Is Federer the fittest athlete ever?

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  1. zep

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    I am dumbfounded by what I have seen this year. Does this guy ever get tired? People used to talk about Nadal and Djokovic's stamina. Federer at 35 seems to have more stamina than Nadal and Djokovic at 30 and 29. Hats off!
     
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    Yep. It seems that he is not only the most talented, but also the most fittest athlete in the history of the sport in general. Amazing coincidence!!!
     
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    Yes, now will this attract the doping accusers?
     
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    Yes, it's incredible in every sense of the word
     
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    To some in this thread (not OP) : you really learn nothing from the salty people that accused Nadal and Djokovic of doping, do you?

    This stuff is like clockwork. Yeah, he's skipping the entire spring clay season because he's fit as a fiddle. Perhaps embarking on another doping cycle.
     
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    No accusation but it is absolutely incredible what he is doing at 35. Have you seen the conditions in Miami? Hot and humid. He played a tight 3 setter against Berdych, next day was able to outlast Kyrgios in over 3 hours and less than day and half later demolishes Nadal. That will be tough for a 25 yo, let alone 35. His fitness trainers should get hefty bonuses.
     
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    Nope. He's the most naturally talented athlete we've had. Murray and Djokovic and even Nadal are much more "fit". Federer is so naturally talented, he doesn't strain as much during his matches because of his fluid movement.
     
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  8. ACE of Hearts

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    Idk about fittest. His game doesn't require alot of physicality.
     
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    He won'tbe playing for 2 more months though, which means he is tired right now.

    The fittest guy ever as you say, chooses to not play on clay.
     
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    This is a bunch of crap. Federer has to run to get to the ball too, and hit the ball, and so on. Sure, Nadal's and Djokovic's game is more effortful. Yet, I've seen both Nadal and Djokovic spent a few times, yet I don't remember Fed ever being too tired.

    Kind of makes you wonder...

    :D
     
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  11. Fedfan34

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    Nah, since there's no evidence, they only risk people pointing to the dominance of their favorite athlete and asking questions that they also cannot fend off by their own standard. We saw 90's Clay implode under application of this tactic yesterday. It works.
     
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    That 6 month injury lay off refreshed Federer and thus, he came back rested.

    But the mileage is starting to catch up to him. So he won't maintain his current level.
     
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    Fed must have access to the sarcophagus from Stargate that the aliens use to regenerate or something. I hear they have one of those on lease at the university of Lausanne.

    ;)
     
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    Cut that BS. Talent or not, tennis is an incredibly physical game. It requires large amount of energy and to do this at 35 is shocking.
     
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    Takes the ball early. It's no coincidence Fed, Connors, and Agassi had the most late-career baseliner success in the (real) Open Era.

    If he were unique, it would and should raise eyebrows. But of course, since top five fixtures who have played a similar game are...hold on and let me do the math...100% in having sustained mid-30's success, you'd have to be a pretty tremendous rube to miss the connection.
     
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    It should.

    People jump to doping and ped accusations when Nadal or Djokovic have feats of stamina similar to this but when it's Federer it becomes "greatest athlete ever, super talented" and it is pretty hypocritical from some people. I don't deny that he is a great player but the way he moves these days does trigger my suspicion a little. Still, we have no proof and probably won't ever have proof so its a moot point.
     
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    From the legions of butt hurt Nadal and Fed fans it will.
     
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    Lol
     
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    Really? Wow. I thought he would be able to go on forever. Or maybe quit now, and come back when he is 43, as then I'm sure he will be even fresher.

    :D
     
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    do u plebers even plays the tennis?

    fed isn't outgrinding anyone, he's blitzing them, playing at a lower work rate than he ever did. best hand-eye-coordination in sports right now, however — possible.
     
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    Doping. Nadal's built up a resistance to the drugs but it's new to Fed's system. (Jk) He is the fittest and smartest tennis player I've seen. Maybe Martina Navratilova was on par with him on women's side.
     
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  22. ACE of Hearts

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    Have you seen how long his games last compared to djokovic or Nadal? He usually wants to end the points quickly . Nadal and djokovic are more counter-punchers!
     
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    LOL, love it when Fed doping is being insinuated. Man if you think Fed's doping, what's your much less talented boy doing! :)
     
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    He is fit however I think his love for the game makes it seem he is even more fit than he is.
    Not sure if that makes sense. lulz.
     
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    WADA should step up, and should step up quickly. Otherwise our whole sport will become even bigger joke, although not that it isn't at this very moment...
     
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    I am just marveling at his never ending source of energy. Would anyone be really surprised if Federer ends up winning the french open?
     
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    He has been tested numerous times and not to mention he has called for more testing. His game's effortless.
     
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    I've never seen anyone use that word before...
    Huh... Learn sumpthin' new everyday.
     
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    Yes because federer hasn't been tested a bunch of times. Quit your crying!
     
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    He looked jaded today but got out of jail by pulling the trigger early and Rafa making some weird errors.
     
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    It doesn't. I'm pretty Robredo, Stepanek and Lopez also have love for the sport, but they aren't winning tournament, after tournament, after tournament, even on lesser level than Masters or 500...
     
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    Amazing isn't it? He doesn't even look that fit compared to some other players. He's outlasting guys much younger than him. Getting quite a lot of juice on his shots which definitely requires a lot of fitness (his bazooka obviously helps quite a lot though).
     
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    Roger is moving like he is 26 again compared to Nadal.

    Roger Federeruh is suffering from "reverse progeria".
     
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    I'm not into the doping conspiracy but it's really surprising for true especially after nearly a year off. Either the ATP tour is extremely weak [which can be a rational explanation] or something weirder is going on but you would not expect someone approaching 40 and who was recognized to be in decline to do such feats.
     
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    Fiterer
     
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  36. tennis_pro

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    This coming from Nadal or Djokovic fans will be hilarious.
     
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    Federer looked tired in the final. Let's not make it look like he's winning 4 hour matches with no days off inbetween. AO/IW/Miami have a 2 week format, he's playing very aggressively so it's not surprising.
     
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    You absolutely have to be fit to maintain that kind of power. He also outlasted Kyrgios a guy much younger than him, who also relies heavily on serve power and smacking his forehand.
     
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    Fed ran less than 1km today lol
     
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    You might be right. He does love tennis tho. Federer has always been about tennis. He does not think about much else.
     
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  41. Sirius Black

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    Kyrgios isn't known for his strict fitness regime, or dedication thereof.
     
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    That's the key. He covered approximately 60% of Nadal's distance in the first set. Not sure about the match. He makes his opponent do the running. Especially now with his strike first offensive tennis inside the baseline.
    Which suits him. Because he needs to play this way. If he were to rally on every point, he wouldn't last, because he's nowhere near as fit as a nadal or a Djokovic.

    Nadal, for example, played 5 hours and had one less day of rest at the Australian, yet showed up to the final running around like a rabbit. That's remarkable and federer can't quite do that. What he can do, however, is shorten his matches by playing aggressively and ending points early.
    And it's done him a world of good through the first 3 months of 2017.
     
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    Wait, who's saying he isn't fit, full stop?

    He didn't outlast Kyrgios, he slightly outdid him in aggressive rallies from the start and throughout and kept cooler on the big points, and therefore won with a small margin in the end
     
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    Well then these mugs need to get it together then if 35 year olds have better fintess than them. The thought of Kyrgios being the future of tennis is absolutely laughable for the same reason.
     
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    Robredo, Stepanek, Lopez, Federer. Reminds me of this:

     
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    Has it been established yet that Federer wins only with talent and his game doesn't need fitness? :rolleyes:
     
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    My autocorrect was flagging it too, so I had to double check. ;)
     
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    He did outlast Kyrgios. Kyrgios blatently looked more tired than him towards the end, which is RIDICULOUS considering their age and mileage. Future of tennis? Yeah right lmao.
     
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    He plays with less effort because he is so technically skilled. He looks like he exerts half the effort of his opponent. Age will take its toll but so will wear and tear, and he just doesn't have as many miles on his 35 year old body as a lot of 30 year olds.
     
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  50. Sirius Black

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    That's poor extrapolation -- one instance of a young guy not being in tip-top shape. I doubt you'd say the same for someone like Thiem.
     
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