Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by Cesc Fabregas, Oct 18, 2009.
Carrying on from another thread. I vote no, what do you think?
The options shouldve been
Your signature is obviously right: you are a clown.
There should be a 'who cares?' option, I would have voted for that, no offence intended though, just my opinion, it's a free world (almost, bits of it.)
According to Wikipedia, he is an all-court player, and if Wikipedia says so, it has to be true.
And also add these four options:
3. Of course!
4. No doubt!
5. Without question!
6. You have to deaf, dumb, and blind to think otherwise!
i dont know which is worst
your signature or this ridiculous poll
btw my answer is yes
Well, there you go.
The OP is the ONLY one that has voted "No".
That's the definition of pure "Ownage" and "Massive Fail"!
Give it time. Theres plenty of people who will agree with my intelligent view.
He had to have known the reaction he'd get; really boggles the mind why he found it necessary to post this in the first place.
Yep, including GSF, GJ011 (whatever incarnation he's under now), 8pNADAL, etc.
Don't forget Azzari or whatever that dude's name is.
Federer's not an all court player.
Those of you who say no, what kind of player is he then?
Yes he is. Usually he stays on the baseline because he's the baseline GOAT. Other times he comes in a lot.
Check out his Wimbledon match against Tommy Haas - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dctc8_RnhJk
He's coming in a lot, S&V'ing occasionally, coming in off the return. What the hell do you want him to do - come in on every point to acknowledge his all-courtness? The most all court player of Top 10 by a long shot.
So what do you call it when he takes a short ball and hits an aggressive approach shot and follows it to the net? Or when he pounds or chips an opponent's 2nd serve and follows it into the net? Or when he throws in the occasional serve and volley?
If Federer is not an all-court player then what does that make Nadal? A baseball player because he stands out in left field? LOL
Nadal does that, does that make him an all-court player.
Um... No. Nadal only comes in when his opponents drop shot him or mishits a ball that lands inside the service line. Federer will come into the net even if he's behind the baseline if he hits a hard aggressive shot into the corner.
So this is the old argument. I see the majority disagrees with you.
Quoted for truth.
Actually NamRanger thinks Fed is a pure baseliner as well.
He has the ability to be an all-court player but he doesn't exercise that ability enough to be called a true all-court player.
He has a nice transition game and he can serve and volley but he rarely incorporates those elements into his game unless he's in trouble.
IMO, a true all court player will volley at least 50% of the time... whether it's S&V or transitioning to the net on a good approach shot.
Does Federer win 50% of his points at net? No.
NamRanger is a smart guy and a very good poster.
The thread is young... give it time.
Federer's net approaches in notable matches this year...
Australian Open final: 60
Wimbledon final: 59
US Open final: 47
Wimbledon semi: 38
US Open semi 36
US Open quarterfinal: 32
Wimbledon final: 59
He's primarily a baseliner with a good transition game... and who serve's and volleys when he's in trouble.
I think the OP is confusing all court will serve and volley. Just because Federer doesn't come in behind each serve doesn't mean he isn't an all court player.
I beg to differ. Tsonga is definitely more all court than Federer.
I know Federer and his fans have romantic ideas about him S&Ving like Rod Laver but Roger is a baseliner, all his strengths indicate that forehand, movement, footwork etc.
Maybe he is, but the majority has a different opinion than his (and yours).
IF you believe that Federer is a baseliner than how one-dimensional does that make Nadal?
You need to stop making Nadal look bad with all your posts.
What exactly is your definition of an 'all court player'?
Federer has superb skills at the net. He has the best net game in men's tennis today, and while it's not as good as some of the guys in the 90s, if he could beat Pete Sampras with it, it's good enough. Someone posted here a video from Federer vs. Hass from this year's Wimbly, I think you'll be surprised by the number of times Federer came in. He hit drop shots, volleys, lobs, he chipped and charged, a lot of drive volleys. Federer is all court.
Being a baseliner does not make a player one-dimensional :roll:
I can already tell you how this thread's going to pan out.
It's going to be a 80/20 split between people that either automatically like everything Federer does (or actually know what an all-courter is) and people that have a kneejerk reaction against anything Federer does (like Cesc) and a very small group of people that happen to see this issue differently from those in the 80%.
Roger circa 2002-2006 was definitely an all court player.. 2007-2009 he has turned more into a baseliner. He still plays the all court game half the time but he has become more of a solid consistent baseliner for the most part. He doesn't utilize his net game as much anymore. When he does it makes a pretty big difference though. I still consider him an all court player but he has been leaning towards more baseline game than all court game as of late.
Now a question to the crazy fed ****s? What the **** is the big deal? Fed being all court or not doesn't take away 15 slams. Pete Sampras serve and volleyed his way to 14 slams..thats not really all court game in my eyes...I still acknowledge him as great. Lendl baselined his way to 8 slams and 3 dominant seasons..where does being a baseliner take away from that. Nadal played tennis practically in the stands at points on his way to 6 slams..never once did that hurt him. Since when has being a baseliner been a bad thing? Tell Ivan Lendl, Bjorn Borg, Jimmy Connors, Andre Agassi, Jim Courier, Steffi Graf, Monica Seles and Chris Evert that. Nothing wrong with playing at the line for 2/3 of the match.
Federer doesn't play his all court game as much anymore. He still uses it as Jenny points out in the big moments, but face it when you can win more than half your matches without stepping foot away from the baseline..why bother?
A player who knows and uses every shot in the book. To say Federer is just a baseliner is a false statement. He chips and charges, he comes in, he drive volleys a lot, his drop shots are the best in the game by far, he's got decent overheads (both FH and BH), he uses change of pace well with his deadly slice, he hits nice lobs (even invented the overhead lob which he uses from time to time).
Hyperbole doesn't help our cause, either. Federer has decent volleys that are made to look better by his approach shots, that's it. He does not have the best net game in tennis today.
That said, if Federer is not an all-court player, Nadal must be a half-dimensional player, considering that he wins the overwhelming majority of his points with one shot.
ROFL! Go learn something.
That's exacly the issue. Sampras fans say Pete was a true all-courter while Federer is a pure baseline player. We are simply saying it's a wrong statement.
You hit the nail on the head. Federer plays an all-court game when he needs to. He wins more points (by far) from the baseline.
Where was once in this thread said sampras is an all court player? Who says that..almost everyone agrees Sampras serve and volleys. You are saying the fact that someone considered Federer a baseliner a wrong statement..if you point me to someone saying Sampras is an all court player I will surely make a counter arguement there.
I can't understand how someone can ask this with a straight face. Yes Federer is an all-courter but in today's tennis climate he doesn't need to be. He can S&V but it isn't something he does often because he DOESN'T NEED DO.
Federer beat a past his prime Sampras(who still played very well) on the old fast grass of wimbledon.That says something. The first final after wimbledon changed the grass was between hewitt and nalbandian,two baseliners. Federer saw this and stuck to the baseline game,not only at wimbledon but on all the surfaces. As much as some Federer fans want to hype up his S&V game I doubt Federer could have made 7 straight WB finals on fast grass using S&V as the main style(if the best S&V'er in history couldn't do it,I doubt Fed could) like he did on slower grass with his baseline style. Why? Because while Federer knows how to S&V,he is much,much better from the baseline.
But make no mistake,he is an all courter.
I think Wimbledon is truly the place where Fed's all-courtness shines. He just loves to express himself there in every way possible, and his variety of shots usually at Wimbly is insane.
Cesc Febregas and the rest of the Sampras brigade would like a word with you.
Also, watch Sampras matches before 1999. He was all-court.
nadal is an all court player. his all court skills were evident yesterday.
daydenko made him run all over the court!!!
Well, he's sure not baseline or serve-and-volley. Of course he's an all-court player.
it hasnt been said in this thread but OP has said it in other threads....
This is a sequel thread to another thread in which Cesc and NamRanger hailed Pete's baseline game and called him a true all-courter while Fed was simply a baseliner. I can't remember the thread's name, it's been a week or so since then. Maybe Cesc can provide a link.
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