Is Del Potro the biggest hitter of all time?

No, Murray was returning balls in the middle of the court for Roddick to hit a smash or forehand drive and Murray couldn't do anything. That was due to his SERVE. there no smart play during the rallies

Anyway, that list of yours is quite frankly stupid. And no, its not a fair comparison.

Here's mine:


Serve:Roddick

Return of serve: Murray

Forehand:Murray (just about)

Backhand: Murray

Volley: Murray

Lob: Murray

Movement: Murray

Fitness: Murray

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It's very much one sided, but its the truth i'm afraid.

sorry for not including ROS,movement and lob, yes, murray is superior than roddick in that department, he always will be. But forehand, i think roddick's 09 forehand is better than murray's will ver be, and his forehand in 03/04 was even better. Fitness, roddick is ahead of murray, no doubt, he was able to go the distance with federer even though he won 1 match in straight sets in wimbledon, and federer was all but 2 matches in SS. If you watch roddick's 5th set matches - you will see that he never fizzles out like murray did against nando in AO.
 
sorry for not including ROS,movement and lob, yes, murray is superior than roddick in that department, he always will be. But forehand, i think roddick's 09 forehand is better than murray's will ver be, and his forehand in 03/04 was even better. Fitness, roddick is ahead of murray, no doubt, he was able to go the distance with federer even though he won 1 match in straight sets in wimbledon, and federer was all but 2 matches in SS. If you watch roddick's 5th set matches - you will see that he never fizzles out like murray did against nando in AO.

Murray being offensive with the forehand is better than Roddicks. whether you like it or not. Full stop.

Roddick fitter than Murray? i think i'll leave it at that.
 
Murray being offensive with the forehand is better than Roddicks. whether you like it or not. Full stop.

Roddick fitter than Murray? i think i'll leave it at that.


NO NO NO it's not better than roddick's. When does murray ever become offensive with his forehand - oh yeah, that's right, he doesn't. Roddick is fitter than murray.
 
He does, but not as much as i and others would hope for. But, when he does play offensively, its a deadly tool. Unlike Roddick's loopers.



As i said before, i'll just leave it at that.


Yes, roddick does loops the ball like a lob, but i'm saying that when roddick gets a grip on his forehand then it becomes deadly, and much better than murray's, just watch some of his videos in 03. As for the fitness, we will agree to disagree.
 
Bigger hitters than Del Potro:

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Roddick definitely has a bigger forehand than Murray. Roddick in 03/04 when he was playing with all out aggression had one of the biggest forehands of all time. Even Agassi said he had never seen a bigger forehand at the time. Like his serve, he has taken pace off his forehand as a compromise for better placement and consistency, but he can still crush the ball on that side as big as anyone today.
 
Roddick definitely has a bigger forehand than Murray. Roddick in 03/04 when he was playing with all out aggression had one of the biggest forehands of all time. Even Agassi said he had never seen a bigger forehand at the time. Like his serve, he has taken pace off his forehand as a compromise for better placement and consistency, but he can still crush the ball on that side as big as anyone today.

Thankyou, thankyou, someone who realises that roddick can still crush the ball as hard as anyone but chooses not to.
 
There was an article written in about 2001 in deuce magazine where the players who look like qualifying for the masters cup that year were asked to choose which strokes were best of any current player. I think of the 10 they asked 4 or 5 chose Roddick, including Agassi. The other choices players made were Ferrero, Sampras and Agassi from memory. Pretty sure Sampras chose himself too
 
No. I fair thumped the living hell out of a forehand tonight when hitting, in my eyes it was bigger than JMDPs hitting....therefore.... I am the biggest hitter :)
 
IMO Del Potro is right there at the top 5 biggers hitters ever. What is more amazing is how effortless looking are all his strokes. You can see people like Gonzalez and Soderling hitting the crap out of the ball but you can see they make an extra effort and you can see that their ball is fast but doesnt look as heavy as Del Potro's. I can see how exahusting must be to play against Del Po, it has to be like being hit with a huge hammer time after time after time.
 
That final against Fed was ridiculous. Especially in the 5th set, he was just hitting screamers one after the other. Even if Fed barely had to move to get his racket on the ball, he was having problems getting it back. Del Potro has a big serve, but it's really his groundstrokes, especially his forehand, that puts him over the top. It's a monster.

Yep !

I think most of us agree, what DP did against the great Fed in this historic 5th set of the 2009 USO was just unsurpassed in modern tennis. I do agree that Soderling and others have played some crazy power hitting sets and matches this year, but not to win a slam against Federer.

This win is really going to make the next year interesting !
 
On the serve old Roscoe smoked the ball. Groundies sucked though .

If one goes to youtube.com there used to be a clip of his serve .. it was fericious.
 
Flipper.. heavy heavy groundies and blasting serve .. he is up there with DP but the 2 others BB and Almagro arent.

Boris Becker in the mid 90's just crushed the ball so hard I can't explain to you. All the videos of him on youtube have been taken down so you'll just have to trust me on this.

Almagro can serve 15mph faster than Del Potro and can hit the ball over 100mph pretty consistently on clay off both wings, generating his own pace. Del Potro had about 100mph of pace to work with on that return, and he hit it completely flat. Becker, Flipper and Almagro all hit the ball just as hard but with decent spin.
 
Safin at his best wud just slightly overpower or equal delpo i believe

remember few matches agaisnt sampras where he blew him off court and amazing SF agaisnt federer in 2005 Aus open.
 
Boris Becker in the mid 90's just crushed the ball so hard I can't explain to you. All the videos of him on youtube have been taken down so you'll just have to trust me on this.

Almagro can serve 15mph faster than Del Potro and can hit the ball over 100mph pretty consistently on clay off both wings, generating his own pace. Del Potro had about 100mph of pace to work with on that return, and he hit it completely flat. Becker, Flipper and Almagro all hit the ball just as hard but with decent spin.

Boris was definitely among the biggest hitters but the raquet technology has improved so much that delpo wud be bigger now.. only comparison we can do be the average power of that era vs average of the current era.

If so, i agree with u that Boris just ripped the ground strokes apart from his huge serve. probably best hitter of his era
 
Tursunov is a good call, Korolev too. Too bad those guys miss most of the time. :D
Korolev hits it pretty good, but I think Tursunov is a step above. I've seen both in person up close. Korolev's power is mainly the forehand, but even then, most of his winners are due to good placement and working the guy around. Tursunov, I believe, could be ranked in the top 20% for power on all strokes (1st serve, backhand, and forehand). Oddly, Gulbis looks more powerful on tv, but Tursunov looks more powerful in person from my experience. Safin on the practice court is just plain fun to watch. His backhand looks as powerful as many guy's forehands.
 
Boris was definitely among the biggest hitters but the raquet technology has improved so much that delpo wud be bigger now.. only comparison we can do be the average power of that era vs average of the current era.

If so, i agree with u that Boris just ripped the ground strokes apart from his huge serve. probably best hitter of his era

Racket technology hasn't improved since the late 80's, in terms of power nothing has changed, now if you want to say players have more spin now becauswe of developments in racket string that's fair enough.
 
I'm not talking about "for his era" type of argument, like Agassi hit way harder than the rest of the tour when he arrived than Del Potro does now in comparison to HIS peers.

I'm talking about adding up the miles per hour of a player's serve, forehand, and backhand, and averaging it out. And I'm talking about how hard they hit consistently, on a point by point, game by game basis, and not about being able to crank one every so often. Like Felipe Lopez, yeah, he can rip a forehand sometimes, and he's got a potent serve, but his slice backhand.... Or Roddick, for a while, I thought he had the biggest serve + forehand combination in the history of tennis, and his serve still takes the prize for MPH, but his forehand is loopier than before and his backhand was never a screamer.

But Del Potro consistently hits the cover off the ball on all three strokes. In the finals of the US Open, not sure if I've ever seen somebody hit so hard for so long. That might have been the biggest display of power tennis I've ever seen. And Fed is no slouch either in the History of Power category. But Del Potro had an extra gear.

I'm not saying power equals tennis greatness. Clearly, Fed is a better player, and I might still be inclined to say Andy Murray is still a better player than Del Potro as suggested in the title of another thread in this forum.

So Del Potro. I think he might be the biggest hitter (and I explained what I mean by that) in the history of tennis.

Thoughts?

jump on the del potro bandwagon, people lol
 
Racket technology hasn't improved since the late 80's, in terms of power nothing has changed, now if you want to say players have more spin now becauswe of developments in racket string that's fair enough.

Technology has improved sine the late 80's and players hit harder BECUASE they generate more spin with poly strings.
 
Technology has improved sine the late 80's and players hit harder BECUASE they generate more spin with poly strings.

really? They're making rackets out of something other than graphite now? Graphite rackets of all sizes and weights have been available since the late 80's.

IMO the game has actually slowed down hugely, players swing as fast as they always did, but they put more of that racket head speed into spin. In the 90's you had Sampras, Korda, Flipper, Safin, Kraijeck, Becker etc hitting flat bombs, whereas now the only top player to hit the ball like that James Blake.
 
IMO Del Potro is right there at the top 5 biggers hitters ever. What is more amazing is how effortless looking are all his strokes.
Yeah, he's almost Rios like. With the same motion, his forehand goes from simply big to absolutely ballistic. When you watch replays of his 105 mph screaming winners, he looks nearly identical to the 2 or 3 shots before that.
jump on the del potro bandwagon, people lol
Not that I take your insult seriously, but in the interest of gloating, here's some of thew posts I wrote on the other board beginning on Sept 3, 2006:
So I was at the qualies and I saw this one dude play, and currently he's only 113 in the world, but eventually, if he strengthens up, I think he'll be top 20 at least.

Juan Martin Del Potro of Argentina. Just wanted to be the first to say this.

Very stylish game and hits pretty flat for an Argentine. Capable of huge power. The x factor is his fitness. I like this kid's game. But he better strengthen up.

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The food was overpriced and as crappy as ever, and it was stupid hot the day I went. Del Potro was the only guy I saw that clearly looked like he might be destined for the top 10, but I guess he wasn't as impressive as Verdasco and Hewitt when I first saw them.

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When I saw him play, it seemed like he was sick or something. Not sure if it was his fitness but I kept thinking if Brian Vahaly could just push him 20 minutes more, Del Potro would default. That didn't happen though. So I guess I don't REALLY have a handle on how well he moves for a guy that tall.

But he's got a lot of filling out to do. ATPtour.com has him listed at 170 pounds, which means that if he's not careful Sally Struthers will try to sponsor him. But the shots are all there. He is deceptively powerful and every so often he would just hit a screamer off his forehand.

Deceptively powerful especially in light of his opponent, Vahaly, who is short and relies on consistency, especially off his backhand side, which is a really sweet looking soft, sort of like a, gulp, poor man's Spadea. Vahaly was swinging very hard and Del Potro was swinging so smoothly, like he wasn't trying, yet it was Vahaly who was scrambling to keep up with every shot.

Del Potro is like Safin in that way, a lot of his "power" comes from the fact that he's so deceptive. From what I saw. With Andy Roddick, he hits hard but you he can't put the ball anywhere using the same exact motion. Del Potro is more like Safin, the same swing can put the ball anywhere at all different levels of pace.

No, he's not a serve a volleyer. Can't remember if he came to the net a lot or not. He didn't really have to. Even while wheezing between points, looking like he was going to pass out, he was ripping winners and drawing unforced errors like crazy on Vahaly.

He plays with a lot of flair. Nice to see so many stylish young players on the scene right now. Potro, Monfils (his personality, not really his game style), Gasquet, and Bagdhatis. Potro, I guess, also sort of reminds me of a more stylish Berdych.

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The way I read it, "who" is about when he's done outlining the similarities between Sam and Del Potro. From what I've seen, aside from their height, they're not that alike. They both have big serves and forehands but that's true for half the top 100. Del Potro hit the ball with flair, whereas Sam, to me, looked more mechanical. The guys who hit with a bit of flair, especially when they're that big, I might tend to assume once they get their game together, they'll be able to do much more with their shots than somebody who's mechanical. And then there's a guy like Malisse who never got his act together so never did much.
I'm actually kind of surprised how good Sam was this summer. I thought he was going to be like a Jose Acasuso type big hitter who gets kind of high in the rankings, but mostly lives around the 50's. But it looks like he might be a legitimate top 15 kind of guy.
 
Boris Becker in the mid 90's just crushed the ball so hard I can't explain to you. All the videos of him on youtube have been taken down so you'll just have to trust me on this.

Almagro can serve 15mph faster than Del Potro and can hit the ball over 100mph pretty consistently on clay off both wings, generating his own pace. Del Potro had about 100mph of pace to work with on that return, and he hit it completely flat. Becker, Flipper and Almagro all hit the ball just as hard but with decent spin.

what? Almagro cant serve 15 mph faster, Del Potro served two 142 and 143 mph serves Madrid against Federer, while his fastest was 138 mph against Federer, he had some problems so he couldnt serve full pace his 1st serve last sets, hopefully you have seen more than one Del Potro's matches, if watch them, guy has absolutely great serve.

French open Del Potro fastest serve was 139mph while he averaged over 204km/h serves almost every match.

Usually Del Potro's 1st serve speed is around 122-125-mph, its normal, no one averages more than that except Ivo Karlovic.

False facts from you, Almagro cant hit his strokes/serve faster than Del Potro, watch more tennis! :oops:
 
Can't believe everyone has forgotten a young Phillippoussis....he had every bit as much or more power as any of these guys..,and the young Scud hit OUT.....just was missing other things eg. brain/dedication! lol.

you beat me to it. mark absolutely demolished the ball off both sides, and had the serve to match it. he might be my overall #1 pick for this list. about an inch shorter than delpo, probably outweighs him by 40 lbs.
 
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Del Potro hits harder than Safin.

However, Monfils has the single fastest forehand ever... I believe Nadal holds the record for the fastest backhand ever and Roddick has the records for the fastest serve and overhead ever... However, on average, I think Gonzalez' forehand is faster than Del Potro's, and on average Nalbandian's and Gasquet's backhands (among others) are faster than his. Roddick, Querrey, Isner, and Karlovic (among others) have faster serves on average. But if you take the average of EVERY shot... Del Potro might be somewhere up there. Not sure if he's the biggest hitter EVER though.
 
What amazing to me is the amount of power Delpo can get off both wings with seemingly little effort. ( just like Safin, but even more so ). I mean he looks like he is just warming up by his body langauge, but he is crushing the ball.

IMO, off both wings, on avarage, he is the biggest hitter of all time.
 
Del Potro hits harder than Safin.

However, Monfils has the single fastest forehand ever... I believe Nadal holds the record for the fastest backhand ever and Roddick has the records for the fastest serve and overhead ever... However, on average, I think Gonzalez' forehand is faster than Del Potro's, and on average Nalbandian's and Gasquet's backhands (among others) are faster than his. Roddick, Querrey, Isner, and Karlovic (among others) have faster serves on average. But if you take the average of EVERY shot... Del Potro might be somewhere up there. Not sure if he's the biggest hitter EVER though.

Del Potro averages same 1st serve speed as those tall guys(querrey,isner) roddick and karlovic are exceptions, i have to repeat myself and say watch more his matches! every damn guy who watched that Federer match was able to see that he wasnt hitting his 1st serve like he can hit last sets, it may have been gameplan or he had physical issues...
 
Gonzalez hits it bigger all around than anyone, ever. Serves, forehands, backhands you name it. Gonzalez has always brought force to the game. His forehand is unstoppable. Fernando has always brought his game and brought it with pace and velocity, ball velocity that is.
 
Del Potro hits harder than Safin.

However, Monfils has the single fastest forehand ever... I believe Nadal holds the record for the fastest backhand ever and Roddick has the records for the fastest serve and overhead ever... However, on average, I think Gonzalez' forehand is faster than Del Potro's, and on average Nalbandian's and Gasquet's backhands (among others) are faster than his. Roddick, Querrey, Isner, and Karlovic (among others) have faster serves on average. But if you take the average of EVERY shot... Del Potro might be somewhere up there. Not sure if he's the biggest hitter EVER though.

Del Potro average 1st serve speed is almost always around 119-125mph, Querrey 1st serve speed around 118-125mph, Karlovic around 125-130mph, Cilic around 116-122mph, Roddick around 122-128mph.

So why do you think those guys have faster serves? i really think that you have seen del potro play only ONE TIME. and BTW Del Potro is 7th ace leaders 2009.
 
Fastest forehand ever = Wayne ferreira .

no player could cope with his forehand not even sampras .
lucky for them he had a soft backhand .
he actually used to hold semi and hit the ball a cm away from the net flat in speeds that made most of the lesser players helpless .

fastest 2 hand backhand = Djokovic

He simply has the fastest 2 hand backhand ever .
he uses the full biomechanics aviable to release the shot ....
that is also his achilies heel in big matches cause the better players knows he will always go for it on the backhand side and can miss in importent points .
but agassi had a much more accurate and devestating backhand also does nalbandian .
but djoko has the fastest .

1 hand backhand = Stefan edberg .

not many actaully know this cause of all the voley but he had the most powerfull scary 1 hand backhand .

i cant decide that for certain ....
Federer can somtimes release a big one .

fastest serve we all know but who had the most effective serve ?
im not talking about aces ....
with no dubt richard kreijchek had the most effective serve ever .
he used all of his height 1.95 cm to generate a serve that even agassi couldnt do nothing against .
unfortunate for him he is one of those tall players that get injured all the time .

best voley offcourse goes to boris becker simply cause no one did the crazy stuff he did on the net .
edberg was clean and tidy but becker was just all over the place . i somtimes wonder if he needed to even play in the baseline .
jk ....
anyway thats all my opinion and im sure many of u gonna dissagree .. but its ok .. its a debate .
 
what? Almagro cant serve 15 mph faster, Del Potro served two 142 and 143 mph serves Madrid against Federer, while his fastest was 138 mph against Federer, he had some problems so he couldnt serve full pace his 1st serve last sets, hopefully you have seen more than one Del Potro's matches, if watch them, guy has absolutely great serve.

French open Del Potro fastest serve was 139mph while he averaged over 204km/h serves almost every match.

Usually Del Potro's 1st serve speed is around 122-125-mph, its normal, no one averages more than that except Ivo Karlovic.

False facts from you, Almagro cant hit his strokes/serve faster than Del Potro, watch more tennis! :oops:

Almagro's fastest serves are faster than Del Potro's fastest serves.As for your claim that he averaged over 204. I looked up his average speeds against his opponents at RG..

vs. Llodra - 198 kph
vs. Troicki - 201 kph
vs. Andreev - 196 kph
vs. Tsonga - 203 kph
vs. Robredo - 199 kph
vs. Federer 204 kph

Only one match did he match the 204 kph claim.

Almagro hits his serves as hard if not harder than Del Potro and also hits his backhand undoubtably harder, forehands are equal or in Del Potro's favour.

Perhaps it is you who should watch more tennis :oops:
 
Almagro's fastest serves are faster than Del Potro's fastest serves.As for your claim that he averaged over 204. I looked up his average speeds against his opponents at RG..

vs. Llodra - 198 kph
vs. Troicki - 201 kph
vs. Andreev - 196 kph
vs. Tsonga - 203 kph
vs. Robredo - 199 kph
vs. Federer 204 kph

Only one match did he match the 204 kph claim.

Almagro hits his serves as hard if not harder than Del Potro and also hits his backhand undoubtably harder, forehands are equal or in Del Potro's favour.

Perhaps it is you who should watch more tennis :oops:

those are excellent 1st serve speeds anyway, like i said only karlovic averages more...that guy said that isner,querrey and other big guys averaging higher 1st serve speed than Delpo...the guy obviously has not seen more than one his matches and that was us open final...im sure you were able to see his pretty sloppy 1st serves last sets? gameplan? no way, he definetely had somekind of physical issues after long two weeks.
 
those are excellent 1st serve speeds anyway, like i said only karlovic averages more...that guy said that isner,querrey and other big guys averaging higher 1st serve speed than Delpo...the guy obviously has not seen more than one his matches and that was us open final...im sure you were able to see his pretty sloppy 1st serves last sets? gameplan? no way, he definetely had somekind of physical issues after long two weeks.

I agree that he probably was physically fatigued and couldn't put everything into his serves in the last few sets. I think Roddick averages more on first serve as well but that's probably it. There are a few guys, such as Almagro, Berdych, Tsonga, who can average around the same as Del Potro on first serve. Querrey doesn't really come close in terms of speed but he has a slightly better serve, and Isner doesn't get the consistent power either but he obviously is one of the top 5 servers in the game today.
 
Seems like Del Potro was so confident in his forehand, he knew that he could go for bombs and get 60% of them in, or go for a relatively safer slice serve that he could get in 90% of the time and draw a response he could murder with his forehand. Higher percentage play when you're feeling your forehand like that.
 
Del Potro average 1st serve speed is almost always around 119-125mph, Querrey 1st serve speed around 118-125mph, Karlovic around 125-130mph, Cilic around 116-122mph, Roddick around 122-128mph.

So why do you think those guys have faster serves? i really think that you have seen del potro play only ONE TIME. and BTW Del Potro is 7th ace leaders 2009.

Querrey is 3rd in ace count, where Del Potro is 7th... I don't know why you are talking about Cilic, since I never even said he served better than Del Potro... And Karlovic and Roddick are bigger servers than Del Potro, even you agree... I have seen Del Potro play several times, I watched all his 2009 Grand Slam matches - every single one - in their entirety, and also watched a few of his other matches. And of course I've seen many youtube highlight reels but they don't really count.
 
Del Potro averages same 1st serve speed as those tall guys(querrey,isner) roddick and karlovic are exceptions, i have to repeat myself and say watch more his matches! every damn guy who watched that Federer match was able to see that he wasnt hitting his 1st serve like he can hit last sets, it may have been gameplan or he had physical issues...

I have watched quite a few of his matches. Perhaps he has a bigger serve than Querrey, but definitely not bigger than Isner.

I'm sure that you also watched the Federer match; watching that one match does not automatically mean that I based everything I said off of that match.
 
Actually, roddick won the match because of his smart play, combined with his improved backhand and his powerful forehand.

serve: roddick
Forehand:roddick
Volleys:roddick, yes, im not mad
overhead:roddick
fitness:roddick
Backhand:murray

this is a fair comparison

Compared to what :confused:
 
You forget about Marc Philipoussis, he hit both forehand and one handed back hand VERY VERY hard and had a killer serve.

I would say that him and Delpo are the hardest hitters of all time.

Roddicks forehand is soft compared to bith these guys forehands, his backhand is a joke, so Roddick is not even worth mentioning in this thread.
 
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