Is Djokovic better than Federer on every surface?

[Madinolf]

More Slams on hard
More Slams on clay
6 to 8 Slams on grass but:

2020 edition wasn't held,
3-0 h2h in Wimbledon finals,
Djokovic is at the peak of his dominance (won last 3 editions) and could add more titles

 

[Sampras-Bruguera 1993]

Yes

 

[Jokervich]

In before weak era, green clay, beat post prime geriatric guy etc.

And yes to answer your question.

 

[ForehandCross]

Umm only a little far off on grass. As for hard I personally think there's a world of difference between USO and AO courts.

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

Clay - equal (Roger had best version of warriordal & BO5 finals)
Slow HC - Nole better
Fast HC - Fed better
Grass - Fed better

 

[RS]

More Slams on hard
More Slams on clay
6 to 8 Slams on grass but:

2020 edition wasn't held,
3-0 h2h in Wimbledon finals,
Djokovic is at the peak of his dominance (won last 3 editions) and could add more titles

Does 6 matches played in 2004/2005/2006/2007 compared to 19 matches played in 2011/2012/2015/2016 play any factor in the h2h?

 

[beard]

Hard and clay obviously yes... Grass not yet, but if he get two more Wimbledon titles......

 

[Antonio Puente]

Djoker never beat a good version of Fed at Wimbledon.

Djoker has a losing slam finals record at one of the HC slams, Fed does not.

RG? It's marginal, so who cares.

 

[Tennis_Freak99]

Beckerserve serves Boris Becker crystal meth at Wimbledon

That's very much possible

 

[BeatlesFan]

More Slams on hard
More Slams on clay
6 to 8 Slams on grass but:

Make sure to spend Sunday painting this on your garage. Share your great love for Nole with the world! Start mixing the paint now.

 

[spottishwood]

No

 

[NoleIsBoat]

Modern surfaces - yes.

I think Federer would do better on faster grass and carpet

 

[Jonas78]

Lol no

 

[NoleIsBoat]

More Slams on hard
More Slams on clay
6 to 8 Slams on grass but:

2020 edition wasn't held,
3-0 h2h in Wimbledon finals,
Djokovic is at the peak of his dominance (won last 3 editions) and could add more titles

I think djokovic is clearly better on the modern grass. 3-1 is a decent sample size.

in b4 “Federer old” when he reached 5 finals and another SF in his 30s

 

[Third Serve]

Can we vote multiple options?

 

[Third Serve]

you are on your third account here

Yes, my previous two were GameSampras and 90’s Clay. Ya got me.

 

[Kralingen]

I do think Federer is better on faster HC. Cincy+mid 2000s US Open and possibly Rebound Ace as well.

 

[Sampras-Bruguera 1993]

Hes taken Fed down in 3 Wimbledon finals in a row, one more Wimbledon title which ties him with Pete and he probably is considered a better grass player than Fed too

 

[Jonas78]

Clay is pretty even. Its only Nadal standing in the way for both of them, or else their clay titles would be just as balanced as the rest, with multiple FOs. In other words, none of them beats Nadal at his best on clay, Federer was more "unlucky" because his peak coincided more with Nadals clay peak.

Federer the better grass court player. 3-0 in finals when Djokovic couldnt beat Fed on grass before Fed was 33y old is irrelevant when it comes to peak for peak. Its pretty laughable that a rivalry from 33y old to 38y old is used against him.

Djoko better on slow/medium slow HC, Federer better on fast/ medium fast.

According to his haters, Federer will always be the only player in history who won the most when he played his worst tennis, ans he won almost nothing when he played his best.

 

[The Blond Blur]

 

[Madinolf]

Can we vote multiple options?

Now you can.

 

[helterskelter]

Does 6 matches played in 2004/2005/2006/2007 compared to 19 matches played in 2011/2012/2015/2016 play any factor in the h2h?

To be fair, Federer's age advantage in 2004, 2005, and 2006 was absolutely huge and FAR bigger than Djokovic's age advantage in any of 2011, 2012, 2015, and 2016. 2007 is the only year where the age advantage was comparable.

 

[Sunny014]

Top 3-4 Peak level GOATs on Surfaces :

On Faster Hard Courts : Federer 04 > Pistol Peter 95 > Lendl (86-87)
On Slower Hard Courts : Djokovic 11 = Safin 04-05 = Federer 06-07 > Agassi 95
On Fast Grass : Pistol Peter 97 = Federer 03-06 > Mcenroe 84
On Slow Grass : Federer 03-06 > Djokovic 15 > Claydull 08
On Red Clay : Claydull 08 > Borg 78 > Lendl 86
On Blue Clay : Federer > Others
On Carpets : Pistol Peter Hannover 96 > Mcenroe late 70s-early 80s > Becker Late 80s


Federer = 5 Entries
Pistol Peter = 3 Entries
Djokovic = 2 Entries
Claydull = 2 Entries
Mac = 2 Entries
Lendl = 2 Entries

 

[Jonesy]

Are we counting the moral 2020 Wimbledon? If so, yes. If not, yes too.

 

[Backspin1183]

No, Djokovic is worse than Federer on grass, clay and hard court. Just a tad better on ice.

 

[TMF]

Clay - equal (Roger had best version of warriordal & BO5 finals)
Slow HC - Nole better
Fast HC - Fed better
Grass - Fed better

Federer is better on slow grass, and miles ahead on fast grass.

 

[Djokovic2011]

Federer is better on slow grass, and miles ahead on fast grass.

Hasn't Federer always played on slow grass as well?

 

[jm1980]

Federer is better on slow grass, and miles ahead on fast grass.

Right, because Djokovic sure played a ton of matches on fast grass for you to be able to make that assessment

 

[jm1980]

Top 3-4 Peak level GOATs on Surfaces :

On Faster Hard Courts : Federer 04 > Pistol Peter 95 > Lendl (86-87)
On Slower Hard Courts : Djokovic 11 = Safin 04-05 = Federer 06-07 > Agassi 95
On Fast Grass : Pistol Peter 97 = Federer 03-06 > Mcenroe 84
On Slow Grass : Federer 03-06 > Djokovic 15 > Claydull 08
On Red Clay : Claydull 08 > Borg 78 > Lendl 86
On Blue Clay : Federer > Others
On Carpets : Pistol Peter Hannover 96 > Mcenroe late 70s-early 80s > Becker Late 80s


Federer = 5 Entries
Pistol Peter = 3 Entries
Djokovic = 2 Entries
Claydull = 2 Entries
Mac = 2 Entries
Lendl = 2 Entries

Blue clay, an experiment that lasted for one tournament being listed as a "surface" to pad Federer's résumé

 

[Sunny014]

Blue clay, an experiment that lasted for one tournament being listed as a "surface" to pad Federer's resume

Nadal cried a lot on blue clay and threatened to boycott clay if that surface was not removed.

Sadly Djokovic also supported Nadal....

 

[Yugram]

Federer is better in fantasy matches. Djokovic in every other condition.

 

[jm1980]

Nadal cried a lot on blue clay and threatened to boycott clay if that surface was not removed.

Sadly Djokovic also supported Nadal....

And?

If you're going to count blue clay as a "surface," you may as well add the grass/clay combination Federer and Nadal played in that exho as a "surface"

 

[daggerman]

Djokovic is only better on freshly-surfaced Plexicushion and snow, though Roger's time skiing in the Swiss Alps calls that into question, too.

 

[Sunny014]

And?

If you're going to count blue clay as a "surface," you may as well add the grass/clay combination Federer and Nadal played in that exho as a "surface"

I can count Green clay as a surface on which Connors won. That was similar to Blue clay....

 

[jm1980]

I can count Green clay as a surface on which Connors won. That was similar to Blue clay....

LOL, green clay is not at all similar to blue clay

Blue clay was supposed to play exactly the same as the red clay Madrid had before. But they messed up the preparation of the courts that year, causing it to become too slippery

 

[jm1980]

Nadal cried a lot on blue clay and threatened to boycott clay if that surface was not removed.

Sadly Djokovic also supported Nadal....

They were obviously going to listen to Nadal regardless of what Djokovic had to say

I hope one day after Nadal retires they'll try it again, because it made for a much better viewing experience

 

[Sunny014]

They were obviously going to listen to Nadal regardless of what Djokovic had to say

I hope one day after Nadal retires they'll try it again, because it made for a much better viewing experience

Organizers should not always listen to everything the players say, if Nadal cannot adapt to blue clay and wants to boycott it then thats his problem, someone else like Federer or Verdasco will win, game is bigger than Nadal or Federer or anyone.

 

[Ray Mercer]

There should be an option in the poll for the OP is a moron.

 

[joohan]

I’ll just point out that very few people can/have done what Roger was capable of doing to Novak on certain occasions. Obviously, Fed’s skill set is pretty unique but he’s one of the few who has “more talent” (for lack of better term) and imagination to both surprise Novak with his solutions time and again and have enough quality to pull it off for sufficient amount of time (to win the match). Think RG 2011. Even that may not be enough (think SW 2019), obviously, but I feel like it was hard for a Fed to get into/hold on to those states of mind to consistently beat Nole in the biggest matches. Rafa can do that much better...maybe because he does that almost every match regardless who’s he playing...

 

[Villain]

All of Fed’s wins at Wimbledon were on the same speed grass as Nole’s grass, so lol at that. And Fed equal to Nole on clay? I guess I missed the part where Fed equaled Nole in FOs, Clay Masters, total clay tournaments won, and clay winning percentage. Also, I would like to see the matches where Fed beat Nadal at the French.

 

[King No1e]

Yes. Even on grass. Cow wouldn't have half his Wimbledon titles if he came up against any real competition as opposed to Roddick, Philippoussis, Bjorkman, Grosjean, etc.

 

[TMF]

Hasn't Federer always played on slow grass as well?

He has played when the grass was fast. See 2001 when he beat Sampras, and Philippoussis playing attacking serve-volley.

 

[TMF]

Right, because Djokovic sure played a ton of matches on fast grass for you to be able to make that assessment

Djokovic's style suits best on slow, high bounce grass.

 

[TMF]

Nadal cried a lot on blue clay and threatened to boycott clay if that surface was not removed.

Sadly Djokovic also supported Nadal....

They can't adapt to a new environment. They lost early, but Federer learned to adapt and won the tournament.

Triac had to replace the blue clay back to red because Djokodal threaten to boycott the event in the future.

 

[TMF]

Organizers should not always listen to everything the players say, if Nadal cannot adapt to blue clay and wants to boycott it then thats his problem, someone else like Federer or Verdasco will win, game is bigger than Nadal or Federer or anyone.

Despite with all the advantage they enjoy when the ATP/ITF turned the era into homogenization, they couldn't leave the blue clay alone and force Triac to abolish the surface.

 

[jm1980]

Djokovic's style suits best on slow, high bounce grass.

Djokovic's style is a product of his time. There's no way to know how he would have played in the '90s

 

[Spencer Gore]

Is Djokovic better than Federer on every surface?

As I'm not a fan of either player I think I can give an objective answer.

Yes.

 

[ohiostate124]

He’s not better on any surface.

 

[jm1980]

On Fast Grass : Pistol Peter 97 = Federer 03-06 > Mcenroe 84
On Slow Grass : Federer 03-06 > Djokovic 15 > Claydull 08

Also, how come Federer 03-06 is simultaneously on fast and slow grass?

 

[Sunny014]

Also, how come Federer 03-06 is simultaneously on fast and slow grass?

Because Federer's game is perfect for both types of grass, he actually played SNV in 2003 and won the title on a grass that was behaving like old grass, he won't have to change anything, his game is fine for that old grass too, just has to play a few matches to get the grip or it.