Is Emma's win a bigger story than a potential Novak's CYGS?

Midaso240

Hall of Fame
CYGS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 slam by a 18 year old

A CYGS will NOT be done in the next 100 years. 18 yr old girls can and win slams.

How is this even comparable. Novak's achievement is FAR FAR bigger. It's bought tennis into main spotlight.
I can pretty confidently say that in the next 100 years we will never see anything like Raducanu again, qualifying for the USO then winning it without dropping a set. Before this year, she'd never played anyone in the top 100. It's certainly believable to me that we'd see another CYGS, with the homogenized court conditions we have now and they continue to play best of 5. As well as the fact that the next time there is a dominant player, there won't be 2 of the 3 greatest players in the way (as there mostly hasn't been this year for Djokovic)
 

Tennisgods

Hall of Fame
If I remember correctly no qualifier, woman or man, has ever reached the final of a GS let alone won it. The CYGS has been accomplished a few times. Clearly one is harder than the other...
It’s certainly a massive thing. Ridiculous to contemplate:1st tournament win is a slam, came through qualies to do it, didn’t drop a set. Insane.

Whereas when I look at the gap between Djokovic’s level of assuredness vs any potential opponent on the men’s tour today, it becomes more a case of “why wouldn’t you achieve the CYGS?”

Honestly, I still don’t understand how he screwed up the Olympics to be honest.
 

Sephiroth

Hall of Fame
It might gain bigger publicity than the CYGS, when someone young does something it always gets the biggest news
 

egrorian

Rookie
For the general media probably yes but personally I'd say no because for a considerable majority of people the men's game matters a lot more, that is simply a fact.
 

The Fedfather

Hall of Fame
Google Trends do show Raducanu being more searched than Djokovic in the last 7 days, but there's no data from a lot of Eastern countries. The US, Canada, UK and Australia are all Raducanu dominated though.
Tracking over 30 days with more data available has Djokovic decisively on top, bar the UK, Ireland, New Zealand and Romania.

In the end I think Emma's win can pull away in the West but globally the CYGS would prevail.
 
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Deleted member 771911

Guest
Yes, as a story. She's a qualifier. Was ranked 350 before Wimbledon. Thumped everyone in straights. It's fairy tale stuff and never happens.
The CYGS is of course a big story, but someone just getting more successful and doing what everyone predicted is not as inspiring. It is inspiring but not as.
 

Pavla

Semi-Pro
No. And to respond to the comments that the CYGS has been done before, yes it has, but no man has ever won a CYGS on hardcourt, clay and grass. So Djokovic is still trying to do something that has never been done before.
Yeah, but it's still been done before.
 

Marfrilau

Rookie
Yes, winning one Slam as a qualifier has now substituted the CYGS as the greatest achievement in tennis.
Joke's on you, Novak!
Not necessarily. Historically, the greatest achievement hasn't always been what is the hardest to achieve although personally I think it should be the main criteria. All I'm saying is that data suggest that winning a slam as a qualifier is more difficult than winning the CYGS. The CYGS has been achieved a few times in fewer attempts. If it is more difficult how can that be the case?
 

ScentOfDefeat

G.O.A.T.
There's a certain confusion here between most newsworthy and greatest achievement.
Both these achievements could theoretically be the most newsworthy, depending on who wins and the context.
But only one is the greatest achievement historically.
Otherwise some random guy winning a Formula 1 race coming from last place on the grid once would be a greater achievement historically than another guy winning 8 driver's World Championships and going for a 9th having won all the races that year.
Ivanisevic winning Wimbledon as a wildcard in 2001 might be a greater story than Laver winning the Grand Slam in 1969, but there's no comparison between the two in terms of historical impact on the game.
 

ScentOfDefeat

G.O.A.T.
Not necessarily. Historically, the greatest achievement hasn't always been what is the hardest to achieve although personally I think it should be the main criteria. All I'm saying is that data suggest that winning a slam as a qualifier is more difficult than winning the CYGS. The CYGS has been achieved a few times in fewer attempts. If it is more difficult how can that be the case?
It is also more difficult to make a clearance in snooker by only using reds and yellows (the lowest colour but one of the farthest from the pack of reds).
And yet it provides fewer points, and the maximum break (reds with only blacks, which are closer to the reds) is considered the greatest break you can make in the sport.
 

Marfrilau

Rookie
It is also more difficult to make a clearance in snooker by only using reds and yellows (the lowest colour but one of the farthest from the pack of reds).
And yet it provides fewer points, and the maximum break (reds with only blacks, which are closer to the reds) is considered the greatest break you can make in the sport.
Ok?
 

Rattler

Hall of Fame
When she wins her 21st slam, then maybe!

The ultimate overreaction and lack of perspective!
Tell that to the New York media…Novak is almost a footnote at the moment…don’t get me wrong, it’s a shame, because a Grand Slam is a Herculean accomplishment.
 

mavsman149

Hall of Fame
It’s not bigger, but it’s truly amazing and a huge part of what’s made this US Open so compelling!

It’s almost a shame for her sake the CYGS could happen tomorrow as I feel this story deserves more attention than it’s already getting, but I can’t rate it bigger than a CYGS (if it indeed happens)
 

gadge

Professional
It definitely is bigger. Novak is playing in the weakest era in history.

Anyone in the WTA can win a slam, shows how strong the field is. Much harder to win a slam.

Don't see mugs choking in the WTA, like they do for Novak.
Osaka served for the match
Barty served for the match at 5-2
Pliskova barely put a ball in court against sakkari

Don’t tell me there’s depth in WTA. It’s inconsistency
 

gadge

Professional
I can pretty confidently say that in the next 100 years we will never see anything like Raducanu again, qualifying for the USO then winning it without dropping a set. Before this year, she'd never played anyone in the top 100. It's certainly believable to me that we'd see another CYGS, with the homogenized court conditions we have now and they continue to play best of 5. As well as the fact that the next time there is a dominant player, there won't be 2 of the 3 greatest players in the way (as there mostly hasn't been this year for Djokovic)
If she becomes a great player and goes on to become an ATG she’s gonna be remembered as a teenage phenom like hingis otherwise it’s gonna be remember that time when wta was so inconsistent a qualifier won the USO
 

gadge

Professional
Tell that to the New York media…Novak is almost a footnote at the moment…don’t get me wrong, it’s a shame, because a Grand Slam is a Herculean accomplishment.
Because the women’s final just happened and the men’s hasn’t yet. Wait till it’s over
 

gadge

Professional
The only metric you can compare is the viewership numbers and the men’s final is gonna have more
 

USMC-615

Semi-Pro
Her achievement was off the charts for her age, she played one helluva match…but nowhere near compares to what will happen tomorrow!

These two events are not even on the same planet in comparison. Next thread on tap will be ‘Raducanu vs Djokevich…who wins?‘ Or is that winner thread already floatin’ around somewhere?
 

doodlyd

Rookie
Let me say that Emmas win is a tremendous achievement. But come on ... WTA has even fewer ATG playing ... The field is empty right now so any good player could make good run. Imagine this when Serena Sharapova Henin and etc played in the event and some qualifier take a slam . Thats big... but not today... And Novak makes history , ok he is playing against weak field but CGSM and the first to win a 21 slams . Its not even comparable.

You could say that qualifier is the first time ever to win a slam , but 21 slam is also the first time in history and win 21 slam and cgsm is 21 times harder i think
 

doodlyd

Rookie
If yoy ask her what would you choose to be a first ever to win a slam as a qualifier or to be the first to win a 25 slams ? I guess you wouldn't be suprised by the answer.

She has a chance to become both))
 

upchuck

Hall of Fame
Winning the Grand Slam is the single greatest achievement in tennis, a transcendent accomplishment that will tower over tennis for decades to come. Literally. Winning a major as a teenage qualifier is a tremendous story, but very much a story of the moment. And let's face it, women's tennis is so lacking in consistent stars now that you don't even know how to properly contextualise these slam victories. Is X a flash in the pan, or the sport's next reliable all time great? Time will tell, but the odds are against her.

As for newsworthiness, that's neither here nor there because Emma is British. She's of the kind of nationality that, if you win, it's going to be a massive, massive story because Brits are big sports fans and have a big media presence. It would be a much less newsworthy story if she were Croat or something.
 

StannisTheMannis

Hall of Fame
This is like saying the first person to score a point in nba history is better than Michael Jordan lmao

but the usual copers sure are running with this narrative. Look at them squirm
 

ibbi

Legend
There's a certain confusion here between most newsworthy and greatest achievement.
Both these achievements could theoretically be the most newsworthy, depending on who wins and the context.
But only one is the greatest achievement historically.
Otherwise some random guy winning a Formula 1 race coming from last place on the grid once would be a greater achievement historically than another guy winning 8 driver's World Championships and going for a 9th having won all the races that year.
Ivanisevic winning Wimbledon as a wildcard in 2001 might be a greater story than Laver winning the Grand Slam in 1969, but there's no comparison between the two in terms of historical impact on the game.
Right, but the thread is about which is the bigger story. It says it right there in the title. There shouldn’t be any confusion about that either. Nobody with a brain would argue it’s the greater achievement.
 

Cortana

Hall of Fame
Come on, even as a big Djokovic fan I can admit that Emma is the biggest thing that ever happened in the Open Era.
 

Slapper

Rookie
If Emma's win is a bigger story, it's largely because she's attractive and charming. People like looking at her and listening to her. But this is not to downplay her incredible achievement. What she did is truly amazing; a first that may never be repeated.

But there is no doubt that Djokovic CYGS would be the bigger achievement. The fact that CYGS has been done before is irrelevant. This is more about 21, overtaking Fed and Nadal, and obtaining undeniable GOAT status. I say this as someone who is strongly rooting against Djokovic.
 

BumElbow

Semi-Pro
NO. Not even close. The women's final was not exciting. It was like watching a junior match. Novak has a lifetime of achievement behind him and is going for history.
 

randomtoss

Semi-Pro
As usual on these grounds, people can't make the difference between intrinsic value and newsworthiness. Sometimes it's very difficult to reach a consensus on the first one, but the second one is pretty easily measured.
At the moment, in English language media at least, Raducanu's feat is huge. We will see what happens if Djokovic wins, but it might well be that at the end of the US Open the media will treat both accomplishments together, as a pack.
 

Terry Tibbs

Hall of Fame
If I remember correctly no qualifier, woman or man, has ever reached the final of a GS let alone won it. The CYGS has been accomplished a few times. Clearly one is harder than the other...
Wasnt Ivanisevic a qualifier when he won Wimbledon? I know he was a wildcard but I dont recall if that meant he also had to play qualifying matches.
 

TimHenmanATG

Hall of Fame
I suspect that Emma's story will be the more internationally famous.

I don't mean to sound churlish, but Novak's run will historically be viewed as a player who dominated an era with very unremarkable competition.
 
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