Is there some kind of conspiracy against him?
He had a few injuries after the Aus Open and barely won a match between then and the start of the US hard court season

Having grown up in Spain I would expect him to have a decent clay court season next year
 

tacou

G.O.A.T.
It's heartening to see some maintaining an adequate elevation of Ferrer over this guy. Ferrer was a quality endurance player that had enough attacking ability and instinct to dismantle pretty much everyone outside the peak big 3.
sadly most in this thread were probably calling him a weak era pigeon up until his retirement
 
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Ferrer is a French Open Finalist :)
De Minaur's best result at the French Open is Round 2!
 

Mike Sams

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this forum is weird when it comes to appreciation of players.
a top pro can be called mug, journeyman, clown.
so, simply because this forum doesn't consed Lleyton so great, doesnt' mean he was weak.
I think his achievements talk much more about him as opposed to this forum.
and what is a "transitional champ"? another fanboy BS?
transitional champ is like the guy who took the reigns between 2 all time greats. Lleyton came in between the end of Sampras and the rise of Federer. A solid talent but not a guy who would ever compete alongside the greats. It was like Larry Holmes who came in between Ali and Tyson. A largely forgotten but very talented fighter who probably never got his due even despite his stellar achievements.
 

DRII

G.O.A.T.
Agree with everything except the Hewitt comparison. Hewitt’s strokes on both wings were compact and secure, allowing him to take the ball early and dictate points from on top of the baseline. De Minaur has a wristy nextgen style ‘modern’ forehand that breaks down against heavy pace or spin on the rise.
and his BH has a hitch...
 
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