Is Djokovics RG 2013 SF for Djokovic fans what Federers Wimbledon 2019 F is for Federer fans?

Cortana

Cortana

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If we look at the most painful loss, it kind of resembles the same thing. Federer had 2 MP in the Wimbledon 2019 final and he blew it. Djokovic felt on the net and lost the most crucial point of the match which would have won him the match by a very high chance.

Both soulcrushing in a similiar way.
 
Nope and for multiple reasons.

Fed loss came at the end while Djokovic at the beginning. Meaning their is impotent rage in fed fans because they knew fed has no chance to reverse.
While even 2015 win gave nolefams much needed closure.


Secondly nole was not guaranteed a win. He was still needing to win 1 game and on clay, things can escalate very quickly. The pt he lost was not even game point. It was deuce pt.
Federer lost on grass on his serve with 1 of left to win. He was so close and still lost.

Finally Djokovic won the slam race and got to be top 5 clay player. Nothing is lost by this match.
Fed is also greatest on grass but would dent Djokovic legacy badly if he won in 2019. But he failed. And something is lost.

It is what it is.
 
Not really for me. Especially not now.

As soon as Djokovic won RG 2016, I didn't care about any of his losses there. I was content if he never even won another title again, because for me, his trophy cabinet was complete.

The fact he went onto win it three times in total and has the slam record more than made up for any losses he had prior to RG 2016....and for the record the 2015 final loss was more devastating at the time.
 
Cortana said:
Do you happen to know these stats for Djokovic and Nadal?
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Djokovic lost 3 after having match points (4 if you consider Davies cup). One was 2009 Madrid Semi VS Nadal. No Slams loses.
Nadal I think is 9 loses with 3 Masters. No Slams loses as well.
 
Cortana said:
If we look at the most painful loss, it kind of resembles the same thing. Federer had 2 MP in the Wimbledon 2019 final and he blew it. Djokovic felt on the net and lost the most crucial point of the match which would have won him the match by a very high chance.

Both soulcrushing in a similiar way.
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Sounds about right. At least Roger didn't Djokosmash his chances away though...
 
Cortana said:
If we look at the most painful loss, it kind of resembles the same thing. Federer had 2 MP in the Wimbledon 2019 final and he blew it. Djokovic felt on the net and lost the most crucial point of the match which would have won him the match by a very high chance.

Both soulcrushing in a similiar way.
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Djokovic won 3 RG's afterwards; Federer didn't make another slam final!
 
Cortana said:
If we look at the most painful loss, it kind of resembles the same thing. Federer had 2 MP in the Wimbledon 2019 final and he blew it. Djokovic felt on the net and lost the most crucial point of the match which would have won him the match by a very high chance.

Both soulcrushing in a similiar way.
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No it was a semi final so can't compare a semi final to a final. USO 2013 Final was more significant although RG2013 perhaps changed the dynamic of the rivalry maybe .
Federer was 39 in 2019 so I don't think you can say it was soul crushing. Federer had no business beating Nadal then getting to 2 MPs against Djokovic the next round at 39 and just really confirmed his undisputed position as the Greatest ever on grass.
 
Not comparable situations. Egg was young and had many attempts left in him to win RG, also it was a SF. 2015 loss prolly hurt his fans more. Starts to become questionable then.

Fedr was on his way out and we're talking about a Wimbledon final championship point. It would've been his greatest victory ever beating the other Big 3 members back to back at his age.

Unfortunately Fedr didn't get a last hurrah like Nadal (RG 2022) and with Egg, he's got Olympics 2024 and GS record. In the grand scheme of things, Fedr deserved a bit more at Wimbledon but it is what it is. He brought the pain on himself lol
 
GuyForget said:
no, because he won it in '16. + did he even have a MP in the 2013 match?
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No, but Djokovic was a break up in the fifth set at 2-0, 3-1 and 4-2, and had the famous touching the net incident when serving at 4-3 (i.e. when Djokovic touched the net before the ball bounced twice) and Nadal broke for 4-4 soon after. It was Djokovic serving to stay in the match at 4-5, 5-6, 6-7 and 7-8. Nadal eventually won 9-7. Djokovic was complaining towards the end of the match because he wanted the court watered. Nadal was hitting a high number of winners for him in that fifth set.

Nadal had previously served for the match at 6-5 up in the fourth set, and ended up losing that set in a tiebreak.
 
I can't remember many, if at all, soul crushing losses for Djokovic.

If you hold the GS record among many others, do you have any room for regrets? Sure, he could've maybe had 25 or 26 slams but come on, no one is close to beating that atm and Fedal are gone so does it matter?

Maybe if Djokovic had a younger rival who was at 22 or 23 slams and losing RG 2013 or 2015 was the difference between being the slam leader or being second place in the history books, that would hurt a LOT more imo but that just isn't the case.

Also, he's won more of these close matches than he's lost so as I mentioned, just not that many bad losses really.

I have to admit though, personally, the Wimbledon 2013 final still kind of annoys me. I've never much liked or warmed up to Murray when he was in his heyday and that straight set loss to him felt really unpleasant at the time.
 
Legend of Borg said:
I can't remember many, if at all, soul crushing losses for Djokovic.

If you hold the GS record among many others, do you have any room for regrets? Sure, he could've maybe had 25 or 26 slams but come on, no one is close to beating that atm and Fedal are gone so does it matter?

Maybe if Djokovic had a younger rival who was at 22 or 23 slams and losing RG 2013 or 2015 was the difference between being the slam leader or being second place in the history books, that would hurt a LOT more imo but that just isn't the case.

Also, he's won more of these close matches than he's lost so as I mentioned, just not that many bad losses really.

I have to admit though, personally, the Wimbledon 2013 final still kind of annoys me. I've never much liked or warmed up to Murray when he was in his heyday and that straight set loss to him felt really unpleasant at the time.
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Djokovic has no regrets today after 20 year old career. This is truly rare. The guy has no regrets.
 
nolefam_2024 said:
I don't

Tell me ONE match
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2011 French semi
2012 French final
2012 US final
2013 French semi
2013 Wimbledon final
2013 US final
2014 Australian quarter
2014 French final

He hired Becker as coach at the end of 2013 for a reason, and that was because he was losing a lot of big matches.

And then there's whole Australia business of late 2021/early 2022. One day, the whole truth of that might come out from an investigative journalist.
 
Mustard said:
2011 French semi
2012 French final
2012 US final
2013 French semi
2013 Wimbledon final
2013 US final
2014 Australian quarter
2014 French final

He hired Becker as coach at the end of 2013 for a reason, and that was because he was losing a lot of big matches.

And then there's whole Australia business of late 2021/early 2022. One day, the whole truth of that might come out from an investigative journalist.
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None of these matter.


I asked grok and it literally says the only regret Djokovic can have is not winning cygs.
 
GabeT said:
What is it with you and RG 22? You realize no Novak fan gives a hoot?

Nadal winning at RG is always the most likely scenario
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That's when Nadal retired to be honest so this troll wants to say tennis finished that day. While coping not allowing himself to accept that tennis continues , Nadal lost the slam race with a big 2023. Very sad.
 
nolefam_2024 said:
That's when Nadal retired to be honest so this troll wants to say tennis finished that day. While coping not allowing himself to accept that tennis continues , Nadal lost the slam race with a big 2023. Very sad.
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With Nadal out injured. Djokovic outlasted Nadal, which is different to being better in my opinion.
 
Mustard said:
The 2013 US Open final between Nadal and Djokovic. It was 1 set all, 4-4 in the third set, and Nadal serving at 0-40 down. Nadal got out of that to hold serve, broke Djokovic for a 2-1 set lead, and then Nadal won the fourth set 6-1.
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It’ll always be the 2-1 Open, bud.
 
Mustard said:
Nadal was a dominant world number 2 as a teenager, winning 11 tournaments in a calendar year at that time. Djokovic just wasn't.
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You are very right. And yet Djokovic won his 22nd slam before Nadal.

Can't even make this up. One guy is surface specialist , other is the goat.
 
nolefam_2024 said:
Nope and for multiple reasons.

Fed loss came at the end while Djokovic at the beginning. Meaning their is impotent rage in fed fans because they knew fed has no chance to reverse.
While even 2015 win gave nolefams much needed closure.


Secondly nole was not guaranteed a win. He was still needing to win 1 game and on clay, things can escalate very quickly. The pt he lost was not even game point. It was deuce pt.
Federer lost on grass on his serve with 1 of left to win. He was so close and still lost.

Finally Djokovic won the slam race and got to be top 5 clay player. Nothing is lost by this match.
Fed is also greatest on grass but would dent Djokovic legacy badly if he won in 2019. But he failed. And something is lost.

It is what it is.
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basically so close but so far. it would be the only time fed would win vs nole and rafa at the same slam!
nole got the all records anyway so noles fans has no reason to be salty or sad for anything. i would be very glad just with him as big3 member but he ended at his own tier!
 
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GoatNo1 said:
basically so close but so long. it would be the only time fed would win vs nole and rafa at the same slam!
nole got the all records anyway so noles fans has no reason to be salty or sad for anything. i would be very glad just with him as big3 member but he ended at his own tier!
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Exactly.

The fedal gang didn't even want nole to be in their tier and he ended up ahead. It's beautiful.
 
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