Is Djokovic the greatest challenge of Nadal's career?

The-Champ said:
Your way of misconstruing what people say evokes questions about your thinking faculty. She/he was critical of Nole's celebrations, even the Bryans, thought their way of celebrating was odd, that's all she/he said. She never claimed the Bryans hold the absolute truth from here to eternity. what are you trying to prove?
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Are you her lawyer?
 
The-Champ said:
are you her judge?
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Don't pay them any attention. They've been doing this for years. Five years, to be exact.

Going back four years to find a post says it all. That was from a thread called Djokovic: I was born to win. A rather cocky statement that turned me off from Novak. All of that happened when Novak was around 19 years old, a new talent on the tour and talking much trash. Many people didn't like him, but over time you get over things like that, (that is, if you evolve as a person) or, you can choose to be one of those people who like to hold onto such things forever.

I choose the former.
 
TheTruth said:
You have never seen me post negative things about Novak
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TheTruth said:
Djokovic is an idiot. The commentators may be covering it up by gushing over him, but anyone who takes timeouts to win matches they are losing, is a loser.

Believe your own eyes and ears. Some people cannot be trusted!
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LOLLLLLL, TheTruth simply cannot face the truth. And follows it up with really pathetic excuses :).


TheTruth said:
Four years is a long way to go back, don't you think? People have the options to change their opinion
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Great post, TheTruth! An opinion isn't set in stone forever. Dijana Djokovic's son being No. 1 may not have been a good thing a few years ago but it's a fantastic development for the sport if it happens now. As people change, our perceptions of them change as well. Why is such a simple fact beyond some of the dumb-heads here?

TheTruth said:
Don't pay them any attention. They've been doing this for years. Five years, to be exact.

Going back four years to find a post says it all. That was from a thread called Djokovic: I was born to win. A rather cocky statement that turned me off from Novak. All of that happened when Novak was around 19 years old, a new talent on the tour and talking much trash. Many people didn't like him, but over time you get over things like that, (that is, if you evolve as a person) or, you can choose to be one of those people who like to hold onto such things forever.

I choose the former.
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ksbh said:
Great post, TheTruth! An opinion isn't set in stone forever. Dijana Djokovic's son being No. 1 may not have been a good thing a few years ago but it's a fantastic development for the sport if it happens now. As people change, our perceptions of them change as well. Why is such a simple fact beyond some of the dumb-heads here?
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Thank you. I feel the same way. You're in a lot of trouble if you insist on maintaining the same position year in and year out. There are many players who I've warmed up to over the years. It just feels silly to keep holding onto silly stuff like that. You see these guys and girls out here trying to make a living and living out their dreams, and it just seems petty to trash them.

I don't know. Because they're dumb-heads? j/k. I think some people are just fanatical about their players and they feel insulted and offended if you don't share their views, that's the only explanation I can offer.

But it's all good. I don't let people who I don't know, and whose opinions I don't respect get under my skin. I come here to talk about tennis and I'm sorry some if people take offense, that's their problem.
 
(Winning the US Open was the greatest challenge of Rafa's career. And guess who he beat in the Final....

Actually, that US Open Final was an easy match compared to the 2009 Australian Open Final. So maybe winning the AO was Rafa's greatest challenge, or Wimbledon, even tougher scoreline)
 
TheNatural said:
did you do the googling yet?:lol:
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you should drop the Sauce... that (lame) joke was directed to Aphex. your alcholism is doing no good. you are confusing people!


and i stand by what i sent you in the email...
 
BULLZ1LLA said:
(Winning the US Open was the greatest challenge of Rafa's career. And guess who he beat in the Final....

Actually, that US Open Final was an easy match compared to the 2009 Australian Open Final. So maybe winning the AO was Rafa's greatest challenge, or Wimbledon, even tougher scoreline)
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QIA. Good to see somebody talking sense here.

I said it before as well. There has been and probably will be no bigger challenge in tennis for Nadal than winning against Federer on Wimbledon. The greatest ever player on his beloved grass. Especially if you grow up as a clay court specialist.

Add to that winning the US open, Australian open and ofcourse the Olympic gold medal on a superfast court.
 
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ViscaB said:
QIA. Good to see somebody talking sense here.

I said it before as well. There has been and probably will be no bigger challenge in tennis for Nadal than winning against Federer on Wimbledon. The greatest ever player on his beloved grass. Especially if you grow up as a clay court specialist.

Add to that winning the US open, Australian open and ofcourse the Olympic gold medal on a superfast court.
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Rafa has faced many challenges and conquered them, much to the chagrin of many.
 
TheTruth said:
I'm not saying it's a good or bad thing, I'm just saying what happened. And while I enjoyed your post, because it was logical, I still think so many things are premature. None of us know what's going to happen in the future, so to speak with certainty about future results is silly.

At one time del Po was going to dominate everything. It didn't happen.

SoderKing was also supposed to dominate Rafa, but that didn't happen either.

Cilic was supposedly in with half a shot, but his star burned very quickly as well.

I think I'm just a little tired of getting a new King every year to take Nadal down.

I also agree with the last bolded part. I've always enjoyed Rafa-Novak and Rafa-Murray matches, even knowing that Nadal could lose.

I'm not this diehard fan that loooveess my player so much that I wish his opponents ill will, bad results, or in some extreme cases, death.

Tennis is a sport, and to be honest, other people's results have no bearing on my life. I watch it, and get over it. The past is the past. So people really "feeling" this stuff blow me away. I'm just not that person.

I am happy for Novak because he's been behind Rafa and Fed for a long time. He's earned everything that's he gotten. I have no problem with that at all. I am a fan, not a fanatic.
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Oh I agree that tennis can turn around in the blink of an eye, and that predicting even 6 months ahead is impossible. So I'm not claiming that Djokovic is the new king. But until his recent good form, it seemed Nadal would have no-one to stop him winning everything and now it seems like it may not be the case. Who knows.

Anyway, apologies, it's just that it seemed like in the post I replied to, you were slightly criticising Novak for retiring and not fighting Federer the way Nadal did, and that you were annoyed that just as Nadal had got what he fought for for so long, Djokovic finally comes into his own and reaps the rewards. But he's missed out on years of winning slams, so everything evens out. Like I said he just developed a bit later. The fact that he didn't develope sooner is good news for both Nadal and Federer. I feel he had the game to beat them both in slams as far back as 2007 (on hardcourts) and I think when you see Nadal's hardcourt losses, Novak could have been one of those guys to beat him if he had met him before last year's US Open, where Nadal played his best HC tennis ever. Say Djokovic had developed earlier, he might have beaten both Nadal and Fed in 2009 AO and denied Nadal of a career slam. All specualtion,but Djokovic not becoming this good until now, made the top a bit less crowded.
 
Towser83 said:
Oh I agree that tennis can turn around in the blink of an eye, and that predicting even 6 months ahead is impossible. So I'm not claiming that Djokovic is the new king. But until his recent good form, it seemed Nadal would have no-one to stop him winning everything and now it seems like it may not be the case. Who knows.

Anyway, apologies, it's just that it seemed like in the post I replied to, you were slightly criticising Novak for retiring and not fighting Federer the way Nadal did, and that you were annoyed that just as Nadal had got what he fought for for so long, Djokovic finally comes into his own and reaps the rewards. But he's missed out on years of winning slams, so everything evens out. Like I said he just developed a bit later. The fact that he didn't develope sooner is good news for both Nadal and Federer. I feel he had the game to beat them both in slams as far back as 2007 (on hardcourts) and I think when you see Nadal's hardcourt losses, Novak could have been one of those guys to beat him if he had met him before last year's US Open, where Nadal played his best HC tennis ever. Say Djokovic had developed earlier, he might have beaten both Nadal and Fed in 2009 AO and denied Nadal of a career slam. All specualtion,but Djokovic not becoming this good until now, made the top a bit less crowded.
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This was the prevailing theory which I never ascribed to, sport changes too much and many of the things people argue today never happen.

It may have sounded like that, but I am not annoyed at Novak. He's been in the Top 3 for years behind Rafa and Fed. He's remained consistent and deserves the accolades and praise heaped on him.

I agree. I thought he had the game to do so long before now, and was disappointed in how he played some of the bigger matches back then.

I totally agree with your last point and fully expected Novak to win that USO. Although I wanted Nadal to complete the cgs, I was sad for Nole and thought that something good would/should happen for him, even if it was it Rafa's expense. That cgs was important for Rafa, and I'm happy that he got it. Now I can rejoice with Novak as well.

I'm still a fan of Djokovic and will be happy anyway this whole RG goes. I like Rafa, Djokovic, and Murray, so I have three horses in the race, and whichever one wins I will feel sorry for the other and move on.
 
TheTruth said:
This was the prevailing theory which I never ascribed to, sport changes too much and many of the things people argue today never happen.

It may have sounded like that, but I am not annoyed at Novak. He's been in the Top 3 for years behind Rafa and Fed. He's remained consistent and deserves the accolades and praise heaped on him.

I agree. I thought he had the game to do so long before now, and was disappointed in how he played some of the bigger matches back then.

I totally agree with your last point and fully expected Novak to win that USO. Although I wanted Nadal to complete the cgs, I was sad for Nole and thought that something good would/should happen for him, even if it was it Rafa's expense. That cgs was important for Rafa, and I'm happy that he got it. Now I can rejoice with Novak as well.

I'm still a fan of Djokovic and will be happy anyway this whole RG goes. I like Rafa, Djokovic, and Murray, so I have three horses in the race, and whichever one wins I will feel sorry for the other and move on.
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Yeah I think Rafa really deserved to win the career slam, though since Novak had not won a second slam yet, almost 3 years after his first, I was hoping Novak would do it. Sadly for him it wasn't the right time. I think in previous years he'd have done it, but he always seemed to fall short against Federer in matches where each set was very close but Novak didn't seem to believe or be aggresive enough at the key time. At the US Open last year, Rafa played great, Novak was still trying to get the power back in his serve and I think he tried to out defend against Nadal instead of attacking. I really hope he gets the US Open though, it would be sad if he didn't after making 2 finals and 2 semis in a row and only losing to Federer and Nadal.
 
No. The greatest challenge of Nadal's career was and will always be Federer and vice versa. Federer is someone Nadal looked up to who has motivated him to grow and involve as a player. The two of them are each going down as one of the greatest ever and one of tennis' great rivalries. I just don't see Djokovic as someone very relevant in Nadal's career to be honest because Nadal has practically done it all. Him losing ground to a hungrier less accomplished player at this point is natural. When he was chasing the career golden slam and the #1 rank Novak couldn't deny him anything. It was often Federer standing in his way. I know Djokovic is having an incredible year and I hear people talk of him now as if he's a tennis great which he is not. He may well be but right now he's just someone with two slams who is on a blazing hot streak. He hasn't accomplished a tenth as much as Federer nor has it been proven how much longevity his current dominance has.
 
everything conspired against Djokovic today. The fans were all for Fed. the one jackass yelled out int eh first set and Djok missed the foreahnd on game pt. The chair umpire warned him about the time violation. The fans were practically rabid for Federer. This inhibited and affected Nole's play and he could not get his A game going. Fed did and served as well as he ever has. Nice win for Fed but the pressure and intangibles did Djok in today.
 
montrealforum said:
everything conspired against Djokovic today. The fans were all for Fed. the one jackass yelled out int eh first set and Djok missed the foreahnd on game pt. The chair umpire warned him about the time violation. The fans were practically rabid for Federer. This inhibited and affected Nole's play and he could not get his A game going. Fed did and served as well as he ever has. Nice win for Fed but the pressure and intangibles did Djok in today.
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...and he was constipated

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