Is federer the best 30yo of all time?

What do you think? while most would agree that he is not quite in his prime anymore he is still pretty darn good. he still consistently reaches semi finals of GS tournaments and challenges nadal and novak hard and occasionally beats them (at least always wins sets) like in the WTF last yeat or in roland garros.

was there ever a 30yo player that was consistently as good as federer at this age?
 
What do you think? while most would agree that he is not quite in his prime anymore he is still pretty darn good. he still consistently reaches semi finals of GS tournaments and challenges nadal and novak hard and occasionally beats them (at least always wins sets) like in the WTF last yeat or in roland garros.

was there ever a 30yo player that was consistently as good as federer at this age?

:lol: I won't say
 
What do you think? while most would agree that he is not quite in his prime anymore he is still pretty darn good. he still consistently reaches semi finals of GS tournaments and challenges nadal and novak hard and occasionally beats them (at least always wins sets) like in the WTF last yeat or in roland garros.

was there ever a 30yo player that was consistently as good as federer at this age?

Wasn't Laver 30 for most of 1969? Nothing against Federer, but I think winning a calendar slam is more impressive.
 
In terms of accomplishments after the age of 30.

Agassi was #1 in the world at 33.

Rod Laver won 38 titles after the age of 30.
 
Pete Sampras comes to my mind. Isn't he the only male player ever to win a Grand Slam in his teens, 20's and 30's?

Sampras was crap after he hit 30. Apart from the 2 US finals he reached (2002 with a help of a joke draw as well) he was useless. If you take away his ranking points for both the 2001 US final and 2002 US victory I don't think he would be in the top 20.
 
What do you think? while most would agree that he is not quite in his prime anymore he is still pretty darn good. he still consistently reaches semi finals of GS tournaments and challenges nadal and novak hard and occasionally beats them (at least always wins sets) like in the WTF last yeat or in roland garros.

was there ever a 30yo player that was consistently as good as federer at this age?

Federer's status as a 30 year old year player can be measured by the accomplishments of other players (i.e. winning majors) when reaching that age--or older:

The list of men in the Open Era to win majors at or past the age 30 is made up of just seven men...

Rod Laver won his 2nd Grand Slam in 1969 at the age of 30(Federer failed to do that in his prime).

Ken Rosewall won the '72 Australian Open at the age of 37 (highly unlikely Federer will be playing at that age).

Gimeno won the '72 French Open at the age of 34 (unlikely Federer will be playing at that age).

Connors won the '83 U.S. Open at the age of 31.

Gomez won the '90 French Open at the age of 30.

Sampras won the '02 U.S. Open at the age of 31.

Agassi won the '03 Australian Open at the age of 32.

Not a mountain of support for the various victories to be repeated again and again by a player apparently on the downslide, being so rare in over 4 decades of Open tennis.

Since it is beyond question Federer will not continue playing to reach Rosewall's 37yrs, win the Grand Slam at 30 like Laver (AO 2012 just snuffed that out), or win a FO at age 34 like Gimeno, three of the seven can be eliminated, reducing the list to four men.

So, when you say "consistently as good as Federer," what is the criteria for the statement when he's yet to win a major at the age in question, and certainly has no prayer of winning the Grand Slam like Laver at that age?
 
The physical requirements are much greater nowadays. The game has evolved, but the human body has not. Therefore Federer is likely the best 30 year old to ever play the game despite achievements of the past.
 
The physical requirements are much greater nowadays. The game has evolved, but the human body has not. Therefore Federer is likely the best 30 year old to ever play the game despite achievements of the past.

Look at the number of matches and tourneys played by Connors when he was 30 and what Fed has done. Not even close. So the game may be more physical now but those older guys played a lot more matches year round.
 
Look at the number of matches and tourneys played by Connors when he was 30 and what Fed has done. Not even close. So the game may be more physical now but those older guys played a lot more matches year round.

Interesting, and the bottom line of it all is the historical record which easily proved Federer is not the most accomplished 30yr old player.
 
Probably Agassi or Connors. Federer's still pretty consistent but he's only been in his 30's since August, he'd need a few more years of top results to do it for me.

I can't see him doing that though, with two little girls to bring up he'll want to make sure he spends as much time with them as possible. A couple more years but I can't see him going on much longer than 32.
 
What do you think? while most would agree that he is not quite in his prime anymore he is still pretty darn good. he still consistently reaches semi finals of GS tournaments and challenges nadal and novak hard and occasionally beats them (at least always wins sets) like in the WTF last yeat or in roland garros.

was there ever a 30yo player that was consistently as good as federer at this age?

Rod Laver won "The Grand Slam" at 31 in 1969.

Ken Rosewall:
- won the French Open at 33 in 1968,
- won the U.S. Open at 35 in 1970,
- won the Australian Open at 36 in 1971, and at 37 in 1972, and
- got to the Wimbledon and U.S. Open finals against Connors at 39 in 1974.
 
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Rod Laver won "The Grand Slam" at 31 in 1969.

Ken Rosewall:
- won the French Open at 33 in 1968,
- won the U.S. Open at 35 in 1970,
- won the Australian Open at 36 in 1971, and at 37 in 1972, and
- got to the Wimbledon and U.S. Open finals against Connors at 39 in 1974.

That speaks volumes about the field depth in the early 70's.
 
In terms of accomplishments after the age of 30.

Agassi was #1 in the world at 33.

Rod Laver won 38 titles after the age of 30.

THAT, is one hell of an accomplishment. Imagine what Agassi could have done with a healthy back.

PS: According to the ATP site, Laver had 42 ATP recognized titles beginning in 1968, the year Laver turned 30. And Laver played many prestigious non-ATP recognized events before and after he turned 30. For example, the ATP website has only 2 titles for Laver in 1968: Wimbledon and Las Angles. It doesn't acknowledge the other titles he won in 1968 such as the U.S. Pro and the French Pro titles. Bottom line, Laver won an estimated 199 titles in his career, and I would venture a guess that he won at least 60 or more after he turned 30.
 
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Sampras ...the 2 US finals he reached (2002 with a help of a joke draw as well) he was useless. ...
Hang on. I thought the rule here was you're not allowed to say Sampras had anything other than the toughest draws of all time?

Now he had cakewalk draws? We need to recalculate his true slam total using the **** factorial device. :lol:
 
I think Roger is very good for somebody who's played as many matches as he has, non-stop ( as in without missing any year or even a few months due to whatever reasons). It's tough to say if he's the best.
 
I think Roger is very good for somebody who's played as many matches as he has, non-stop ( as in without missing any year or even a few months due to whatever reasons). It's tough to say if he's the best.

In all honesty Roger did not accomplish relatively much after 30: reason being he's still 30. He did more than his fair share before that.

He should not be in this discussion in the first place.
 
Yeah, he's the best.
The game is much more physical than in the past which would leave older generation players gasping for air.

Just take a second and look at what it took to win the AO this year and how high the level of play was for almost 6 hours.


Agassi would probably come in second.
 
Yeah, he's the best.
The game is much more physical than in the past which would leave older generation players gasping for air.

Just take a second and look at what it took to win the AO this year and how high the level of play was for almost 6 hours.


Agassi would probably come in second.
That's highly debatable.
 
:lol: McMurphy, time for your shots!

I can't even begin to describe how pathetic you look, so stuck in the past with these guys who would be maybe top10 today...

Wait, WHAT? So, you admit that they'd at least be top 10 today? That's . . . almost reasonable! You're not as much of a clown as I thought you were. Personally, I think Rosewall would be top 5 today and Laver, top 2. So, we're not so far away.
 
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Agassi comes to mind.

But the greatest 30 year old was Vijay Amritraj. No one compares to that dude. Not even Federer or Laver or Rosewall.
 
AGASSI became better after reaching 30, Fed is the second best player of all time when reaching 30, unless he goes on a tear once again (NOT HAPPENING)
 
Jimmy Connors won 2 USO and 1 Wimbledon past 30...oh¡¡¡ and Rod Laver just won that little thing called Gran Slam, at 31...
 
Hahaha! Do you even know who Ken Rosewall is? A-a-a-ah, stay away from Wikipedia!


Jajaja...although I doubt your efforts to just open up the mind of those high school still wearing pumpers will be any good...they just think anything good,nice or brilliant that ever happened to mankind, MUST HAVE happened after Steve Jobs´s era
 
Yep, and Agassi won a slam at age 32 or 33. Agassi is ahead so far of anything Roger has been able to do at 30+.

Think we need to compare mileage not age. Agassi took a couple of years off. I know it was more like 18-20 months. Connors may not have played as much as a junior, although I have no idea.
 
how bad a suposedly candidate for GOAT(Federer) cannot get into discussion because of such a weak era he´s been fortunate to play¡¡¡ or shall I say unfortunate?

From 1-3 it´s ATP ( but same surfaces, same style, same speed, same matherial...) and from 3 to the rest, it´s WTA¡¡¡¡
 
Honestly I think these threads are pointless. Tennis evolves, things change. I think one of the biggest reasons that the guys from the 70's and before were able to continue winning big titles into their 30's was that Serve and Volley is very much based in skill and feel, which in my opinion are the last things to go, long after the footspeed and quick recovery times.

Nowadays, with the game being more focused on physical domination as opposed to using pure skill on the court, it would be harder to play and win titles to such a late stage.
 
Its a completely different game now, much more physical. A 30 year old today has to play better to keep up, than a 30 year old 15-20+ years ago
 
Hang on. I thought the rule here was you're not allowed to say Sampras had anything other than the toughest draws of all time?

Now he had cakewalk draws? We need to recalculate his true slam total using the **** factorial device. :lol:

Well teenage Roddick in the quarters and Sjeng freaking Schalken in the semis aren't a part of a tough draw, me thinks. Agassi won the 2002 US Open for Pete when he took out Hewitt in the semis.
 
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