Is Djoker more likely to reach 14 GS, or Nadal to 17?

Which of these is more likely to happen?

  • Djokovic will reach 14 GS

    Votes: 24 43.6%
  • Nadal will reach 17 GS

    Votes: 31 56.4%

  • Total voters
    55
Which do you think is more likely? Perhaps both could, or neither, but I think Nadal is more likely to reach 17, particularly if he wins one more non-Roland Garros Slam. Djokovic seems very likely to go double digits in GS titles, but anything can happen, and he has a much longer road to 14.
 

tennisaddict

Bionic Poster
If Novak reaches 14, he would eclipse Rafa.

If Rafa reaches 17, he is still below Fed. 18 is the number what Rafans have to hope for.
 

The_Mental_Giant

Hall of Fame
If Novak reaches 14, he would eclipse Rafa.

If Rafa reaches 17, he is still below Fed. 18 is the number what Rafans have to hope for.

If novak reach 14 winning mostly AO's he wont eclipse rafa.. considering Wimbledon,RG and even USO are much more traditional Slams than AO will ever be.
 

Chanwan

G.O.A.T.
Which do you think is more likely? Perhaps both could, or neither, but I think Nadal is more likely to reach 17, particularly if he wins one more non-Roland Garros Slam. Djokovic seems very likely to go double digits in GS titles, but anything can happen, and he has a much longer road to 14.
Difficult question. By recent form, one would think it has to be Djokovic. Nadal seems to be in a somewhat permanent decline, while Djokovic seems poised to dominate for at least another 2 years, if not 3.

But things can turn around quickly in tennis and another 6 is a whole different ballpark than another 3. Therefore, I gotta go with a draw or slight edge to Rafa for now.

But if Novak does win RG in 3 weeks time (which I consider fairly likely), I would have to pick his 14 as the more likely option.
 

The_Mental_Giant

Hall of Fame
It is unlikely that Novak reaches 14 with just more AO. I see him as the favorite at all majors till end of 2016

He was the absolute favorite post AO 12.. and only managed to win 2 of the following 11 slams..

Now he won AO 15 and people overrate him when he is doing nothing but winning in known territory.
 
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Deleted member 716271

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Novak has a decent shot at 14; as an arbitrary measure he turns 30 a bit before RG 2017...so that's 8 more slams and 2 of each remaining until I would argue he falls out of prime. I think getting 3 of those 8 is a completely reasonable forecast.

Then for Novak to "leech" another 3 over the last few years of his career in his early 30's (let's estimate he retires around 33), especially considering his fitness and the lack of great upcoming players is not out of the question.

It's not the most conservative or likely estimate (and it's very hard to predict what will happen years down the line) but it's certainly moderately possible.
 

tennisaddict

Bionic Poster
He was the absolute favorite post AO 12.. and only managed to win 2 of the following 11 slams..

Now he won AO 15 and people overrate him when he is doing nothing but winning in known territory.

Novak has won 7, reached 5 finals , 4 SF of the last 17 majors.

Those lost opportunities of "5 finals and 5 semi finals" are a thing of the past. No more close shaves.
 

Chanwan

G.O.A.T.
Novak has won 7, reached 5 finals , 4 SF of the last 17 majors.

Those lost opportunities of "5 finals and 5 semi finals" are a thing of the past. No more close shaves.
Difference now is that
a) Fed ain't beating him in a slam these days
b) Murray looks done beating Novak, full stop.
c) Rafa is a shadow of his best.
d) still no new generation to speak of (perhaps, perhaps Nishi is coming of age in his mid to late twenties?)

Now those conditions might change a bit, but until they do, he's a much bigger favorite than in 2012-2013 at least.
 

Gary Duane

Talk Tennis Guru
I'd simply say that to me it looks more likely that Novak has more slams in him, for the future, than Nadal, which is partly based on age as well as health.
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
For me I think it is more likely that Nadal will reach 17. I just have an odd feeling that Nadal will turn things around eventually despite his recent struggles.
 

RF-18

Talk Tennis Guru
For me I think it is more likely that Nadal will reach 17. I just have an odd feeling that Nadal will turn things around eventually despite his recent struggles.

Is that the fear talking or do you really believe he is capable?
 

Steve0904

Talk Tennis Guru
Nadal is still more likely to reach 17. That said, he really is struggling right now. More than anybody has ever seen him struggle really. And Djokovic is playing extremely well.
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
Is that the fear talking or do you really believe he is capable?

Fear of what? That he will equal or surpass Federer's record? No, I don't fear it at all but I have thought for a long time that he will probably do it and I am a realist. He's too close to give up now for an ATG with his type of motivation which as we have seen is very rare for a professional tennis player.
 

JanowiczJ

Professional
Nadal to 17, obviously. He's got at least 2 more RGs secured. Nadal to 18 and Nole to 14 would be a harder question.

If I was betting with straight odds I'b bet against both of them reaching their numbers. BUT I think Nole to 14 would be more likely to happen.
 

merwy

G.O.A.T.
If Novak continues playing like he does, and Nadal continues his decline (or at least doesn't improve his form) I can only see Djokovic coming closer to Nadal.

(I accidently voted for Nadal, wasn't paying attention)
 
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It's more likely for Nadal to add 3 more slams.

I see Djokovic winning 14 at the absolute maximum. Nadal's "maximum" is more flexible.
 

The_Mental_Giant

Hall of Fame
Novak has won 7, reached 5 finals , 4 SF of the last 17 majors.

Those lost opportunities of "5 finals and 5 semi finals" are a thing of the past. No more close shaves.

You are relying mostly on his absolute peak from AO 2011-AO2012.. He is still on his prime but not in his absolute peak...
 

moonballs

Hall of Fame
Djoko will be the favorite till end of 2016. Let's say for the remaining 7 slams we give him a generous brain fart allowance of losing three, he will be at 12 slams conservatively. He will be approaching 30 but if he is still free from major injuries he might eek out two more. It is just me rooting for him to beat Nadal's record.
 

The_Mental_Giant

Hall of Fame
Djoko will be the favorite till end of 2016. Let's say for the remaining 7 slams we give him a generous brain fart allowance of losing three, he will be at 12 slams conservatively. He will be approaching 30 but if he is still free from major injuries he might eek out two more. It is just me rooting for him to beat Nadal's record.

He just won his favorite slam and now he is going to win 4 of the following 7 slams.. lol... I'd be lucky if he ends up winning 2.. he aint winning USO or RG for sure ...so he will have a real chance in only 3 of the remaining 7... I'd go he wins 2 of those max...
 
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VexlanderPrime

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He was the absolute favorite post AO 12.. and only managed to win 2 of the following 11 slams..

Now he won AO 15 and people overrate him when he is doing nothing but winning in known territory.

More like winning in EVERY known territory. You watch any tennis this year?
 
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VexlanderPrime

Guest
Do the glasses in your house that you drink from have a picture of Nadal on them with a dagger in his heart too? :lol:

I agree with MN. If Rafa gets to 17 there would be some decent arguments for GOAT. Arguments both ways no doubt.
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
I agree with MN. If Rafa gets to 17 there would be some decent arguments for GOAT. Arguments both ways no doubt.

If he and Fed are both at 17, I'd personally say Fed is better but could understand anyone putting Nadal ahead. Rafa would have to get 18 for it to be undisputed. My dig at RafaAddict is that his only line of thought is how much he can't stand Rafa. He went there straight away instead of addressing the topic.

I hate to agree with this guy but as long as Toni Nadal is Rafa's coach this statement is true.

Well he can win the USO too as long as he's in good form. The problem is that he hasn't had any good form in a year. A lot does have to do with Toni.
 
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VexlanderPrime

Guest
Novak has won 7, reached 5 finals , 4 SF of the last 17 majors.

Those lost opportunities of "5 finals and 5 semi finals" are a thing of the past. No more close shaves.

You're almost as Djoker nutty as the Rafa nuts are for Rafa. Did u watch AO15? Murray unquestionably could have won that without some well timed Jedi mind tricks by djoker. He's the best player but he could be upset by players like Stan, Kei, Berd, Andy if they play a great match. Slams don't grow on trees. They're earned and each one is a huge accomplishment
 

Backspin1183

Talk Tennis Guru
If Novak continues playing like he does, and Nadal continues his decline (or at least doesn't improve his form) I can only see Djokovic coming closer to Nadal.

(I accidently voted for Nadal, wasn't paying attention)

That's OK, Merwy. Your subconscious mind knows the right answer.
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
You're almost as Djoker nutty as the Rafa nuts are for Rafa. Did u watch AO15? Murray unquestionably could have won that without some well timed Jedi mind tricks by djoker. He's the best player but he could be upset by players like Stan, Kei, Berd, Andy if they play a great match. Slams don't grow on trees. They're earned and each one is a huge accomplishment

All he cares about are Federer's records being safe. I really don't know why these things are so personal to people. If someone wins 10 FO's all I can say is wow congrats, it's not going to ruin my life. :lol: I'm going to wake up the next day the same person. These people act like they'd collapse and die. Pathetic really. Part of me wants Djokovic to break both weeks at #1 and the slam record. He'd be back to having his original 4 fans on here.
 
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VexlanderPrime

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All he cares about are Federer's records being safe. I really don't know why these things are so personal to people. If someone wins 10 FO's all I can say is wow congrats, it's not going to ruin my life. :lol: I'm going to wake up the next day the same person. These people act like they'd collapse and die. Pathetic really. Part of me wants Djokovic to break both weeks at #1 and the slam record. He'd be back to having his original 4 fans on here.

Heh, would be funny to see how Fed fanatics would react to someone else hitting 18. I feel like if Rafa did it half of them would end up in padded rooms wearing straightjackets and the other half would profess how much they loved and respected Rafa all along.
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
Heh, would be funny to see how Fed fanatics would react to someone else hitting 18. I feel like if Rafa did it half of them would end up in padded rooms wearing straightjackets and the other half would profess how much they loved and respected Rafa all along.

So true :lol: Someone needs to do it, bc they've been sitting pretty for too long :twisted:
 
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I've always respected both Nadal and Federer. Even if Nadal reaches 18, I won't mind. Records are made to be broken.

I actually would prefer if Nadal won the French Open this year as opposed to Djokovic who I believe will most likely complete the CYGS if he beats him there. I'd rather it be another successful comeback year for Nadal honestly, even if he wins 2 slams this year and ends up sitting at 16 by years end. Tennis needs the competition. It's been so boring without it.
 

Netspirit

Hall of Fame
It only takes Djokovic to get sick or injured for a year, and Nadal has a chance.

For Djokovic, too many stars would need to align.
 
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VexlanderPrime

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I've always respected both Nadal and Federer. Even if Nadal reaches 18, I won't mind. Records are made to be broken.

I actually would prefer if Nadal won the French Open this year as opposed to Djokovic who I believe will most likely complete the CYGS if he beats him there. I'd rather it be another successful comeback year for Nadal honestly, even if he wins 2 slams this year and ends up sitting at 16 by years end. Tennis needs the competition. It's been so boring without it.

Wasn't referring to you. You are a solid fan. Totally agree that we need some better competition at the top. In my preseason ranking prediction I had a Murray 2 and Kei like 4 or so. Really expected them to step up way more tha they have. Andy at least is making finals but he needs to beat Djoker at least once or twice this year. Kei has been disappointing.
 
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Wasn't referring to you. You are a solid fan. Totally agree that we need some better competition at the top. In my preseason ranking prediction I had a Murray 2 and Kei like 4 or so. Really expected them to step up way more tha they have. Andy at least is making finals but he needs to beat Djoker at least once or twice this year. Kei has been disappointing.
Andy has finally won a title this year (even if it is on clay) and is back up to second in the race, Nishikori isn't that high in the race rankings and has been a little disappointing, I agree.

I don't know if Andy can beat Novak again on any surface in a Grand Slam though. That bagel at the Australian Open seemed pretty ominous in my opinion.
 

Backspin1183

Talk Tennis Guru
I've always respected both Nadal and Federer. Even if Nadal reaches 18, I won't mind. Records are made to be broken.

I actually would prefer if Nadal won the French Open this year as opposed to Djokovic who I believe will most likely complete the CYGS if he beats him there. I'd rather it be another successful comeback year for Nadal honestly, even if he wins 2 slams this year and ends up sitting at 16 by years end. Tennis needs the competition. It's been so boring without it.

Your hate for Djokovic is stronger than your love for RF. :roll:

So much hate and underrating of Novak because he is Serbian. :roll:


Unbelievable :mad:
 
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