Is it harder to lose weight the closer you get to your ideal weight?

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  1. J011yroger

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    Logically it seems like if you were 50lbs overweight the first 10 would be easier to lose than the last 10, as that seems to be the rule with most things in life, but I'm not sure.

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    Yes the more fat you carry/the more you weigh the easier it is to lose weight/fat.
     
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    In addition, if you are successful in losing "the last 10 lbs" and reach your "ideal weight", it will be VERY hard to keep them off.
     
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    basal metabolic rate tends to decline as body weight declines, so it becomes harder to lose weight.
     
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    Eat less calories and exercise the same amount. Works for me. Actually, I try to skip heavy dinners and go light with just a desert and maybe a steamed vegetable.
     
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    How do you know what your "ideal" weight is?
    I"m 5'10" and some change, very small bones, tiny wrist, average ankles, since 10.5 shoes, and until 35 year's of age, weighed mostly 132. At 35, ballooned to 150, have bounced up and down from there for over 30 year's, now settling on 150 again. Fat tire around mid section, little muscle mass, and not very solid.
    If I dropped back to my end of summer weight of 142, I find I don't hit the ball as hard, or need to swing harder to keep up the pace.
    When I weighed 180, I hit pretty solid, but moved like a cow.
     
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    Wait until you get over 50 like me. Regardless of the sport or age, you need to hit the weight room, but me smart about it.
     
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    ??????
    Huh? I'm 68.
     
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    Your ideal weight would be based on your height and weight (BMI) but also your bone structure and body-frame.

    If you are slightly overweight on the BMI scale but have thick bones and a wide frame -- chances are you're already at your 'ideal' weight. But from the sounds of things your body isn't hard, it is soft -- which means you need to do some training to toughen up. But at your age that happens naturally anyway, I can't think of many 65+ year old's with great bodies although there are a few.
     
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    I mean ideal for you. I think I like to be more lean than most would say was ideal.

    At 6'3" on a good day I feel gross over 185, ok under 180, and under 175 I can start to see veins in my abs.

    I'd say my ideal playing weight is 175, used to be 165 in my mid 20s but I have put on some muscle since then.

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    Still wonder what my "ideal" weight is.....
    I'm losing tons of muscle at age 68 now.
    At 150, kinda big spare tire around the mid section, and bulging tummy. Guess that means I should lose some weight...no muscle, some fat.
    But weighing 140 is not conducive to hard hitting, going fast on a windsurf board, or satisfying the hunger urge.
     
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    You need to tone up, not lose weight.
     
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    Goodness, you must have really tiny bones...

    At bearly 6', I'm a bit over at 185. When, in my late 30', I dropped below 170, I felt unwell and people who knew me wanted to send me to doctor.
    With this muscle mass distribution, I should probably be about 178. If I bothered to develop arms and shoulders a bit more, I could probably carry 190 without looking over...

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    I would define ideal weight as what you weigh when you're not trying to gain or lose weight basically you just eat based off how you feel. That works for me but I get that some people will over eat so it's not a foolproof test or method for determining your ideal weight
     
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    "Eating when you're hungry" is what I've heard a lot -- and by definition that's what you have just said. It works for a lot of people, but then there are people who have issues with knowing just when they are full and as you've already pointed out, overeat.
     
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    My wrists are on the small side, but I wouldn't say I was delicate.

    Lightest ever distance running weight was 155, but I was 23ish and working out 5 days a week and running 3.

    Bulked up to 165 to play tennis when I started again and somewhere in the last 10 years 165 became 175.

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    My problem is that I eat when I am bored. I also like beer and wings.

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    I eat on cold days, most winters of course, so usually start off April weighing in around 160.
    This year, trying hard to stay on track, still 150, always hungry, but the cure is....don't have any money around to buy any food.
     
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    I've touched 160... trying to get back to 150! Easier said than done because my wife keeps buying all this stuff that's so tasty, I can't keep off it! Oh well... it is what it is...
     
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    BMI is pretty much the last metric you should be using!
     
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    Which is why I pretty much said the same thing in my post. BMI gives you a rough idea of where you should be and you need to work the rest out on your own. Everyone has a different body type/shape so the BMI scale isn't really reliable all in all.
     
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    Really?
     
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    Of course there are some people that have added enough actual muscle to their body to make BMI inaccurate to the point of not being useful.

    To find your ideal weight, use an accurate body fat test. And I'd be willing to bet that many guys who think they are really muscular are actually higher bodyfat than they think (making BMI more useful for them than they think).
     
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    I'd say that it becomes exponentially harder as you drop weight.
     
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    It depends on what you consider ideal weight is. I'm about 12-13 percent body fat and getting there was easy. Getting to below 10 percent(6 pack) is hard without some serious sacrifice.
     
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    The last 10lbs is certainly harder.
    In truth if you can get within 10lbs and maintain that longterm you are doing great.
     
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    gonna highlight this because this is the answer!

    when i dropped from 205 to 155 i was at ~12% body fat. it was extremely difficult (never made it) for me to get to say 6% body fat (ie literally fighting weight; abs showing; etc,...)

    i hang out with a bunch of competitors that have to cut weight to compete (body builders and grapplers, amateur mma competitors), and they all say that the last 10lbs they have to go extremes to lose the weight,... extreme caloric deficit (because basal metabolic rate is low) through sparse eating and increased cardio (a lot of bland salads, chicken, and drinking water)

    that's why fighters (i.e. ufc) will weigh in looking ripped, but their walk around weight is like 20lbs heavier, because it's so difficult to maintain on a daily basis (arguably not healthy to do for long periods given rigors of training)

    folks on here saying that losing the last 10lbs is the same as the first 10, have never done it before.
     
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    agreed, bmi is crap for athletes. even when i was hovering ~12% body fat, just finished a marathon, running a 5:25 mile,... etc,.... i was considered overweight according to bmi (i'm short, muscular/stocky)
     
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    I wouldn't say it's crap, but it's incomplete. Even though you are are 12 percent body fat, your organs like heart don't know the difference between 10 pounds of fat vs muscle. It still has to pump the same amount of blood and support the same amount of mass. For life longevity, being thin is beneficial. There is a difference between fitness and health. We strive for both and you can be one without the other.
     
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    agree incomplete is a better term,.. i've found it inaccurate for me...
     
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    Fighters work out harder than tennis players. Their lives are on the line. They lose weight, spit out water, jump rope, spar, run hills, run with plastic bags on, or risk, dying. Those tennis players who would rather die than lose, do the same.
     
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    The short answer is Yes, but a lot depends on your strategy.
    The thing is that many people these days will try to reduce their carbs and increase protein and in the early stages of this method, you will lose a lot of water, which is why you may weigh 5 kg's less in a short time. The problem with this strategy however is that over time it's difficult to sustain. Eventually low carb will mean less energy to exercise and your brain might get agitated as well so eventually you may end up breaking the diet hence the difficulty losing more weight. The other issue with these diets is that the high protein puts more strain on the kidneys which is probably not a good thing if you are suceptable to high blood pressure for instance.
    Probably the best approach is s gradual more lifestyle approach of plant based diet (Mediterranean or even the DASH diet) which can be done life long. It may take longer to reach your goals at first but later on it will pay dividends and you may live longer as well.
     
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    I'll be 67 next month and have always been athletic. Five years ago, my weight was too high. I know that because I was uncomfortable doing basic things that were ordinarily easy. I decided to both diet and increase my exercise level. I started biking 40+ miles a week and severely decreased my food intake, eating no wasted calories. I should preface this with the fact that I love to eat, and tend to eat a lot. Anyway - in two weeks, I lost 20 lbs. In four months, I lost 40 lbs. In 6 months, I lost 65 lbs and have kept it all off for five years. I also come from a family with a history of heart disease. Both of my brothers and my father died when they were much younger than I am now. Yes, the pounds came off easier at first. But if you keep the calories down, you can't help but lose weight. For me, protein is great. It keeps me from being hungry and I have no adverse health issues eating meat, even red meat. Same with fat. Full fat yoghurt is much better for you than non fat. The non fat milk solids are processed in a way that makes them really horrible for your health. Just don't overdo it. I found hard boiled eggs to be really helpful when losing weight. In terms of knowing your ideal weight, your body will give you the feedback. Every morning, I have a shake with plant based protein, frozen organic fruit, a banana and about 20 ounces of water. That's been key for me maintaining my weight.


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    Love these success stories.
     
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    Thanks. I'm playing so better tennis than I did when I was 46 and was my club champ. I played in The Harlem Tennis League, last year. It was advertised as a 5.0 but it really was 4.0, in my opinion. It was odd playing with people over 40 years younger than me. I never felt like I was out of a match and made the playoffs, but couldn't participate because of my schedule.


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    I think 6' 3'' 185 makes you the envy of many guys on this forum. :p
     
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    I would say for me, not so hard once you do it a few times. The secret is knowing what it takes to get there, then I can replicate it again. For reference, I've been measured by a health professional at 10% body fat. It was one of those electronic gizmo thingies.

    Honestly for me, it is harder to gain weight. When i was bulking, my waist ballooned up to 33+. Then I cut it down slowly to 30, and it stayed there. Eventually, down to 29.5. After a few months, I couldn't go any lower. Then by accident, a made a minor change for health reasons and had given up cutting further. After the change, I was surprised at my monthly weigh in that my waist was down an inch. Not sure what my bf was at this point, but definitely lower than when I got measured by the health professional.
     
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    I agree it would be harder the closer you get to your ideal weight if you keep doing the same regime/approach...But if you also change it a bit (i.e. what worked for me was going to Europe, where the food is different and hike or just walk a lot, besides tennis and regular training).
     
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    I am considered overweight myself, but have the "ideal" waist measurement. Someone of my height should be about 190 pounds or so and I am 210. I don't have much fat on me either, I haven't done the clamp test but I doubt I have a huge amount of body-fat given I have to grab my arms/legs to even feel fat. Most of it is muscular tissue.

    I lift weights and eat a lot, but also do a lot of walking (long distances). I am not an athlete but I would say I am pretty fit.

    BMI is just good for determining where abouts you should be, not EXACTLY what you should be. It also depends on lifestyle, body type, etc. There are quite a lot of variants.
     
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    If someone does nothing and is 220 but should be about 180 or 190, they most likely have excess body-fat that needs to be shed.
     
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    BMI is crap for" athletes" but hardly anyone who play tennis qualifies as an athlete - sorry man. Its' perfectly fine for tennis players. For example..

    Player with ideal body weight in tennis - perhaps the best 'body' for a pro is Monfils. Monfils is 6'4" and 176 pounds. That's a BMI of 21.4. Most pro male tennis players have a BMI under 25 (almost all actually). The reason why this works so well is believe it or not - people carry a certain muscle mass relative to their frame. So if they are much over a certain weight at certain height - that's almost always mostly fat. And even combined with some additional muscle that's not beneficial for tennis players.

    Now some will counter - but guys can lift. So it can be all muscle! ...Not really. We can calculate the max muscle that a natural lifter - even genetically gifted - might have - and its surprisingly low. You can tweak this a bit by gaining alot of muscle and fat - and then 'cutting' and hoping to preserve more muscle then someone your weight would normally carry. And this can work - a little but its not something tennis players can or should do..

    People here don't really want to believe it but in many other sports the outliers are using chemical help. With the help of drugs its possible to carry a great deal more muscle.. But thinking that BMI doesn't work for 'rec' players because of this is folly.
     
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