dr325i
G.O.A.T.
OMG, you do not understand the basics.
Go back to your home schooling
Is Djokovic the most complete player of all times?
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Go back to your home schooling
RF-18
Talk Tennis Guru
Nadal has 6 finals in Miami, won zero. Lol. Yea he doesn't care about that tournament of course. You didnt answer my question either about all players preferring Indian wells. And so what if they prefered it? Doesn't make Miami not a big title.
dr325i
G.O.A.T.
So, if Nadal skips it every other year (2014, 2016, 2018) but all others attend, it means it is "irrelevant".
1500 points is irrelevant?? that is about 10-15% of ALL points #1 collected throughout the whole season?
How do you come up with this and total nonsense???
It is like saying Barcelona is irrelevant tournament because Novak and Fed never attend it...
Ranking the 10 Most Dominant Seasons in Tennis History
Novak Djokovic had an outstanding year in 2011, winning three of the four Grand Slam events, but was it among the most dominant seasons in tennis history? Was that more dominant ...
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Can't see Nadal in that list.....
Ultimate Tennis Statistics - Best Seasons
Most successful Open Era tennis seasons by all-time greats
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Who had the greatest season ever: Federer in '06 or Djokovic in '15?
Three Grand Slams. Six Masters 1000 titles (a record). 11 tournament wins. The year-end title at the ATP World Tour Finals. An 82-6 record. A lead over the No. 2 player by a staggering 7,915 points, the equivalent of almost four Grand Slam…
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Nadal seasons are never in the discussion....
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No comment....
Who had the greatest season ever: Federer in '06 or Djokovic in '15?
Three Grand Slams. Six Masters 1000 titles (a record). 11 tournament wins. The year-end title at the ATP World Tour Finals. An 82-6 record. A lead over the No. 2 player by a staggering 7,915 points, the equivalent of almost four Grand Slam…
ftw.usatoday.com
People don't seem to think that losing to Garcia Lopez was pretty special.
skaj
Legend
And we know who his peers are and how great the current players are at the net on average.
Beckerserve
Legend
If you actually followed closely they had to increase points and prize money because players kept withdrawing. So you prove my point perfectly. As for Barcelona it is irrelevant. It is merely a warm up event. For players like the Big 4 500 events are not big at all.
Beckerserve
Legend
Miami is not a big title now. Federer also skips it regularly
canta_Brian
Hall of Fame
Beckerserve
Legend
Seems you have lost the conversation if you resort to trolling sir. Federer also skips miami regularly.
Beckerserve
Legend
So you do not read the pressers etc ? That is fine your choice. I tend to like reading them and th reasons why players withdraw from an event
RF-18
Talk Tennis Guru
0 titles. Sad stuff.
dr325i
G.O.A.T.
Federer also skips FO regularly. Is that irrelevant too??
dr325i
G.O.A.T.
Can you please show us the press release where 3 out of top 20 players or ANY OTHER that skipped said that he or she withdrew from Miami because it is irrelevant or not real M1000.
thanks.
Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
At his age, Fed is going to be skipping a lot more tournaments. Worth noting that he never missed a French Open until he was 34.
Beckerserve
Legend
As you will be aware they would be more discreet but i can tell you there is a move to have Miami non-mandatory and a 500 event.
Beckerserve
Legend
He has skipped it once i believe. Other times he has been injured. Once in 20 years as a pro.
Beckerserve
Legend
19 more than compensates i am sure.
dr325i
G.O.A.T.
Ah, OK, Donald...it is a secret you cannot show us but yes, they are transporting bad people in airplanes to block Miami...
I get it...
dr325i
G.O.A.T.
Same with Miami...he skipped once
and played 2017, 2018, 2019
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dr325i
G.O.A.T.
Not my point but thanks for pointing the obvious...
What he is saying makes no sense.
1) Same number of top players attended Miami as IW, year after year.
2) Rafa skips it because he cannot win it and a loss for him is devastating because he strives on win streaks not losses. That is why he is "injured" most of indoor season, WTF and Miami...
3) He is claiming a conspiracy theory against Miami in brewing and how he reads between the lines of the press releases that no one else sees...
So... You're basically accusing Novak for not playing in other eras? Oh boy...
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no dude, I'm saying that if we answer the question that says "all times" then Novak isn't the most complete player, as there is at least one other player that fits better this description.
now if you want to glorify Novak, then ask a different question.
Beckerserve
Legend
I take it Miami is your favourite event outside the Majors. Did not mean to offend if you are from Miami. I was just stating the pros perspective not meaning to cause offence. I love Miami as a place to visit. Some great parties out there. People are lovely too.
dr325i
G.O.A.T.
Clearly says I am in TX. I don’t have anything against or for Miami or any other tournament.
You are stating NOTHING. No pro has stated that and would make no sense to do so with 17 of the top 20 attending the tournament.
I am not sure how you convinced yourself that Pros dislike Miami or any other tournament specifically that Nadal does not attend???
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
Not by me it won't.
But Borg won slams by playing serve and volley. Nole could only won slams as a baseliner.
Borg is more of a complete player.
Nope they are not a complete player when comparing to a player like Borg.
ForehandCross
G.O.A.T.
Federer skips it. Yet is the defending champion. ***Nadal bias logic***
What for?
You want me to say Nole is more of a complete player than Thiem doesn't change fact that both players are not complete as Borg.
And Borg did both exceptionally well.
TearTheRoofOff
G.O.A.T.
He was defeated in finals there by great players; it doesn't necessarily discredit his multi-faceted skillset.
The last time anyone could win a Slam playing s&w was 20 years ago.
Federer isn't the GOAT, and neither is Nadal nor Djokovic
Is it a mere coincidence the three all-time Grand Slam winners are playing in the same era? Perhaps not, and that's a telling sign.
Much easier to win slams nowadays.
Nadal is the perfect example of that. In the 90's with his style of play he would have 12 FO and....that's it.
Novak has proven his ability to adapt more to quicker conditions...
Biotic
Hall of Fame
Federer isn't the GOAT, and neither is Nadal nor Djokovic
Is it a mere coincidence the three all-time Grand Slam winners are playing in the same era? Perhaps not, and that's a telling sign.www.espn.com
Much easier to win slams nowadays.
Nadal is the perfect example of that. In the 90's with his style of play he would have 12 FO and....that's it.
Novak has proven his ability to adapt more to quicker conditions...
Easier for top dogs, sure. But for many reasons, not only court conditions. Can't agree with the rest. Nadal has been able to gradually adapt his game to grass and HC over the years. Not his fault bounce is higher and court are slower these last 20 years. He had no reason to adapt to lightning fast courts as there are (almost) none.
Also, Agassi won 1992 Wimbledon playing baseline tennis. No reason to believe Nadal couldn't do the same at least once.
Agassi was better than Nadal tennis wise. He hit a much cleaner ball.
President
Legend
Check this out, this practice court looks quite fast. It's actually amazing the way he gets down for the ball and uses his technique on such a surface.
Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
I think winning RG 6 times is good enough to prove he had a good baseline game.
As for not winning the USO, that is the one spot on his resume. However, he faced tough competition there including the USO co-GOAT (some would argue the sole USO GOAT) and another excellent hard court player. He made four finals there losing to both players.
Your ignorance of past eras is showing.
Fed the better tennis player and most complete player
Nadal the fitter player and the greatest on clay...
Novak the most complete player from the baseline and the greatest mental strength winning GS SF and F against Fed saving match points and outclassing Nadal at the AO 2019 Wimb 2011.
He won slams by playing serve/volley at Wimbledon, and baseline at the FO.
Nole had never won a slam playing serve and volley, but only 1 style in a homogenized environment. In fact, since Sampras retire in early 2000, the only player to win a slam by playing serve/volley is Federer who won Wimbledon in 2003.
Lew II
G.O.A.T.
There are different types of playing from the baseline
Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
True, there's offensive and defensive baselining. The Big 3 can do both of these well, with Federer of course being more of an attacking player and Nadal and Djokovic (Djokovic less so) being more of defending players.
Phoenix1983
G.O.A.T.
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