Djokovic is a much better hard court player than Nadal, yet Nadal has won it 4 times to Djokovic's 3 times. That's despite Nadal missing the tournament 3 times compared to only 1 time for Djokovic. How has Nadal won more US Opens? I'm confused.
Djokovic is a much better hard court player than Nadal, yet Nadal has won it 4 times to Djokovic's 3 times. That's despite Nadal missing the tournament 3 times compared to only 1 time for Djokovic. How has Nadal won more US Opens? I'm confused.
Djokovic is a much better hard court player than Nadal, yet Nadal has won it 4 times to Djokovic's 3 times. That's despite Nadal missing the tournament 3 times compared to only 1 time for Djokovic. How has Nadal won more US Opens? I'm confused.
Nadal is better in USA hard tour than Djokovic.
4 USO and 5 Canada M1000.
No.
Djokovic
5 = IW
6 = Miami
2 = Cincinnati
4 = Canada
3 = USO
Nadal
3 = IW
0 = Miami
1 = Cincinnati
5 = Canada
4 = USO
Overall it is Djokovic, Nadal doesn't have any wins in Miami. You cannot be better, if you haven't even got all the trophies and your rival does.
Don't forget about 2016, that was a winnable one.Federer v Djokovic at USO = 6 meetings
Federer v Nadal at USO = 0 meetings
Djokovic would have picked up USO 07, 08 and 09 without Federer standing in his way. But, it is what it is.
The stupid 2020 incident is all on Djokovic though.
The Berrettini Open was held in Belgrade recently.You're confusing Berrettini Open with US Open.
USA summer hard tour should have said.
Don't forget about 2016, that was a winnable one.
Federer v Djokovic at USO = 6 meetings
Federer v Nadal at USO = 0 meetings
Djokovic would have picked up USO 07, 08 and 09 without Federer standing in his way. But, it is what it is.
The stupid 2020 incident is all on Djokovic though.
No but it’s a mystery that Djokovic won more Wimbledons since Nadal has a much better slice and is much better at the net. But Djokovic’s luck like a roof with no rain, 40-15, etc. made the difference.
No but it’s a mystery that Djokovic won more Wimbledons since Nadal has a much better slice and is much better at the net. But Djokovic’s luck like a roof with no rain, 40-15, etc. made the difference.
Amen!Federer v Djokovic at USO = 6 meetings
Federer v Nadal at USO = 0 meetings
Djokovic would have picked up USO 07, 08 and 09 without Federer standing in his way. But, it is what it is.
The stupid 2020 incident is all on Djokovic though.
When you multiply with 0 you get 0 so Nadl is out of competition.No.
Djokovic
5 = IW
6 = Miami
2 = Cincinnati
4 = Canada
3 = USO
Nadal
3 = IW
0 = Miami
1 = Cincinnati
5 = Canada
4 = USO
Overall it is Djokovic, Nadal doesn't have any wins in Miami. You cannot be better, if you haven't even got all the trophies and your rival does.
Federer v Djokovic at USO = 6 meetings
Federer v Nadal at USO = 0 meetings
Djokovic would have picked up USO 07, 08 and 09 without Federer standing in his way. But, it is what it is.
The stupid 2020 incident is all on Djokovic though.
2007 and 2009 are heavily debateable if Novak wins both with no Federer.Federer v Djokovic at USO = 6 meetings
Federer v Nadal at USO = 0 meetings
Djokovic would have picked up USO 07, 08 and 09 without Federer standing in his way. But, it is what it is.
The stupid 2020 incident is all on Djokovic though.
It’s not just Fed. Which year Rafa won it could Fed have stopped him? Or if Novak from 07, 08, or 09 played Rafa in the 2010 or 2013 finals, would he have won?
Novak has simply not played as well at the USO as Rafa has, there’s nothing wrong with admitting that. He’s more than made up for it at AO and Wimbledon.
Amen!
2007 and 2009 are heavily debateable that Novak wins both with no Federer.
Del Potro mainly lost to better Djokovic versions even with that tough match when in worst form than USO 2009. Not sure 2009 Djokovic deals with the firepower and if it goes longer i think Del Potro would have fitness edge. I guess fair point on the confidence factor with Roddick but Roddick played a better match vs Federer than Djokovic did in the QF (Federer was in worse from in the F) and it would be tough with the crowd support probably in favour Roddick.Roddick 07 and Del Potro 09 are his rivals then....Considering how in form Novak was in 07, having won Montreal beating Roddick, Nadal and Federer in a row, I'd favor him. And lets be honest, if Federer was tactically sound, he could have put Del Potro away in straights in the USO 2009 final, his arrogance allowed Del Potro to get away with a lot in the match, by trying to take on that forehand. Djokovic is Del Potro's worst match up, he wouldn't play that game with him. So for me, he takes all three with Federer standing in his way.
Ironically, Djokovic fans always forget that when it comes to comparing their Wimbledon competition.Djokovic played peak/prime Federer during that 07-09 run. Most people know post AO 2010 Federer was in decline and post prime. The Federer after that was not the same Federer.
So, I stand by my point, Djokovic had to deal with peak/prime Federer during that 07-09, had he not been around, Djokovic could have had three USO titles before Nadal even had a sniff at his first.
Del Potro mainly lost to better Djokovic versions even with that tough match when in worst form than USO 2009. Not sure 2009 Djokovic deals with the firepower and if it goes longer i think Del Potro would have fitness edge. I guess fair point on the confidence factor with Roddick but Roddick played a better match vs Federer than Djokovic did in the QF (Federer was in worse from in the F) and it would be tough with the crowd support probably in favour Roddick.
Ironically, Djokovic fans always forget that when it comes to comparing their Wimbledon competition.
Lol, Del Potro was 3-0 down in head to head against 2017 Djokovic.Del Potro mainly lost to better Djokovic versions even with that tough match when in worst form than USO 2009. Not sure 2009 Djokovic deals with the firepower and if it goes longer i think Del Potro would have fitness edge. I guess fair point on the confidence factor with Roddick but Roddick played a better match vs Federer than Djokovic did in the QF (Federer was in worse from in the F) and it would be tough with the crowd support probably in favour Roddick.
Look, you know where I personally stand on this.
Federer AO 2010 - End of prime
Nadal AO 2014 - End of prime
Djokovic RG 2016 - End of prime
Haven't change that view.
When was the beginning of their prime in your view? Federer was obviously TMC 2003, What about Nadal and Djokovic?
Del Potro did worse vs Djokovic but quite a few matches closer to Djokovic prime period. I agree that Federer playing better should have probably ended Del Potro in 4 sets. Fair enough i guess i was underselling the chances Djokovic had i guess you could make cases both ways.Do you agree that if Federer had actually played the match the way he should have, he would have put Del Potro down in straights or at worst four sets. Do you really think Djokovic was going to dare to play the game of going into Del Potro's forehand time and time again, when his bread and butter tactic against Del Potro has always been the BH CC, followed up the BH DTL? The match up does not favor Del Potro, Del Potro matches up a lot better against Federer because of the way both try to focus on the forehand.
Roddick did play a good match against Federer, I never said he didn't, it was one of the highest quality matches they played against each other, but I go back to my point that I felt Djokovic had serious momentum on his side, had beaten world number 3 2 1 in a row, including giving peak Federer his first loss in a non-clay final at a big event since Nalbandian in TMC, and even then Federer was nursing an ankle injury. I can't give this one to Roddick personally, Djokovic looked like he was only going to be stopped by Federer IMO.
Djokovic played peak/prime Federer during that 07-09 run. Most people know post AO 2010 Federer was in decline and post prime. The Federer after that was not the same Federer.
So, I stand by my point, Djokovic had to deal with peak/prime Federer during that 07-09, had he not been around, Djokovic could have had three USO titles before Nadal even had a sniff at his first.
Del Potro did worse vs Djokovic but quite a few matches closer to Djokovic prime period. I agree that Federer playing better should have probably ended Del Potro in 4 sets. Fair enough i guess i was underselling the chances Djokovic had i guess you could make cases both ways.
Fair enough i feel as if Federer was still playing well overall even so and not sure if Novak at that stage could deal with the firepower but maybe because Djokovic does match up well with Del Potro.Lets be honest here, it doesn't matter if you are Federer, Nadal or Djokovic, you just don't play chicken with Del Potro's forehand, you're going to lose. Federer was trying to show his forehand was bigger, he should have been more focused on winning the match.
Yes but that Novak wasn’t good enough to beat Rafa in either of the finals he lost to him either. The problem wasn’t Fed, it was Novak’s level.
Novak entered his prime in 2011 after Fed exited his, so it’s a bit bizarre to be using Fed as an excuse. Novak has had over a decade now to win the USO without peak Fed.
Fair enough i feel as if Federer was still playing well overall even so and not sure if Novak at that stage could deal with the firepower but maybe because Djokovic does match up well with Del Potro.
You know, Nadal also faced strong opponents in the 2008 and 2009 semifinals. And had he won he would have to face Federer.You're still failing to see what I am saying here. I said Djokovic had to deal with prime/peak Federer from 07-09, Nadal didn't have to deal with prime/peak Federer ever at the USO, because during that time, Nadal wasn't making the finals.
Had Djokovic not faced peak/prime Federer, he could have already been sitting on 3 USO titles BEFORE Nadal even won his first one. Unlike Nadal who only dealt with Djokovic, Djokovic dealt with peak/prime versions of Nadal and Federer.
So, not it is not a bizarre excuse, it is straight forward.
Had Djokovic ONLY faced Federer from 2010 onwards, your point holds water, but he also faced him when Federer was the undisputed king of USO, Nadal never did that. I;ve already made my case on why Novak was winning those titles, and to me he was prime.
You're still failing to see what I am saying here. I said Djokovic had to deal with prime/peak Federer from 07-09, Nadal didn't have to deal with prime/peak Federer ever at the USO, because during that time, Nadal wasn't making the finals.
Had Djokovic not faced peak/prime Federer, he could have already been sitting on 3 USO titles BEFORE Nadal even won his first one. Unlike Nadal who only dealt with Djokovic, Djokovic dealt with peak/prime versions of Nadal and Federer.
So, not it is not a bizarre excuse, it is straight forward.
Had Djokovic ONLY faced Federer from 2010 onwards, your point holds water, but he also faced him when Federer was the undisputed king of USO, Nadal never did that. I;ve already made my case on why Novak was winning those titles, and to me he was prime.
You know, Nadal also faced strong opponents in the 2008 and 2009 semifinals. And had he won he would have to face Federer.
Novak was prime in 2007? You’re about the only person I’ve ever heard say that...
I could equally make a case that if Murray or Del Po didn’t peak in those 08 and 09 matches against him, he could’ve won against Fed in those finals. I know Fed fans were much happier to see who they did in those finals at the time. But what happened, happened.
I’ve heard exactly the excuses you are making. There are always excuses, but the truth is Novak has just not played as well at the USO overall as Rafa. It’s pretty simple.
Djokovic would underlook Del Potro like Federer did but his game was not in the same place it was in later year and Del Potro in 2009 actually had a pretty good BH probably his best year of hitting on that wing.Federer was playing well overall, I am not saying Federer started to suck, I am saying Federer made stupid tactical decisions, where he focused on hitting to Del Potro's forehand and it made no sense whatsoever for him to play that way. It was like he was stubborn in thinking - I'm going to beat this guy at his own game - Instead of using everything else he had in his arsenal to hurt Del Potro, such as the short cross court slice.
Novak isn't going to play chicken with Del Potro, because he doesn't have the forehand for it anyway, he would focus on what he always does against him, pin him into his backhand corner and take the forehand out. Federer lost because of his arrogance really, which is why he regrets that match so much.
Djokovic would underlook Del Potro like Federer did but his game was not in the same place it was in later year and Del Potro in 2009 actually had a pretty good BH probably his best year of hitting on that wing.
Anyway slight disagree but i see the points you make.
Nadal is the GOAT#2Djokovic is the best second-place finisher of all time at the USO. Kudos to him.