helloworld
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You should never bring the French Open up when we talk about Federer vs Nadal. High five mate FIVE to ZERO! :lol:
Is Federer a dead man walking when he faces Nadal at a slam?
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You should never bring the French Open up when we talk about Federer vs Nadal. High five mate FIVE to ZERO! :lol:
Steve0904
Talk Tennis Guru
Yes, Nadal definitely gears up to play Federer. Most of the reason Nadal plays better and Federer plays "badly" when he plays Nadal is because of the matchup. Just as Djokovic plays better, and Nadal plays "badly" when he plays Djokovic. Same difference.
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
What is this? A *********** dissing Federer for losing 5 times to Nadal at the French Open?
Of all the people, you should just keep your mouth shut when adults are talking about clay. We're talking about a guy who couldn't beat anyone at the French.
DropShotArtist
Banned
Did Sampras skip the FO perennially like Borg did at the AO? I can't seem to ever recall hearing Sampras' name being mentioned at the FO in the 90s.
Nadal is part of his era. They both are #1 and #2 clay courter in their era. Experts have ranked Nadal as the greatest cc and Fed is ranked at #7. What is Sampras' ranked on clay in his era? 100? 200?
underground
G.O.A.T.
RAFA2005RG
Banned
Nadal had played 5 matches at Wimbledon before 2006. Shame on him for not winning instantly, right? Shame on him for not duplicating Boris Becker! Nothing short of a miracle that 20-year-old Nadal made the Wimbledon final.
Cup8489
G.O.A.T.
Well considering you go on and on about him being the greatest in world history or whatever, yeah, he should've won.
Btw, 5 matches before 2006 + 6 matches before the final = 11 matches to prepare for the surface. It's not like playing on grass is like playing on the moon.
But i don't expect you to realize that, since you don't play tennis.
RAFA2005RG
Banned
Yeah, a 20-year-old is supposed to win Wimbledon, over a PRIME Federer. Yeah, right, you have a great grasp on reality :lol:, or do you think 20-year-old Nadal was PRIME Nadal too?
SoBad
G.O.A.T.
Nadal's high school matches don't count on the professional record. He was playing on grass for the first time.
dudeski
Hall of Fame
He didn't. He simply lost early to nobody's.
Dude was just trash at the FO, losing in the early rounds to qualifiers/journeymen/lucky losers/etc.
SoBad
G.O.A.T.
Nadal never played Davydenko in Olympics or Slam, tournaments that matter.
DropShotArtist
Banned
Ahh ok thanks, I didn't realize how pathetic he was on clay. Does that mean with all surfaces now slow like clay, Sampras' would achievements today would be pretty much on par with Andy Murray's?
Cup8489
G.O.A.T.
Well I mean, Nadal was already in his prime having won 2 majors.. and was number 2 in the world..
oh, and that whole 5 matches on grass is bullcrap. Nadal reached the Wimbledon semifinals in the junior tournament, made the 3rd round in 2003, 2nd round in 2005. So you're actually wrong.
But based on your argument, that the GOAT (according to you, i might add, and for all your talk about him being such a multisurface wonder) could lose to Federer, a mug by your own claims, shows that Nadal is pretty weak.
Or you could just stop making excuses and recognize that the number 2 player in the world was a legit finalist and had no excuses.
Cup8489
G.O.A.T.
Towser83
G.O.A.T.
What after losing 7 matches in a row? Yeah real quick.
If he's so smart why did he decide to play singles and doubles at queens despite him being injured since IW according to you and apparently on his last legs (excuse the pun)? Sorry but he sounds like a moron to me. Probably what attracted you to him.
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
It's difficult to have sympathy for Nadal's knee injuries when he keeps playing silly exhos on hardcourts and plays both singles and doubles on hardcourts and grass. :lol:
It's like how do you even make an excuse about your injuries when you're happily killing yourself with all these pointless matches? :lol: I guess *******s have nothing to say.
It's like how do you even make an excuse about your injuries when you're happily killing yourself with all these pointless matches? :lol: I guess *******s have nothing to say.
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monfed
Guest
It's difficult to have sympathy for Nadal's knee injuries when he keeps playing silly exhos on hardcourts and plays both singles and doubles on hardcourts and grass. :lol:
It's like how do you even make an excuse about your injuries when you're happily killing yourself with all these pointless matches? :lol: I guess *******s have nothing to say.
Well thank heavens you're back Mike. And yea, Ralph's knee only flares up after a loss. :lol:
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
I was banned for using the dreaded "R" word to describe a certain member.
Feather
Legend
Which word?
Gonzo_style
Hall of Fame
Federer will replace Sean Penn in Dead Man Walking II
axel89
Banned
kalyan4fedever
Legend
The-Champ
Legend
I thought the mods banned you because they felt you were in need of a job. :shock:
Feather
Legend
Feather
Legend
Oh kewl, thought as much, just asked to confirm it
SoBad
G.O.A.T.
You are the one who is false. Little boys play on grass all the time hitting balls and what not. Nadal obviously wasn't serious about playing until he found himself in the Wimbledon final grass.
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
I think Nadal's physical problems are largely due to Federer and to some extent, Djokovic. The amount of effort it took for Nadal to become world number 1 and win the Wimbledon final on a 3rd attempt ultimately took a burden on his body. You notice that when he finally took the number 1 ranking in the fall of 2008, Nadal was showing the signs of being broken down and couldn't finish the season. He went on a tear after a small break in 2009 and his body failed him again and it took him a year to finally get it together in 2010. And then with the emergence of Djokovic, Nadal had a new threat and it again took a lot of pain to finally get some momentum back and by the time he did, he was injured once again and gone from the tour. Now again he attempts another comeback, this time trying to get full form when clay season hits.
As Murray himself said, nobody on the tour plays as physical a style as Nadal. All the while, Federer is still there playing in every Slam, going into the QFs or more and still ranked in the top 3...even after all these years.
As Murray himself said, nobody on the tour plays as physical a style as Nadal. All the while, Federer is still there playing in every Slam, going into the QFs or more and still ranked in the top 3...even after all these years.
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nikdom
Guest
Great perspective!
As I see it, Federer has always looked at the long run and never allowed even his bitterest defeats let him get down. To me, that's the real winner in life - not the one who never loses - but the guy who always bounces back.
Yes, Nadal does have a winning record over Federer at the slams because of their leftie, one-handed rightie matchup. Matchups are part of the game. Now Djokovic owns Nadal. Does that erase Nadal's achievements?
If anything Nadal has allowed defeats like the Soderling and Rosol ones to get to him. I get the feeling some part of his injury retirements are also psychological - the guy just could not digest getting beat like that.
Flash O'Groove
Hall of Fame
I agree with that. Nadal is probably more hurt by his loss than Federer is. Howether he bounce back just as well. And I think I will once again (but not as soon as the AO).
PrimeChoice
New User
Not @ Wimbeldon
kragster
Hall of Fame
Djokovic owned Nadal in 2011. He does not own Nadal in general. The H2H is still 19-14 in Nadal's favor.
Using match up as an excuse makes no sense to me. Tennis is a game played by two people looking to focus on their strengths and target their opponents weakness. If Nadal was not able to find an answer to Djokovic in 2011 then it does reflect poorly on his ability to change his gameplan. Of course it does not erase his overall achievements though, just like Fed's losses to Nadal must be viewed alongside Fed's overall achievements which far surpass anyone IMO.
Gonzo_style
Hall of Fame
How? Djokovic lost 3 matches in a row...
RAFA2005RG
Banned
And Nadal said his knee was completely numb during the 2012 Roland Garros final vs Djokovic. Djokovic, despite winning their last 3 slam finals, was unable to beat a severely injured Nadal. Healthy Nadal wins that in straight sets next time, book it. Hope they meet at the Australian Open again too.
Nadal has beaten Djokovic in all 3 clay meetings in 2012, and only dropped one set total. In 2011, Djokovic beat Nadal in straight sets at Madrid and Rome. Those were the only straight sets wins Djokovic had over Nadal in 2011. Both were on clay.
Nadal has beaten Djokovic in all 3 clay meetings in 2012, and only dropped one set total. In 2011, Djokovic beat Nadal in straight sets at Madrid and Rome. Those were the only straight sets wins Djokovic had over Nadal in 2011. Both were on clay.
Because for some things there are no good answers, just the best answer possible for the circumstances.
Nadal's game matches up beautifully against Federer's. That's a simple statement of fact. Nadal has his weaknesses, but Federer's natural game doesn't expose those the way that Nadal's natural game exposes Federer's. So, every time they play Nadal gets to play his normal game, the way he does match after match after match and the way he has been playing for many years. And Federer has to leave his natural game to an extent and do something uncomfortable.
So, if they both play 'well', Nadal wins the majority of the time. Federer has to play 'better' than Nadal by a larger margin than he does against just about anyone else on planet Earth.
This doesn't take anything away from Nadal. He is a great champion who deserves all of the titles he has rightfully earned. He has suffered some critical losses to players as a result of bad matchups (Soderling at the French being one example). But to act like Federer should just 'make adjustments' is absurd. The nature of their matchup goes far beyond that.
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NadalAgassi
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Pretty much, always been that way. Federer's hopes of a slam title at all phases of his career begin or end based on whether Nadal is still in the draw comes the semis or finals.
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Deleted member 232704
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I see the war has already begun.
Feather
Legend
At least it's better than NOT worrying about who is in the draw in second round or third round of Wimbledon through out the career
So how do you explain the times Federer has beaten Nadal in slams? Or the fact that Nadal only leads their head-to-head in slams other than the French 3-2 (not forgetting Nadal reached his Prime as Federer's was ending, exacerbated by Federer's bout of mononucleosis).
Clarky21
Banned
RG counts so accept it. Fed fans need to stop this silly play on numbers by excluding Nadal's RG wins over Fed. It's a legit surface and is a legit tournament on the ATP tour. You cannot just erase those results because you don't like them.
smoledman
G.O.A.T.
Really even for Fed's first 7 slams? Nadal was not a factor in Hardcourt or Wimbledon until 2007.
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NadalAgassi
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You are right that Nadal wasnt able to make it deep in hard court slams until 2008 which was great news for Federer who is 2-5 today vs Nadal on outdoor hard courts, and even in his peak years of 04-06 was 1-2 vs a 17-19 year old Nadal on them, which would have been 0-3 without the worst choke of Nadal's career from 2 sets to 0 and 5-3 up in the Miami final.
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